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"We want to do as much research as possible. That's why we want to find closeup video or set of photos, and a surgical textbook on the subject would be helpful."

Salami, for a detailed castration on DVD check out:

http://www.bmevideo.com/klyde/index.html

There are quite a few books that explain surgical techniques and procedures. One book which is often recommended on surgical technique is:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... ce&s=books

Another which descrines the procedure is:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... 48-6574465

I hope you find these books and DVD helpful.

Now to another point:

Someone else - sorry, I'm terrible with names - recommended for cutters to work in a motel when performing a castration. I live in the Uk, so I have never stayed in a motel, but I can't help but think:

What about sterilisation? I cannot believe a motel room would be sterile enough to perform a castration in safely. There is more info on sterilisation is:

http://www.bmezine.com/ehs-faq.txt

All the best,

Leon

Whatever we do is never entirely private. Public consequences result from private behavior. Of course, this is not to defend government telling you or me what we can do with our sexual organs--including getting rid of them.

I would have great reservations about any surgical procedure done in a motel room. In counterpoint, I find it hard to see how getting castrated or emasculated for essentially recreational purposes differs from getting a lot of other modifications folks get done all the time in hospitals.

In response to an earlier post, if I had my penis cut off, I would tell everyone--I'm not sufficiently private!

Leon (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2003 10:12 pm Someone else - sorry, I'm terrible with names - recommended for cutters to work in a motel when performing a castration. I live in the Uk, so I have never stayed in a motel, but I can't help but think:

What about sterilisation? I cannot believe a motel room would be sterile enough to perform a castration in safely.

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Unless there is an strong airflow with airborn particlues then in reality if the person is following sterile procedure there really shouldn't be an increased risk. As a Paramedic we did lots of work in areas where the conditions were less than optimal.

Obviously you want as clean of enviroment as possible, but if sterile procedure is followed then it really doesn't matter.

I do myself prefer working in their home as in that place they are aclimated to the bacteria in their home. Many of the really serious and dangerous types of bacterial are rarely found outside Hospitals. In reallity they are very dangerous places when it comes to bacteria and infections.

So in some ways your precption of a hospital as being clean is only partialy correct. There are areas that are specially cleaned. But some of the bacteria in there is so strong that it is difficlute to remove.

There was a MRSA outbreak many years ago in hospitals and you had to quarentine the patients. They went back to those rooms later after they had supposely been completely disenfected and still found MRSA.

Infection control is a very important part of modern hospitals. You are much less likely to get a serious infection in your own home.

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sdstudbtm (imported) wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2003 4:04 pm So in some ways your precption of a hospital as being clean is only partialy correct. There are areas that are specially cleaned. But some of the bacteria in there is so strong that it is difficlute to remove.

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I did not actually mention hospitals, but a surgical operation room is specially cleaned to be sterile, or as sterile as it can be.

Cuts made outside of a sterile room are considered contaminated wounds. Most doctors will prescribe antibiotics even if there are no signs of infection. As most cutters cannot prescribe antibiotics, infection becomes a serious risk. There is nothing to fight of infection in the scrotum and it can lead to death if left untreated.

If people desire to be castrated in a motel room that is their business. Personally, I would want to be castrated at least in a semi-controlled sterile environment. This is my personal view and want others do is none of my business. As the Master once put it, 'Do what thou Wilt.'

For me castration is an innate desire, but I do not consider the act itself the goal. If I die from an infection, blood loss or any other complication that may occur, what was the point of being castrated? I wouldn't have time to enjoy it.

All the best,

Leon

luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:58 am Taken from WDIV Channel 4 Detroit (http://www.wdiv.com

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Original story

luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:58 am (http://www.clickondetroit.com/det/news/stories/news-1

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Judge Denies Kitchen Castrator's Plea

Trial Date Set For March

Posted: 12:05 p.m. EST February 5, 2003

A judge decided Tuesday that the case of a man who admitted to performing castrations in his kitchen will go to trial.

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on Northfield Street

luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:58 am with heavy blood stains on the front of his pants,

after emergency medical services personnel received a call from a neighbor.

When asked what happened, the Birmingham

luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:58 am man allegedly told officers that he had undergone a voluntary castration two hours earlier.

Wang's trial date was set for next month.

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luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:51 pm The Detroi

luvpain (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2002 1:46 pm t Free Press (http://www.freep.com/)

Orginal

Story (http://www.freep.com/news/locoak/nwang5_20030205.htm)

Amateur surgeon must stand trial

Judge rejects plea from man who performed castration

February 5, 2003

BY MATT HELMS

FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

Probation for an Oak Park man who botched a voluntary

luvpain (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2002 3:23 pm castration isn't enough punishment, so the

would-be surgeon will face trial next month, a judge ruled Tuesday.

Oakland County Circuit Judge Fred Mester told prosecutors and the lawyer for Shuo-Shan Wang, 29, that he was uncomfortable with a plea agreement that could have resulted in probation and no jail time.

"It does not seem to me that Mr. Wang is truly understanding of the seriousness of this violation," Mester said during what was to have been Wang's sentencing Tuesday.

Mester noted that doctors undergo years of training for such a procedure, and patients receive substantial counseling beforehand. He compared Wang's act to Jack Kevorkian meeting with people for a few hours before deciding they're ready to die.

With that, Wang's lawyer, Steve Reina, asked Mester to withdraw the agree

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on charges he practiced medicine without a license and illegally dispensed prescription pain medication he'd bought over the counter in Canada. The charges carry up to four years in prison upon conviction.

Reina said afterward that Wan

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ment because he has no prior criminal record and performed the castration on a 48-year-old Birmingham man who requested the procedure.

Wang pleaded guilty in December, admitting that, in a 40-minute procedure last June on his kitchen table, he removed the testicles of the Birmingham man whom police have not identified. The would-be surgeon had

luvpain (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2002 12:34 pm advertised his services on the Internet.

Police said the castrated man be

gan bleeding uncontrollably. Police found the man sitting in blood-soaked jeans on a curb on Northfield Street after neighbors called authorities. They later found two testicles in a jar in Wang's refrigerator.

The man later underwent emergency surgery at Providence Hospital in Southfi

luvpain (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2002 1:46 pm eld and has recovered. Prosecutors said the man w

anted to be castrated to remove his sex drive after he contracted a sexually transmitted disease.

Wang is a Taiwanese national with a master's degree in engineering. He's in the United States on a long-term student visa. Prosecutors said he has admitted to performing 50 other castrations in Michigan and in his former home in Australia.

Assistant Prosecutor Ken Frazee said outside court that he wasn't concerned by the withdrawal of the plea agreement.

"We're confident in the charges," he said.

Wang remains free on bond. Trial was set for March 31.

I wonder if jurors in that state are allowed to give a verdict of "not guilty" even when it is clear that someone broke the letter of the law, if they think that the law should be changed.

happousai (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2003 2:13 pm I wonder if jurors in that state are allowed to give a verdict of "not guilty" even when it is clear that someone broke the letter of the law, if they think that the law should be changed.

That sort of thing is known as "Jury Nullification", and is very controversial. It is also warned against in California, although it sometimes happens anyway.

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luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:58 am (http://www.clickondetroit.com/det/news/stories/news-

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Kitchen Castration Trial Gets Under Way

Man Accused Of Practicing Medicine Without

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1, 2003

Updated: 7:57 a.m. EST April 1, 2003

PONTIAC, Mich.-- Jury selection is expected to begin Tuesday in the trial of a man accused of performing a ca

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Authorities said Wang performed the procedure at his home in Oak P

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Wang pleaded guilty in December to charges of

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nd dispensing prescription medicine without a license. He withdrew hi

luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:51 pm s plea after an Oakland County judge said

he would sentence Wang to at least six months in jail.

If convicted of practicing medicine without a license, Wang could go to prison for up to four years.

Well should find out sure what will happens since jury went into deliberation today. It doesn't look good for him right now and I am very down because of it.

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The Orginal Story (http://www.freep.com/news/locoak/noak4_20030404.htm)

OAK PARK

Jury to start deciding case of illegal surgery

A jury is to begin

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luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:51 pm of practicing medicine without a license

and illegally dispensing prescription drugs.

During two days of trial, Oakland County Assistant Prosecutor Ken Frazee told the four men and 10 women on the jury that Wang had performed several such castrations in his home, advertising on the Internet.

But in the early morning hours of June 8, after he performed surgery on a 49-year-old Birmingham man, the man bled profusely. He was rushed to the hospital.

He spent two to three days in the hospital, getting repaired what the defendant had done to him."

Frazee asked jurors to overlook the fact the victim had sought the procedure from Wang. The victim testified he asked for the surgery to eliminate his sex drive because he was HIV positive. Wang told police the man had fantasized about castration since childhood.

"Consent is not an is

luvpain (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2003 12:37 pm sue here. You are here to decide, did the

defendant do the act. And the evidence is clear. He did," Frazee said.

luvpain (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2002 3:23 pm Defense attorney Steven Reina present

ed a string of character witnesses who told jurors Wang was a kind, law-abiding citizen, with no prior criminal record who performed such procedures out of compassion. And he asked jurors to consider the circumstances of the surgery.

The patient, Reina said, "had a free and open mind. There was no violence or coercion used."

The case is before Oakland County Circuit Judge Fred Mester.

By L.L. Brasier

The Detroit News (http://www.detnews.com/)

The orginal Story

Trial starts over surgery in kitchen

Jury selection begins in case of Oak Park man accused of performing unlicensed castration

By Jennifer Chambers / The Detroit News

PONTIAC -- It was a skill passed down by his grandparents that the would-be surgeon first practiced on a dog.

But performing a castration on a 48-year-old Oakland County man without a medical license landed Shuo-Shan Wang in trouble with the law and left his victim in need of emergency surgery.

Today, jury selection is to begin in Oakland Circuit Court in the case against Wang, a Taiwanese national who admitted to police that

luvpain (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2003 12:37 pm in a 40-minute procedure last June on his kitchen table

in Oak Park, he removed the testicles of a Birmingham man.

After the surgery Wang placed the man's testicles in a container and put it in his refrigerator. The men then shared some pie on the same table, investigators said.

The castrated man began to bleed uncontrollably and was found outside Wang's home sitting on a curb in blood-soaked jeans. He was rushed to the hospital and underwent emergency surgery. He has since recovered.

After

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Wang, who advertised his services on the Int

luvpain (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2003 12:37 pm ernet, said he had castrated 50 men in Michigan and Australia. The castrated man, who is not being identified, voluntar

ily underwent the procedure, prosecutors said, to remove his sex drive after he had contracted a sexually transmitted disease.

Assistant Prosecutor Ken Frazee said the law is clear that a person cannot perform surgery without a medical license and that consent is no defense.

"I think the jury will see pretty clearly you can't have people going arou

luvpain (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2003 12:37 pm nd performing medical procedures without the proper licensing," Frazee said.

Defense attorney Steve Reina had told the judge that Wang does not deserve harsh punishment because he has no prior criminal record and performed the castration on a man who sought the procedure. Reina was unavailable for comment Monday.

If convicted of the felony, Wang will face up

luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2002 11:28 am to four years in prison. The other

charge of dispensing medicine is a 90-day misdemeanor.

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PONTIAC

Jury convicts man of castrating another

A jury deliberated less than two hours Friday before finding an Oak Park man who

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Suo-Shan Wang, 29, fought back tears and put his face in his hands following the verdict in Oakland County Circuit Court. He was also found guilty of distributing prescription medication without a license. He faces up to four years in prison when he is sentenced April 21, although he will likely get less time because he has no record. He remains free on a $25,000 bond.

The verdict came after two days of trial, including an afternoon of testimony from Wang's victim. The man, 48, of Birmingham, told jurors he located Wang on the Internet and sought the surgery in June to eliminate his sex drive because he has HIV. Wang told police later that he had been performing castrations since 1994, and learned the technique from family members in his native Taiwan.

The man began bleeding profusely shortly after the surgery and was taken to a nearby hospital. He was hospitalized for two days.

The trial was before Circuit Judge Fred Mester, who, earlier this year, rejected a plea bargain that would have put Wang on probation for six months. Mester said at the time that the castration should carry a jail sentence.

By L.L. Brasier

Ye gods......

Ye gods......



Not a surprise, though. By law, the question was not whether Don consented to the operation, but whether the defendent had broken the law. Which he had. Had I been on the jury, I would have, reluctantly, voted guilty.

(But I wonder, did the lawyers, during the picking of the jury, asked if any of the male jurors were castrated or knew somebody well who had been castrated?)

Hopefully, the sentence will be light, perhaps even suspended?

Well he has the same judge as before the one that wanted him to face at least 6 months in jail. I really hope that the sentence will be light as he is a very good friend of mine.

>

Andrew (imported) wrote: Sun Apr 06, 2003 12:47 pm By law, the question was not whether Don consented to

> the operation, but whether the defendent had broken

> the law. Which he had. Had I been on the jury, I would

> have, reluctantly, voted guilty.

Had I been on the jury, I would have voted Innocent even though it was clear that the defendant broke the letter of the law. Screw the law; the law is wrong.

>

Andrew (imported) wrote: Sun Apr 06, 2003 12:47 pm By law, the question was not whether Don consented to

> the operation, but whether the defendent had broken

> the law. W

happousai (imported) wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2003 10:51 am hich he had. Had I been on the jury, I would

> have, reluctantly, voted guilty.

Had I been on the jury, I would have voted Innocent even though it was clear that the defendant broke t

he letter of the law. Screw the law; the law is wrong.

This

Andrew (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2003 9:53 pm is known as "Jury Nullification", and is

a very controversial subject. But it does happen.

Clearly, this is an area where government intruded where it was not needed or wanted by the parties directly involved.