Over-the-counter methods of decreasing testosterone

[VicistiGalilaee (imported)]

Any thoughts on this? I tried progesterone cream in the past but its effects were marginal. I am trying to decrease testosterone in order to get rid of my sex drive, as readers might have guessed from my previous threads.

[moi621 (imported)]

Lots of licorice.

Go ahead, do the search.

Make sure it doesn't bottom out your potassium.

Moi

[Frida G Cavic (imported)]

I suggesst you asking for Prometrium or Provera(pills) they are not certainly available over the counter but you can get them without a prescription Isn´t It? Correct me If I´m wrong.

In my country prescription is not the problem I got my depo provera and andrcour easily I only had to go to pharmacy, ask and pay for them and that was all!!!! The real problem here is the MONEY, many antiandrogens and oncological drugs are extremely EXPENSIVE. Very few people can afford a decent and medically supervised transgender treatment. Public Inssurance even doesn´t cover such treatments only is covered in some rich cities and in private institutions.

Oestrogel Would be another option, but would develop feminization and you would need a lot of gel applications for many time.

[Obscuron (imported)]

I'm taking licorice right now and it does seem to be helping, but it isn't comparable to a real andro-blocker. There was a fairly high profile study in Italy a few years back in which they administered a fairly big dose and the average decrease in T was around 20%. Not negligible, but certainly not going to get you to castration levels.

Licorice is available on Amazon and is pretty affordable, especially if you do the subscribe and save thing. You do need to watch for possible side effects, especially high blood pressure and potassium depletion. I take mine with Reishi (which lowers high blood pressure and is another mild anti-androgen) and a potassium supplement.

I also try to cook a low-testosterone diet (more soy, less meat, and other herbs like spearmint and green tea that seem to lower testosterone), and I avoid ejaculating or exercise that would tend to increase muscle mass. I would say that I have probably gotten my T pretty low since I have started this regimen, certainly at the bottom of the normal range of a man my age. But as soon as I get my insurance to cover a real andro blocker I'm going to switch to that and not look back.

[paring (imported)]

Any thoughts on this? I tried progesterone cream in the past but its effects were marginal. I am trying to decrease testosterone in order to get rid of my sex drive, as readers might have guessed from my previous threads.

Progesterone cream is an anti estrogen, it stops the transformation (aromatase) of testosterone into estrogen, so it'll maintain T level higher. Higher T level will also prevent the transformation of testosterone (when it is too low) into DHT (known to cause hair lost and BPH). Progesterone is produced by the gonads of males and females in about same amount. So for a man with low T, progesterone cream will only help to increase his T level.

Among all natural products sold over the counter, without prescription, only Saw Palmetto is known to be as efficient as "finasteride", a chemical anti androgen, to lower T level. None of the other natural products have shown to be efficient to lower T level.

Saw Palmetto (or finasteride) may not be as powerful as Androcur but it works. I know, I have used this product for 8 years.

[Obscuron (imported)]

Among all natural products sold over the counter, without prescription, only Saw Palmetto is known to be as efficient as "finasteride", a chemical anti androgen, to lower T level. None of the other natural products have shown to be efficient to lower T level.

Saw Palmetto (or finasteride) may not be as powerful as Androcur but it works. I know, I have used this product for 8 years.

Paring, what sort of dose are you taking?

[paring (imported)]

Paring, what sort of dose are you taking?

I used 4 x 360 mg. a day, this was enough to make me impotent, the maximum recommended is 8. Needless to be at castration level to be impotent, the lower your T level will be, the stronger the side effects will be. As usual, you milage may vary. Depending on health, age, natural T level and testicles sizes you may need more or less.

[experiment (imported)]

paring, I am not certain about the dosage size suggested. I see the recommended dosage for finasteride on some sites is 5mg once a day? Are there different types of pills or are you taking Saw Palmetto which is causing my confussion?

[paring (imported)]

paring, I am not certain about the dosage size suggested. I see the recommended dosage for finasteride on some sites is 5mg once a day? Are there different types of pills or are you taking Saw Palmetto which is causing my confussion?

Finasteride is a chemical anti androgen prescribed by doctor for hair lost like Propecia which is 1 mg, also used for BPH at 5 mg and for prostate cancer at 10 mg.

Saw Palmetto is a natural product, sold over the counter without prescription, for hair lost problem and BPH. Studies have proven that Saw palmetto acts just like finasteride. It's mostly sold in 2 formats 160 mg and 360 mg. It is just a matter of finding the right amount to induce castration.

Even Propecia can induce castration. Lot of men complain about it. Some other natural products pretend to lower T level but no studies have ever proven w/o doubt that they work.

[VicistiGalilaee (imported)]

I'm taking licorice right now and it does seem to be helping, but it isn't comparable to a real andro-blocker. There was a fairly high profile study in Italy a few years back in which they administered a fairly big dose and the average decrease in T was around 20%. Not negligible, but certainly not going to get you to castration levels.

Licorice is available on Amazon and is pretty affordable, especially if you do the subscribe and save thing. You do need to watch for possible side effects, especially high blood pressure and potassium depletion. I take mine with Reishi (which lowers high blood pressure and is another mild anti-androgen) and a potassium supplement.

I also try to cook a low-testosterone diet (more soy, less meat, and other herbs like spearmint and green tea that seem to lower testosterone), and I avoid ejaculating or exercise that would tend to increase muscle mass. I would say that I have probably gotten my T pretty low since I have started this regimen, certainly at the bottom of the normal range of a man my age. But as soon as I get my insurance to cover a real andro blocker I'm going to switch to that and not look back.

How do you get someone to prescribe you a real andro blocker?

[VicistiGalilaee (imported)]

Is finasteride available OTC in America?

[kristoff]

Is finasteride available OTC in America?

No. It requires a prescription.

You can obtain anti-androgens through on-line pharmacies without prescriptions.

[Obscuron (imported)]

How do you get someone to prescribe you a real andro blocker?

In California they have passed a law that says an insurance company has to cover anything for transgender patients that they would for cisgender patients, as long as it is medically necessary. Since my HMO covers androgen blockers for things like enlarged prostates and cancer, they are also required to cover it for gender dysphoria. The trick, of course, will be to convince them that I actually have gender dysphoria so the diagnosis is officially in my file. I just changed to a new primary care doctor who has a reputation for being an LGBT ally and being open minded about alternative lifestyles, but I haven't been in to see her yet. Wish me luck.

If they prescribe the medicine then all I need to worry about is the $10 copay for a month's supply.

[JessicaH (imported)]

Please be aware that taking high levels of herbs can be very dangerous and the amount needed to have an effect can easily get into that danger zone. Don't take this as medical advice but you would probably save a ot of money and be safer to just buy the real stuff online at somewhere like www.alldaychemist.com.

http://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorder ... ver-damage

[VicistiGalilaee (imported)]

I used 4 x 360 mg. a day, this was enough to make me impotent, the maximum recommended is 8. Needless to be at castration level to be impotent, the lower your T level will be, the stronger the side effects will be. As usual, you milage may vary. Depending on health, age, natural T level and testicles sizes you may need more or less.

How long did it take for its effects to show up, and how do you know it's as effective as finasteride? Have you gotten testosterone tests done? I'm very interested in this. I just checked my local health food store and they have saw palmetto.

[VicistiGalilaee (imported)]

Please be aware that taking high levels of herbs can be very dangerous and the amount needed to have an effect can easily get into that danger zone. Don't take this as medical advice but you would probably save a ot of money and be safer to just buy the real stuff online at somewhere like www.alldaychemist.com.

http://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorder ... ver-damage

Duly noted. It's definitely something I'll approach with care, but do you know of any studies that have demonstrated that the amount you'd need to produce an effect would be dangerous with saw palmetto?

[daifu-orchid (imported)]

I think that JessicaN is right; there are better ways to do this. Too much pharma-plus-fiber -not to mention the liquorice already mentioned- and you'd be spending your day squittering your bowels out, without any fun at all?

[_g (imported)]

You must remember that as with all drugs the effects will very, but with herbs it will very greatly.

_g

[JessicaH (imported)]

If you REALLY want to shut down DHT, buy generic dutusteride. It works way better than finasteride as it shuts down two of the 5HTP pathways versus one. It is about 80-85% effective with one mg a day. Beware though that any of these products that shut down DHT production can have long term side effects. http://www.alldaychemist.com/veltam-plus.html

[VicistiGalilaee (imported)]

If you REALLY want to shut down DHT, buy generic dutusteride. It works way better than finasteride as it shuts down two of the 5HTP pathways versus one. It is about 80-85% effective with one mg a day. Beware though that any of these products that shut down DHT production can have long term side effects. http://www.alldaychemist.com/veltam-plus.html

Is it over the counter?

[JessicaH (imported)]

It's not in the US but you don't need a script for that website.