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Hash (imported) wrote: Mon May 30, 2011 9:09 pm Think about the evolutionary theory, man, animals evolve, changing as needed or as wanting in order to adapt to their environment, but what drives or pushes for these changes?

Random chance. The very essence of Darwinism is that huge periods of time and random chance combined with selective pressures result in changes. Darwinism depends on pre-adaptation, that a change has already occurred before it is needed. The idea that an organism wants or wills the change is exactly what Darwinian evolution is NOT.

Hash (imported) wrote: Mon May 30, 2011 9:09 pm Can a lower life form think and reason that they need to evolve into a more complex life form and then by sheer will evolve? What's the motivator for evolving?

Evolutionary pressure. Some peppered moths were melanistic (very black) some were not and just white sprinkled with black. In preindustrial times, the black ones stood out on lichen covered trees and birds ate more of them so they had a hard time reproducing (because they were dead). With the Industrial Revolution the trees got covered with soot, the white moths now stood out and got eaten (and taken out of the reproductive cycle) and the black moths were cleverly camoflaged to look like sooty bark. For the last thrity years, air pollution laws have put an end to industrial pollution (at least in the form of soot) and now the trees are no longer covered with soot, now the white peppered moths are making a comeback. The species has both whitish and melanistic varieties, which of the two reproduces more depends on which avoids being eaten which depends on random events beyond the moth's control. The same thing occurs with dandelions. There are tall varieties and ground hugging forms. In manicured lawns, the tall forms are cut down before they reproduce and so in parks and suburban landscapes, that form prevails; in wilderness areas, the tall forms prevail because they are not cut down and being tall they can scatter their seeds more effectively than their ground-hugging cousins. The two varieties have to already be there before evolution can select one or the other.

Hash (imported) wrote: Mon May 30, 2011 9:09 pm If we say man has evolved, then why haven't we, why can't we change our sex at will?

Because it is not about personal will but about what we have to start with. If you don't have the ability to change sex, then you can't select for it. That is why, despite years of trying, there are no true blue roses. The blue flower pigments, cyanins, aren't manufactured in any rose, so you can't select for it. You can select unpigmented roses and come up with white varieties, you can select varieties with xanthins and produce pale to dark yellow roses, and red roses from pale pink to deep almost black red or mix the two and produce salmon or orangey-pinks, but you can't breed blue roses because short of genetic engineering, there are no blue cards to play. Darwinian evolution only works with the cards it is dealt; new, playable cards are extremely rare.

Hash (imported) wrote: Mon May 30, 2011 9:09 pm What's always been difficult about evolution is the simplistic decision that an animal can by sheer will over hundreds of thousands of years, change it's design.

The simplistic element is your misunderstanding, but that isn't evolution. Darwinian evolution removes any form of "decision" from the process. Traits appear by random chance and are selected for by impersonal survival pressures once those traits appear in the gene pool. Evolution is the biological equivalent of Brownian motion; what you are ranting about is a teleological construct, generally referred to as Lamarckianism, which is the biological equivalent of faith healing; and you are right; it is a crock. It is also a straw man.

Mac (imported) wrote: Tue May 31, 2011 10:12 am I like to think that creationism and evolution are compatible. However, I would like to be nullo like YodaNell since I can't hope for total srs. What good is a penis if you sit to pee and do not have penetrative sex?

Hi Mac, nice to hear from YOU again.

I would have liked it if evolution gave us penises that drop off (just like that little lizard) at 40 years of age, giving us time in our youth to procreate if so wanted. I mean, what's the use of a penis later in life except to jerk off, lust, defile one's body and urinate.

It's also a titty that evolution does not let us evolve another type of hormone that counters the side effects caused by the lack of testosterone. That, after all, is the essence of evolution; to improve a specie's weakness. The reality, though, is the human bodies seem to regress in it's development. Humans are becoming smaller, weaker and more prone to serious diseases.

Mac, I can't wait for the day you report that you became a nullo. It seem to be a great desire for you. I must honestly say that, though not female in psyche, I REALLY don't miss my penis at all! I really like the way I am and the look down there. My soul is at rest...finally.

Blessings to you

gareth19 (imported) wrote: Tue May 31, 2011 4:26 pm Some peppered moths were melanistic (very black) some were not and just white sprinkled with black... The same thing occurs with dandelions... despite years of trying, there are no true blue roses... The blue flower pigments, cyanins, aren't manufactured in any rose..

Hi gareth19, it seems to me that you are an expert in evolution dogma. Though we are really getting of my topic here I really (as a leak on the topic of evolution) like to comment regarding you writing.

It seems to me that in ALL the examples you mentioned, only MINOR adaption took place. The moths, roses even dog varieties did not change into another specie or animal type, but rather adapted their own sort to improve themselves. It remains unproven that a rose will evolve into a tulip. The moth did not evolve into, say, a lovebird or a bat.

You say that creatures cannot change if they do not have the 'stuff' IN them that will cause the change. My point, exactly. The moth does not have the blueprint of a bat in it's genes to enable it to evolve into one. Do you agree?

Therefor, my faith can accept that a type/kind/specie CAN adapt in it's environment eg. a fresh water crock adapted into a salt water crock but it remained a crock non the less. Though I'm not familiar regarding the mechanics of adaptation and evolution in species, one can observe and reason the truth in what I say. I, for one, have NEVER seen or heard any hard evidence where:

1) Plants and Animals have a common ancestry, as mentioned in Darwin's book;

2) Humans evolved from a single celled organism through many different stages of animal varieties;

3) All matter which came into existence BY ITSELF and FROM NOTHING and lastly;

4) That evolution is still in progress.

...aren't manufactured in any rose...

It's only logic to assume that even the very first creature on earth had 'stuff' manufactured in it. Either that creature and it's stuff materialized from NOTHING into being or GOD manufactured that 'stuff'.

Can you now understand why there are people who honestly cannot understand/accept many of the evolution theories. We are not stupid. It just does not make sense (in light of the above) to accept those theories by blind unproven faith.

This is an interesting subject. Maybe someone could start a new thread to continue it. My post is really evolving up the wrong branch of the tree.

Blessings to all.

The discussion of Evolution has been moved:

Hash (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:59 pm http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=

20652. I would ask that everyone go there to discuss it rather than divert Yoda's thread from it's intended purpose.

Ladies and Gentlemen...

I agree that the horse-race of a discussion, replaying the Scopes Monkey Trial in this thread, is fun. It is, however, a digression.

YodaNell posted a fascinating response in this thread, about being a straight castrate who's finding some unexpected (but not unwelcome) headspace changes and is sharing them.

I would like to hear more on that discussion.

(The horse race can wait; we've heard it before.)

UPDATE:

I saw my Plastic Surgeon today for a follow-up appointment. As he performs LOTS of SRS, I mentioned to him that I want to stop T for now and he TOTALLY supports the. I asked him if it was very dangerous to deprive oneself from T and he said 'NO!"

I asked him this because I read some serious stuff about low testosterone. View my post here regarding that

Hash (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:59 pm . http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=

20645

So, I feel confident to stop T, for a while at least.

The doc is also very pleased with my recovery. Being diabetic, he is surprised to see how quickly I healed. Pre-op, they were afraid that I might have healing issues being diabetic. I guess I have an upper Hand taking care of me.

I still have 4 small stitches in the urethra which hasn't dissolved yet, but my doc assured me it will disappear soon.

I working on him now to consider lipo-sucking my belly area. He doesn't bite at the idea yet. It seems I'm going to have to get drastic again.

Best wishes to all...

Hi Yoda!

I'm still so amazed at the results of your journey. Thanks for the updates, it's beneficial to learn from you. I do think the lack of testosterone, from my experiences and experiments at depriving myself of it, will affect you in many different ways. You will probably have hot flashes/flushes, some will be more severe than others and you will probably have some breast growth if you stay off of testosterone for several weeks or months. You might have difficulty sleeping. And your penis...? Whoops, I was going to say shrink, sorry! Well thanks again and keep posting! Look forward to hearing about your experiences.

Hash (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2011 2:12 am Hi Yoda!

I'm still so amazed at the results of your journey. Thanks for the updates, it's beneficial to learn from you. I do think the lack of testosterone, from my experiences and experiments at depriving myself of it, will affect you in many different ways. You will probably have hot flashes/flushes, some will be more severe than others and you will probably have some breast growth if you stay off of testosterone for several weeks or months. You might have difficulty sleeping. And your penis...? Whoops, I was going to say shrink, sorry! Well thanks again and keep posting! Look forward to hearing about your experiences.

BWAAAAA-ha-ha-ha-ha-haaaaaaa!!

Hi Hash, Sorry for laughing, but you're so funny! It's always good to hear from you.

My doc did confess that he left a very small part of my penis, the reason being to give shape to my pee-hole. It's the part that splits in two. The only irritating thing about this is that it spontaneous erect at time becoming very uncomfortable. He suggested that I go on estrogen, but when I told him that I consider stopping T for a while, he was in total agreement.

Fortunately, I did not have any hot flashes yes. Hope it remains that way. I will, however, be taking 2cc T sometime in the near future.

I do have trouble sleeping, but that was before I stopped T. I am using a StillNox sleeping tablet to sleep.

Shalom...

UPDATE:

Occasionally, I get this itch somewhere around the pee-hole area. It feels like it exists behind the neck of the glans. Problem is, I don't have a glans anymore.

When I try to scratch the itch, it feels like the itch is on my skin but when I scratch where I feel it, the itch is not there. It is somewhere about 5cm outside my body.

It's annoying. Phantom itches cannot be scratched. Fortunately, it occurs maybe 3 times a week and last only a few minutes.

Later...

YodaNell (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2011 2:58 am I do have trouble sleeping, but that was before I stopped T. I am using a StillNox sleeping tablet to sleep.

Just a question.

Are your problems regarding sleeping due to insomnia/restlessness. I found after my prodecure I also have difficulty sleeping, even when I am seriously tired, mainly because my legs felt like they they were "twitching", or they just needed to be constantly moved into different positions?

Could be the nerves still trying to find their place I guess?

thraddash (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:08 pm Just a question.

Are your problems regarding sleeping due to insomnia/restlessness. I found after my prodecure I also have difficulty sleeping, even when I am seriously tired, mainly because my legs felt like they they were "twitching", or they just needed to be constantly moved into different positions?

Could be the nerves still trying to find their place I guess?

Hi thraddash, yes I think you are right. In South Africa we call it 'Restless Legs'. I had this problem of restless legs during my stay at the hospital. I just could not find the 'right' position for my legs to rest. It was quite irritating and uncomfortable. But that's a thing of the past now. I just get this pinprick of an itch now and then. But it is not bad at all. It's quite interesting to try to scratch a phantom itch.

I think my sleeping problem started after my stay in hospital. Before, I could just lay my head on the pillow and almost instantly fall asleep. This was not the case after my hospital stay.

I remember now that at evening meds time, I was given quite a number of pills. I found out some days later from the head male nurse that all surgical patients are given a sleeping tabled every night. Maybe they want their patients docile and not having trouble during the evening. I think I got used to this sleeping tablet and when back at home, found it difficult to sleep without it.

Keep well...

UPDATE:

My short term memory seems to disappoint at times.

UPDATE:

My body is now void of any Testosterone. My libido is almost zero. My energy levels are very low. It takes real effort to get up from the couch from the laying position.

I took a 3 kilometer walk with my boss yesterday. My calve muscles started to cramp after about 500 meters.

I conducted the orchestra today and my left triceps is cramping like hell!

Luckily, I am not blessed with any hot flushes yet.

I don't think I'll need any sleeping tablet tonight as I feel quite sleepy at the moment (7pm).

Still, I'm very happy with my penectomy and will not trade it for anything. It's amazing how I still don't miss my penis. I thought I might get depressed at times missing my penis, but this is NOT the case. It's like I never had one. I can't remember what my penis and balls felt like. The memories are just not there anymore! That's great...

My doc said I will adjust soon to the low T.

Regards...

It's going to take awhile for your body to make adjustments, be patient. Also, make sure you do something to prevent osteoporosis (brittle bones). I had a bone density scan a while back to check the calcium levels of my bones and something else? Anyway, if you're going to resist using hormones, testosterone, you might be in danger of osteoporosis.

I'm amazed that you can't remember having a penis. It sounds absurd, but from all that I've read, it's true. It's true for me regarding my testicles.

Hey Haaaaaash!! Good to hear from you again.

I am on 1200 mg of Calcium/Vit D complex. My muscles feel exhausted. I walked 3 km again with my boss today. My leg muscles burns all the way. I wonder if it has something to do with me being diabetic. It might be that my muscle burns out all available energy but energy supply from my blood to my cells are retarded as I'm insulin resistant. I'll test this theory on Monday. I'll take some glucose sachet 30min before the walk. I'm really determine to loose 40Kg of weight. My penectomy and groin will look MUCH nicer with a thinner body. Do you agree?

Yeah...my brain has rewired itself. I really try HARD

YodaNell (imported) wrote: Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:17 am to remember what it felt like to

masturbate...you know...those nice sensations running up and down the penis. I truly cannot recall it. I use to squeeze my glans, twisting it with my fingers. I can't remember the feeling. Even the feeling of banding is evading my memory. I can't recall at all what sex with a girl felt like. The nice feeling of a penis inside a woman. I remember some physical aspects of being inside her, but my penis-feeling-memory is gone. Strange...but exciting.

What I feel now is my pee-hole. There are some nice sensations in my short urethra. I guess a clit feels the same. My pee-hole skin and all the skin around it, has no special erotic sensations. It's only the urethra that has. I guess orgasm might be possible if one gets back on T and prostate massage, although I NEVER enjoyed anything in my butt-hole. But, my penis era is gone...forever. I'm not a male, in THAT sense anymore...nor female. I guess I'm like a Barbie Doll. Mooi-Mooi!!!!

Enjoy your weekend.

UPDATE:

The strangest thought haunts me this morning; "What good is it to have something but you can't share it?"

I have this urge to show somebody what a wonderful change I went through. I don't know why, because my penectomy was done for religious reasons which only myself and God must know about, yet, it feels and looks so wonderful that I want to show (share) it with someone. It's almost like an anti-climax. The excitement of penectomy is gone...now what?

It think I must stay focused on the reason for doing this. It was not done for erotic or fantasy reasons. I wanted to be without sex organs since age 7 and now to unlearn sexual desire.

I woke up quite difficult this morning. It felt like I was sleepwalking getting ready to go to the shops, but my muscles feels better. I'm also totally awake now. I hope Hash is right that things will improve shortly, or I might be very tempted to inject 2cc of T.

Peace...

P.S. I'm noting that a newly nullified person undergoes quite a number of emo's.

YodaNell (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:13 pm UPDATE:

The strangest thought haunts me this morning; "What good is it to have something but you can't share it?".....................

Are you going to put updated photos on your Tribe page?

Mac (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:51 am Are you going to put updated photos on your Tribe page?

Hi Mac, nice to hear from you. Yes, I will post more photos as possible. I will let everyone know. I looks and feels great.

Bye...

Ok, I've posted some more pics on tribe to demonstrate my healing progress. I hope those scars will disappear in time. I'm happy with the result though.

Keep well...

UPDATE:

I am off T for one week already. I feel fine, generally, except for still being VERY tired. My energy levels are real low, though it seems better than yesterday for I'm not that sleepy.

My libido is also real low but not gone yet. I can still orgasm every day, if I want. Hope my libido will disappear soon.

I'm taking 600mg Calcium/VitD twice a day.

I take my hand and move it in front of my groin where my penis used to be. It feels strange as I know that there should be something but my mind does not remember it. It's like moving through a ghostly spot. Moving over that spot excites my pee-hole spontaneously.

When I put my hand in front of my groin and move it like I'm jacking off with a penis (not touching any part of my groin), real sexual excitement appears in my urethra/pee-hole. It's like jacking off a ghost-penis. I wonder how long this will last.

Be cool...

YodaNell (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:17 am Ok, I've posted some more pics on tribe to demonstrate my healing progress. I hope those scars will disappear in time. I'm happy with the result though.

Keep well...

It is looking great. I am envious.

UPDATE:

I feel MUCH better today. Not tired and sleepy at all! My libido is somewhat higer today. Judging be these symptoms, I wonder if my body did not create some T somewhere, or was there still some remand T hiding in my fat cells from the 3-month T injection. I still don't get hot flashes. Hope it stay that way. :-\

Peace...

UPDATE:

Hi Guys, there is something I need to report to those who wish to be penectomized.

Every once in a while, the reality being without a penis strikes me BIG TIME...the reality that I can NEVER have penetrative sex anymore...NEVER!

Then I focus on my reasons for nullification and it's fine. Fortunately I LOVE it to be without genitals..so I handle nullification without a problem.

But, please, make sure that you can live without sex before you have yours done because it is gone...permanently.

Just caring...

Hi Yoda,

Wanted to tell you that the new pictures are truly revealing. You are a nullo and everything looks great. I pray that you continue to yield to the Spirit's control and that you feast on the Word. Now regarding testosterone, the Adrenal glands also produce some testosterone. http://www.livestrong.com/article/22262 ... tosterone/

Sometime in the past when I tried to go completely without any source of testosterone after being castrated, I would have a day when it seemed that my libido and testosterone had kicked in, however, this was short lived and after plunging into depression, I started a low dose testosterone regimen. After many years on this low regimen, I cannot get my testosterone any higher, if I try to use more compounded testosterone, it actually has a reverse effect. Perhaps if I switched to the injectable testosterone I could boost it, but for what purpose? A higher testosterone amount would effect me negatively, so I'm staying where I'm at, which is just a little higher then most women and am tempted to go without any at all. Thanks again Yoda! Stay true & faithful, Hash

Hash (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:08 pm Hi Yoda,

Wanted to tell you that the new pictures are truly revealing. You are a nullo and everything looks great. I pray that you continue to yield to the Spirit's control and that you feast on the Word. Now regarding testosterone, the Adrenal glands also produce some testosterone.

Hey Hash!! Yeah, being a nullo is a fantastic life for me. Everyday I am in awe when I look and feel down there.

Being in control by the Spirit is VERY important to me. I pray the

He will move my beloved friends hearts on this forum.

Adrenal glands?... well that explains it. So I'm not totally void of T yet? I thought it was only the testes that produces T. Interesting article. I wonder how many wannabe eunuchs knows this?

I got quite warm today, but it was not a fully hot flush. Not like I experienced before. I got quite sweaty, but it did not last long. I hope the flashes will stay away.

Are you a nullo or just castrated?

May the Lord keep you and bless your week!