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Posted: **Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:54 pm**

From history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de ... %89vremond

The letter of Charles de Saint-Evremond (c.1685) encouraging a young page called Dery to be castrated:

"Clumsy and coarse people have been talking to you bluntly about having yourself castrated: an expression so ugly and so detestable that it would have revolted anyone less sensitive than you. ["Don't call it 'mutilation.'"] As for me, ... I shall try to obtain what is best for you in a less unpleasant way, and shall indicate as gently as possible that you must have yourself "rounded off" by means of a minor operation which will ensure the delicacy of your complexion for a long time and the beauty of your voice for ever ... The advantages that follow the operation are widely recognised today, and if Monsieur Dery in his natural state could have one mistress, Monsieur Dery when rounded off could have a hundred. [Castrati were popular among noblewomen, partly because of their sterility, and they were able to have sex to some extent.] ... You will have no wife, so you will be exempt from something very bad, You will be happy at at having no wife, happier still at having no children. Monsieur Dery's daughter would get herself pregnant, his son would get himself hanged and, what is most certain, his wife would make him a cuckold. Protect yourself from all these calamities by one swift operation; you will remain devoted entirely to yourself, proud of such a small advantage that will make your fortune and

cause everyone to be your friend.

How would you react if you received a such a letter? At these times, age and context?

Posted: **Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:44 pm**

i would of been happy to being done young, after seen dad doing the lambs i would of liek to being done to

Posted: **Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:48 am**

It gets better!

My cousin was sterilized as a teenager many decades ago. It took jumping through legal hoops and becoming and "Emancipated Minor" through court hearings of some sort. Just a vasectomy but he knew what he wanted and bugged his physician at every visit from the time he learned what a vasectomy was.

Today, There are young transgender kids that somehow get counseling, hormones and the help they request. I've met some of them, doing volunteer work for the "Queer Prom" at the LGBT center.

I don't know how they are doing it, but I know that there is a lot of support given to them.

I just hope that future kids that want and need it get the support that they deserve.

How young it too young? If they can express it, understand it, and desire it to the extent to convince the court system. I for one will not stand in their way.

LaMarr

Posted: **Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:46 am**

erikboy (imported) wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:54 pm From history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de ... %89vremond

The letter of Charles de Saint-Evremond (c.1685) encouraging a young page called Dery to be castrated:

"Clumsy and coarse people have been talking to you bluntly about having yourself castrated: an expression so ugly and so detestable that it would have revolted anyone less sensitive than you. ["Don't call it 'mutilation.'"] As for me, ... I shall try to obtain what is best for you in a less unpleasant way, and shall indicate as gently as possible that you must have yourself "rounded off" by means of a minor operation which will ensure the delicacy of your complexion for a long time and the beauty of your voice for ever ... The advantages that follow the operation are widely recognised today, and if Monsieur Dery in his natural state could have one mistress, Monsieur Dery when rounded off could have a hundred. [Castrati were popular among noblewomen, partly because of their sterility, and they were able to have sex to some extent.] ... You will have no wife, so you will be exempt from something very bad, You will be happy at at having no wife, happier still at having no children. Monsieur Dery's daughter would get herself pregnant, his son would get himself hanged and, what is most certain, his wife would make him a cuckold. Protect yourself from all these calamities by one swift operation; you will remain devoted entirely to yourself, proud of such a small advantage that will make your fortune and

cause everyone to be your friend.

How would you react if you received a such a letter? At these times, age and context?

I hope none is embarassed for my answer.

I'd have put my body at his disposition to have myself rounded off...

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:50 am**

It's an interesting question. Here is my take on it. The desire for sex is so strong in most men that they tend to see all (or almost all) other males as potential rivals. Men even feel that way about boys of 9 or 10, for although the boys are not yet fully capable they will be in just a few years and by the time they are 16 or 17 they will be at the peak of their sexual performance and the old guys will be cast aside.

Castration would render a boy powerless to make love and yet he would still be a useful member of society. For many men that might seem like a good thing. Less competition for them. It's quite possible that a doctor who (if it was acceptable) performed castrations on young boys might get a thrill from doing so. He might even suggest or encourage castration for boys in cases in which there would be little or no benefit. That's a possibility that I'm sure makes people very uncomfortable.

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