A GF's dilemma.

[FianceeUvBigGuy (imported)]

Yoli here!

I'm not certain as to WHERE to post this, so if the almighty, omni-impotent, super-sweet, mod gods need to move it that's fine. Just leave a hand-scribbled note on my computer screen as to where look for it, 'K?

Here goes...

One of the members of KiKaKo (The rather private Kinky Kastration Koven of which I am President Emeritus and currently Sergeant at Arms)

has a "situation" some here might offer an opinion on.

She is a nice person, late 30-ish, not a beauty but attractive and with an amazing figure despite having popped two pups (I learned THAT terminology from the ranch foreman.) She is married to a seemingly nice man who has no idea that she's every bit so fascinated by castration as is La Yoli and had been since before their nuptials. He earns a great living, is nice-looking, and generally spoils her semi-rotten. The kids are in their early teens and are well-mannered good kids. So what's the beef?

Like many women, her >^..^<, though highly responsive (and delicious...trust me,) is one of those where a bit of both labia minora are exposed 24/7.

To my eye that's fine, and the two tidy tabs are where I like to begin, if you get my drift, when demonstrating my Sapphic talents. Hubby Dearest, on the other paw, thinks she should spread 'em for one of the better-known cosmetic surgeons here in town so that these little love tabs can be excised, leaving her >^..^< looking "less experienced" and more like my tight little bivalve mollusk (See: Plump Widdle Clam.) She is horrified by the thought (so am I!) and says that she doesn't want to give up the pleasure they afford.

Last evening, over her third toddy, she said she had a feeling that lying down and exposing her privates for such an operation would equate to some sort of symbolic castration in retribution for both her castration interest so well as her outside-marriage fun and games with me, a couple of other girls in the KiKaKo, and Barry T. Eunuch.

Mind you, I don't espouse marital infidelity ('cept when it involves BigGuy, me, AND his lovely bride all a-pile in a happy heap.) Still, I made it clear to her that having a cosmetic procedure and "castration" are two separate matters indeed. If SHE chooses to grant his wish, then it's NOT punishment, especially since he is, and will remain (I hope) totally unaware that she is bisexual and has had sex with other women AND a eunuch.

She doesn't WANT to do this, not even to please him.

So, being ever the devious and inventive girl, I came up with a plan. Awww, admit it. You just KNEW I would. Here 'tis...

Y'see, I've seen pictures and one short vid of them doing the dirty deed, and OUTDOORS at that. It's readily apparent that hubby has a nice big peepee and that it's not circumsized...and therein lies the trump card.

She's mentioned that he loves impromptu BJs, such as when they're on the water, tromping about the fields and forest, on the road, etc. However, since he's not trimmed there is often an offensive odor. Let's not get into detail save to say that more than once she's been a member of the sorority called Smelta Smegma Pi. Yukko!

When he's all clean and sweet she loves performing oral on him and he's never figured out just WHY she pays so much attention to the orbs 'neath his peepee (or above if he's doing a handstand at the time) So, here's the dealio she's gonna offer him; "I'll have my >^..^< trimmed if your gets the SAME treatment." If he agrees (Phat Chantz!) then she's happy to go for it. If he doesn't, well, not only will she keep her two tiny pull-tabs but he gets NO MORE BJs unless he's squeaky clean...no matter how urgent his need.

And...HE has to undergo 'cision before SHE hops onto the operating table.

It took me all of 3.68 seconds to hatch that plot. Whaddya think, dear friends?

On a related note (C Sharp, in fact.); I went for my regular ek-chay up-yay last week, the one where I get to show my Gyn. type my treasure. She has a new nurse and I happened to be looking right at her when my little ussy-pay was exposed to view. I solemnly swear, that nurse's eyes widened and she LICKED HER LIPS ever so slightly when she got her first glance. I'm currently in Shaved Mode and she seemed to be really (and rather unprofessionally) taken by the sight. Not that I mind, mind you, and I think I'm going to find a way to begin an exploratory conversation with her. She's in her late 20s, I'd guess, about 5'4", brunette, and is wonderfully and ever-so-slightly chubby. Mmmmmmm...A perfect cold weather companion. Ash(leigh) is gonna roll her eyes and say "Good Grief, Yoli! Another one?" To which Yoli will reply, and truthfully, "Ash, you are always Number One, but if this works out I suspect you'll get a share."

Now, whether or not I'll be able to discern the newbie's suitability for KiKaKo membership is quite another matter. Extreme caution is dictated here.

Time for your meds, Yoli. OK...MORE KAWFEE!(and another bear claw too!)

Love to all, with no exceptions.

Yoli

Your Christmas Elfette in San Antonio (That's in Texiz, don'tcha kneaux?)

Pee?Yess!!: In case you are not aware (Shame on you!) my beloved Sooners of Oklahoma U. will represent the Big12 South in the LargeDozen Championship Game, v. the Tiggers of The U. of Misery, North Division Champs. The game is to be played, in arctic conditions, no doubt, at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas Ceety and I WILL BE THERE! If we win that one we are virtually a lock to play for the National C'Ship in the Orange Bowl Game...dat's in Myammy, BTW.

As the camera pans the crowd next Sat. look for what seems to be a shivering but adorable Eskimo (Eskimette?) That'll prolly be your Yoli. Ash(leigh) may attend as well, so use the tall blonde as a reference point.

We leave on Thursday, will spend Thursday night with friends in Norman OK, (home of OU!), drive the rest of the way and party our adorable hineys off Friday night in KC, attend the game, party (or mourn) some more, recover on Sunday, then drive back on Monday and Tuesday (or fly back on Monday if there's some issue at the office.)

My prediction: OU 47 Misery 24. If you saw what we did to OSWhom (Okie State, AKA Okie Lite) last Saturday you'll understand my confident attitude (61-41 it was!)

Why are my PeeYesses longer than my topic posts? Well, it's just that I hate to leave you:)

Yo'

Now, will you all join hands and voice in singing "Boomer Sooner"? Amen.

[Arab Nights (imported)]

This will work.

We have a running two-for-one joke. Perhaps they need a 2-4 agreement (maybe without even being too specific on his part! Afterall, Mexico is not far.

[Batman (imported)]

IMHO,

It shouldn't be up for discussion in the 1st place. Plastic Surgery shouldn't EVER be done to please someone else. Even if he agrees, she won't be happy in the long run...of course if he goes first and then she chickens out...she can make it up to him with lots and lots of BJ's I suppose...

Batman

[Hash (imported)]

Why not have her "come out of the closet" and admit her desires and impulses to her husband with you by her side. Have her tell him that she likes her pull tabs and will not part with them but would be willing to involve him with your group if he wants. From what you've said about him, I think he might be willing to try something new and that might get his mind off of her having plastic surgery. It's psychology, to divert one's attention from something that they're focused on, introduce something that they might like even more, something more wonderful or more titillating. What man could resist you Yoli?

[ramses (imported)]

I find the whole idea of triming labia, just dreadful. They are so beautiful and the bigger, the better. Why would someone want to make them smaller? It's just CRAZY...

[Batman (imported)]

I find the whole idea of triming labia, just dreadful. They are so beautiful and the bigger, the better. Why would someone want to make them smaller? It's just CRAZY...

I couldn't agree with you more Ramses! Maybe he should have to sit through the Vagina monologues.

I still maintain you should NEVER have plastic surgery to make someone else happy. If you are happy with how you are/look, and you change it for someone else's tastes YOU won't be happy anymore. What happens if they divorce in the future?

I guess my point is that it doesn't matter whether anyone thinks her labia are too big except for the OWNER of the labia (or breasts, nose, ears, tummy..etc)

You ONLY do it for yourself, not someone else.

Batman

P.S. I'm sorry for being redundant, it just makes me mad.

[punkypink (imported)]

I couldn't agree with you more Ramses! Maybe he should have to sit through the Vagina monologues.

I still maintain you should NEVER have plastic surgery to make someone else happy. If you are happy with how you are/look, and you change it for someone else's tastes YOU won't be happy anymore. What happens if they divorce in the future?

I guess my point is that it doesn't matter whether anyone thinks her labia are too big except for the OWNER of the labia (or breasts, nose, ears, tummy..etc)

You ONLY do it for yourself, not someone else.

Batman

P.S. I'm sorry for being redundant, it just makes me mad.

playing devil's advocate here.

what you've said is all very well, a noble sentiment and all that, but what if someone gets their joy, their satisfaction, their inner peace from changing it for someone else's taste?

Lets mince no words here, the eunch.org community is very strongly tied to the bdsm community, and one strong aspect of bdsm is to be changed, against one's will, to suit the will of the dominant one. And inherently, twisted as it may be, many subs do derive a sense of satisfaction from that, even though they may have been changed unwillingly.

So CAN we still strongly say "you do it for yourself and no one else" especially on a board like this, or should we consider that things are not so simple, and that on eunuch.org, there really isn't a pedestal anyone can stand on?

[Uncle Flo (imported)]

Ms Pink has a point. --FLO--

[Batman (imported)]

playing devil's advocate here.

So CAN we still strongly say "you do it for yourself and no one else" especially on a board like this, or should we consider that things are not so simple, and that on eunuch.org, there really isn't a pedestal anyone can stand on?

In THIS case Yoli said the woman in question doesn't want to have it done. She also didn't indicate a BDSM situation exists between the couple. I would also point out in a master/slave relationship she would be ordered to have it done vs being asked to have it done. I didn't think the fact that Yoli asked on eunuch.org was relevant other than asking for other's opinions and she has people here who listen and like her.

I was thinking in terms of the 'regular' for lack of a better word world at large. I'm not personally into the BDSM scene so in that context I guess I don't have a strong opinion what a submissive should do. I just think permanent alterations should be wanted, and in this case they clearly are not wanted.

Batman

[I Worship Women (imported)]

It is her body, her decision. If she doesn't want to have her "tabs" trimmed then that's her decision, end of story.

About her husband and the bj's and getting circed. Her mouth is also part of her body. She has the right to demand that his "area in question" be kept "properly cleaned" and she has the right to refuse to "do it" if the area is not properly clean. I don't know if she has the right to demand that he get circed, but she does have the right to demand a certain level of cleanliness and hygene. By the way, she might inform her husband that maintaining proper clenliness and hygene in the "area in question" has health benefits for him as well.

[jemagirl (imported)]

It's her body.

If he's not happy with it, that's his problem.

On the other hand now that he has raised the topic of body modification maybe she can suggest that he have some scrotum reduction. Of course the there would not be any room left for his nutter butter cookies so they'd have to move out of the toy shop and into a jar.

[ramses (imported)]

The sad truth is that a woman can go to a qualified surgeon in ANY major city and have her poon lips cut off but how many plastic surgeons would tighten up a mans scrotum with no questions asked? I bet you would have to look far and wide for that cosmetic procedure...

[Arab Nights (imported)]

What man could resist you Yoli?

This part of the story is true!

[mrt (imported)]

I think doing anything be it labia trimming, Cicumcision, or implants etc MUST be done for yourself. When it is done for someone else its a BAD... idea....

Or so I think.

Beside I'm thinking during this "circ" the doctor in Mexico might ahh slip? and do a bilateral Orchiectomy? And THAT would really be wrong. Or am I reading the wrong stuff into this???

[DeaconBlues (imported)]

The sad truth is that a woman can go to a qualified surgeon in ANY major city and have her poon lips cut off but how many plastic surgeons would tighten up a mans scrotum with no questions asked? I bet you would have to look far and wide for that cosmetic procedure...

Uhhh, actually no, you don't have to look that hard to find scrotum tightening cosmetic procedures. The procedure has been around for quite a while, and if you can afford it, I think it is good. Many older men, have scrotums that sag farther down, and they want the young man look, so, they can tighten the skin simply enough. The scrotal skin is tightened by surface burning with a laser, no cutting involved, no stitches, just a quick series of laser shots around the scrotum above the balls and below the shaft of the penis, and in no time it is tight like a teenager's scrotum. IF I could actually afford it, hell yes I would do it.

[ramses (imported)]

Ouch!!!!!!!

Uhhh, actually no, you don't have to look that hard to find scrotum tightening cosmetic procedures. The procedure has been around for quite a while, and if you can afford it, I think it is good. Many older men, have scrotums that sag farther down, and they want the young man look, so, they can tighten the skin simply enough. The scrotal skin is tightened by surface burning with a laser, no cutting involved, no stitches, just a quick series of laser shots around the scrotum above the balls and below the shaft of the penis, and in no time it is tight like a teenager's scrotum. IF I could actually afford it, hell yes I would do it.

[punkypink (imported)]

Ms Pink has a point. --FLO--

thank you unca =)

[FianceeUvBigGuy (imported)]

I think doing anything be it labia trimming, Cicumcision, or implants etc MUST be done for yourself. When it is done for someone else its a BAD... idea....

Or so I think.

Beside I'm thinking during this "circ" the doctor in Mexico might ahh slip? and do a bilateral Orchiectomy? And THAT would really be wrong. Or am I reading the wrong stuff into this???

Meester Tee,

I don't think my GF wants her hubby castrated, accidentally or otherwise. She, you might safely say, is the "ideal" bisexual lady in that she enjoys a good and vigorous penile pounding and is a devotee of fellatio...but only on HER "Fella(---)" (plus an occasional taste of Barry T. Eunuch's innocent little morsel.)

She is into the castration "scene" well enough but fits into two categories of aficionada; She delights in seeing and "testing/inspecting" post-castration goods and is aroused at the prospect of being involved in or witnessing the castration of those who use their male parts in evil ways. She really loves her husband AND his nicely sized, talented, and ever-ready peepee so anticipate no threat to his ballsies unless he strays or becomes abusive. Knowing them both well has given me no reason to suspect he'll do either.

Yoli

All smug thanks to having EVERY Xmas detail accomplished! All shopping, wrapping, etc., done. All social events carefully planned. All food and beverage requirements met. Life is good!

[mrt (imported)]

Meester Tee,

I don't think my GF wants her hubby castrated, accidentally or otherwise. She, you might safely say, is the "ideal" bisexual lady in that she enjoys a good and vigorous penile pounding and is a devotee of fellatio...but only on HER "Fella(---)" (plus an occasional taste of Barry T. Eunuch's innocent little morsel.)

She is into the castration "scene" well enough but fits into two categories of aficionada; She delights in seeing and "testing/inspecting" post-castration goods and is aroused at the prospect of being involved in or witnessing the castration of those who use their male parts in evil ways. She really loves her husband AND his nicely sized, talented, and ever-ready peepee so anticipate no threat to his ballsies unless he strays or becomes abusive. Knowing them both well has given me no reason to suspect he'll do either.

Yoli

All smug thanks to having EVERY Xmas detail accomplished! All shopping, wrapping, etc., done. All social events carefully planned. All food and beverage requirements met. Life is good!

Ahh thats a relief. I think the fantasy thing is all well and good but I had the idea your GF was really ready to DO this to him. Not good!

[FianceeUvBigGuy (imported)]

Well, as luck would have it, I flew back on another Sooner fan's playtoy this AM. Am I glad to be out of the KC weather? Yes!!!! The official temp at kickoff was 31F but it had dropped a bunch by game's end.

As I hoped and predicted, the Mighty Oklahoma Sooners mangled Mizzou 61-21 as we shivered in the stands and will play the U. of Florida for all the marbles in the Orange Bowl. We finish the regular season 12-1.

That said, I had a call awaiting me from the lady this thread was originated in re to. She has flat told her hubby that there will be NO labia snipping...period and if he wants impromptu BJs (which she loves to give, as it were,) he'll carry a jug of water, some soap, and a towel whenever they wander far from running water. He, so she stated, agreed in total and apologized for being a jerk. All is well.

On a related note...The victory celebration was wayyyyyyy over the top. I had vowed to drink one shot for every point in the margin of victory...FORTY SHOTS??? I stopped at seven.

More Kawfeeeee (and Alka Seltzer!) Thank God the plane ride wasn't too bumpy.

Love,

Yoli

[emasculateme (imported)]

Lets mince no words here, the eunch.org community is very strongly tied to the bdsm community, and one strong aspect of bdsm is to be changed, against one's will, to suit the will of the dominant one. And inherently, twisted as it may be, many subs do derive a sense of satisfaction from that, even though they may have been changed unwillingly.

i know this is at least in part my mindset...the idea of not having control over the changes that would be made is one of the hottest, for me, aspects of it...if i feel any sense of control...i lose interest.

Yoli...i do think your compromise is a good one...however...i don't feel it's equitable...i'd imagine that losing the outer lips would be far more detrimental to her than losing the foreskin would be to him...of course, i was circumsized as a baby, so i could be mistaken there.

[A-1 (imported)]

Well, as luck would have it, I flew back on another Sooner fan's playtoy this AM. Am I glad to be out of the KC weather? Yes!!!! The official temp at kickoff was 31F but it had dropped a bunch by game's end.

As I hoped and predicted, the Mighty Oklahoma Sooners mangled Mizzou 61-21 as we shivered in the stands and will play the U. of Florida for all the marbles in the Orange Bowl. We finish the regular season 12-1.

That said, I had a call awaiting me from the lady this thread was originated in re to. She has flat told her hubby that there will be NO labia snipping...period and if he wants impromptu BJs (which she loves to give, as it were,) he'll carry a jug of water, some soap, and a towel whenever they wander far from running water. He, so she stated, agreed in total and apologized for being a jerk. All is well.

On a related note...The victory celebration was wayyyyyyy over the top. I had vowed to drink one shot for every point in the margin of victory...FORTY SHOTS??? I stopped at seven.

More Kawfeeeee (and Alka Seltzer!) Thank God the plane ride wasn't too bumpy.

Love,

Yoli

Dear Yoli,

For all that YOU DO THIS VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zdDfQrPi5Q) is for YOU!

You tell that hater of female genitalia that the young lady has nothing wrong with her that could not be fixed by a JUDICIAL APPLICATION of DUCT TAPE....

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Over his....

GODDAMED MOUTH!

Maybe he should wear a bllindfold if he desn't like to look at her.... how do you say ...

>^..^<

..HE should feel priviledged that she still shows it to him....

[speedvogel (imported)]

In THIS case Yoli said the woman in question doesn't want to have it done. She also didn't indicate a BDSM situation exists between the couple. I would also point out in a master/slave relationship she would be ordered to have it done vs being asked to have it done.

Batman

In a proper BDSM master-slave relationship, she still would not have to have it done. The bottom always has ultimate control.

Speed

[FianceeUvBigGuy (imported)]

Have a moment while dinnahhhhh is cooking (Ground sirloin with bacon wrap, baked po-tah-to, steamed broccoli, baked beans, dinner rolls, buttahhhhh, and cheesecake for 'zert. Did I mention *BEANO[TM]?)

That said...

Guys, it was NEVER remotely related to BDSM. NOT EVER. He simply had seen a tight-lipped ussy-pay or two in person (one of which happened to be mine, as we all skinny dipped) and some in print or on the net so well as some Polaroids of hers BEFORE the kids came along. I guess it was a case of nostalgia

These folks have a secure and loving marriage and are best friends so well as lovers. It was just a little hiccup that turned into temporary heartburn.

All is well! ALL IS WELL!

NOTE TO A-1:

Dear Steak Sauce,

Great video! I'm sending it to my mom and I assure you she'll see to it that Dad and Grandpa see it.

Thanks.

Frankly, I don't know all that many people that are into BDSM in the pure sense of the term. Oh, I like to be spanked now and then but not whipped, nor do I want various clamps and jumper cables attached to me.

Marlene and her eunuch-to(maybe)-be enjoy a little bit of him "Worshipping" her via foot play, cunnilingus without release for him, and some mildly painful ball and peepee play. These sessions are only on occasion and are far outnumbered by bouts of good old SEX! (with reminders to him that his balls will be missed...but by whom?)

The Thai ladyboy, my ballsless treasure, is not into BDSM but will convincingly roleplay if asked. "She" is just a good sport, I suppose. We've not engaged in any in the brief time I've known "her" but the Houston eunuch (the nice one of the two) that brought "her" into my life sez she can be quite the terror...or the terrorized, on request.

I don't think I'll explore that facet of her talents until I've exhausted my curiousity and fascination (never!) re her tiny peepee and empy little baggie.

Well, well, wellllll...Lady Ash(leigh) has presented me with a nice Manhattan and a suggestion that I get my adorable hiney into that kitchen...or else!

Love, etc.

Yoli

Designated Chef Of The Evening

*Why the BEANO? Well, duh! Broccoli, baked beans? You do the math.

Yes, even angels fart.

[punkypink (imported)]

i know this is at least in part my mindset...the idea of not having control over the changes that would be made is one of the hottest, for me, aspects of it...if i feel any sense of control...i lose interest.

Yoli...i do think your compromise is a good one...however...i don't feel it's equitable...i'd imagine that losing the outer lips would be far more detrimental to her than losing the foreskin would be to him...of course, i was circumsized as a baby, so i could be mistaken there.

i quote y

r post to make a point to another post i'd like to reply to:

In a proper BDSM master-slave relationship, she still would not have to h

ave it done. The bottom always has ultimate control.

Speed

Ever heard of consensual non-consent? Some of them, the only control they have is in the decision to give up control. Anything after that is fair game and entirely up to the dom.

I don't know what is the relationship in this case, and I don't really care. Yoli's posts are sometimes abstract to the point that the details are not comprehensible. My only point is in tackling the saying that "one

should NEVER have plastic surgery to make someone else happy

" and "one ONLY does it for oneself, not someone else", because both statements are simply too absolute and were not simply aimed at the circumstance in this case. I mean, afterall the person who made those statements, and other people who also share these sentiments did not say "in this case, she shouldn't..." or something to that effect. I am not wrong in saying that most of the people who straight up made such sweeping, absolute statements were reacting partially out of instinctive emotion than carefully thought logic am I? Its the same sort of gut feeling that makes people react the way they do to something they might not understand or approve, much like how people say things like "no man should have sex with another man" or "no man should want to lose his cock". Heck, the originator of those 2 absolute statements even says that "it made him mad" which pretty much proves my point that its a reflex emotional response akin to how "you must be mad to want to lose your cock!" people respond because the idea of anybody desiring penectomy makes them angry.

Hence I am just pointing out the irony of responses arising from such "gut punch emtional reflexes" on the eunuch.org forums, when just about everyone here would claim intolerance and bigotry where they to get the same reflex response from other people who do not understand the desires of many here to be castrated/penectomized/nullified/enslaved etc. In somewhere as controversal and unconventional as eunuch.org, sweeping, absolute statements don't quite have a place do they?

P.S. Yoli, why do u refer to your thai transsexual as a "her" and "she"? Surely she has the right to be referred to by the pronouns she is rightfully entitled to based on her gender-identity? Unless u're misleadingly using the term "ladyboy" to refer to a male-identified crossdresser rather than a male to female transsexual, then i suppose it kinda makes sense.