Patrick1962 wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:57 am I have only one question: what is the SOCv9 process?

SOCv9 = will be Version 9 of the WPATH Standards of Care for the Health of Transgender and Gender Diverse People. They will soon be in the process of updating this document.

We are currently on SOC-8, i.e. version 8. Here is a link to the current version: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10. ... 22.2100644

SOC 8 has only been out a couple of years. The SOC only increases in version number about once every 10 years. SOC 8 is what you should be focused on. There are far too many places in the world which know it exists, but seemingly refuse to implement it and/or are actively fighting it existing at all. So before everyone gets wound up about a so-called SOC 9, you may wish to focus on getting SOC 8 more widely implemented, as that is what is going to help ensure care remaining available at this point.

The other thing people should remember, because I've seen handwringing over this in other places, is the SOC isn't meant to identify every last aspect of gender or human sexuality. Nobody cares about your neutered fuckpig furry persona. ABSOLUTELY NOBODY. I actually saw someone lamenting they were not represented in the SOC because of something like that. Well, that's NOT what the SOC is about, and if anyone wants to work to ensure getting folks like us get taken OUT of it, keep going down that road.

The SOC is meant to identify and help the broadest range of individuals possible. As such, it will cover the common traits of the issue and not every single spoke on the wheel. It would be helpful to keep that in mind as folks start talking about revisions, or a new version.

Focus on what's important, not all the tangents.

Nulloguy wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:04 am SOC 8 has only been out a couple of years. The SOC only increases in version number about once every 10 years. SOC 8 is what you should be focused on. There are far too many places in the world which know it exists, but seemingly refuse to implement it and/or are actively fighting it existing at all. So before everyone gets wound up about a so-called SOC 9, you may wish to focus on getting SOC 8 more widely implemented, as that is what is going to help ensure care remaining available at this point.

The other thing people should remember, because I've seen handwringing over this in other places, is the SOC isn't meant to identify every last aspect of gender or human sexuality. Nobody cares about your neutered fuckpig furry persona. ABSOLUTELY NOBODY. I actually saw someone lamenting they were not represented in the SOC because of something like that. Well, that's NOT what the SOC is about, and if anyone wants to work to ensure getting folks like us get taken OUT of it, keep going down that road.

The SOC is meant to identify and help the broadest range of individuals possible. As such, it will cover the common traits of the issue and not every single spoke on the wheel. It would be helpful to keep that in mind as folks start talking about revisions, or a new version.

Focus on what's important, not all the tangents.

Thank you for the advice and wisdom of your experience, I greatly appreciate it. You make a number of very major points.

I agree that a large part of the battle of the moment is to get more places to accept and implement it and stop fighting against it. At the same time I think it's important to be at least on the lookout for when they start the v9 process to be sure we are part of it.

I agree that it isn't appropriate to try to get every last aspect of gender / sexuality covered, (I don't think that's possible given the range of same) but at least by my reading, and to some extent my experience going through it from the patient end, is that it only accepts a fairly limited range of reasons for wanting to be a eunuch, essentially disphoria or similar... If you can't make your reason 'fit' into that narrow range, you can't get past the gatekeepers.
I think that ideally it should be more that when a patient presents as wanting to be castrated / nullified / other, there should be verification that he does NOT have a psych issue that needs care first, and that he is fully aware of the consequences and is prepared to deal with them, then book the surgeon... The 'reason' should not be particularly relevant, which avoids going down that entire rabbit-hole of gender / sexuality.... If the patient believes that being a "neutered fuckpig furry" is what he really wants in life, it should be possible for him to be one without having to convince some doctor that it's a proper and legitimate choice...

WheelyFixed

Nulloguy wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:04 am Nobody cares about your neutered fuckpig furry persona. ABSOLUTELY NOBODY.

Hey! Don't be dissing the Neutered FuckPig Furry Community! Just kidding, that line made me laugh out loud. Great reminder that SOC-8 still has a lot of life in it.