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Posted: **Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:30 am**

much of the ground has been covered.

nearly everyone has picked up on bone density issues. they are real and, the younger you are, the more you should think about this as a long term concern.

i think "energy" and how one feels are different for everyone. i went off my HRT for a while and didn't notice a major difference in energy before and after, but maybe I'm just lazy or something anyway.

the other area is muscle mass. testosterone assists in muscle development. without it, there will be a difference; once again, the degree is probably a function of the individual, but it will happen. i noticed a change in what i am going to call "skin tone" after restarting the testosterone and i think it is a function of underlying muscle tone.

without testosterone, you will probably have bigger breasts. i'm not sure of the physiology of this, but i think that fat deposits more readily in the breasts without testosterone; i am, however, open to being corrected on exactly how this happens. but it does.

of course, most body hair will stop growing. your facial hair growth will slow, but not stop completely.

Posted: **Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:51 pm**

Been without T for almost 8 years. Have been on estrgen and got feminized. Doctor suggested that I try plant estrogens. These are for post menopausal women. You can find a selection at any health food store or larger pharmacy. I have taken calcium supplements and bone mass is good per the doc. Upper body strength is very low. Get used to it! Proper exercise is the key to staying in shape. The plant based estrogens keep the hot flashes and irritability under control and allow me to control mood swings.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:33 pm**

I tried going without HRT after being castrated, but couldn't do it. Depression got me, so I started a low dose regimen until I found a level that I was comfortable with, between 100-150mg's. Normal male is anywhere between 300-1000, or so I'm told. I do get erections, though nothing like before. I use compounded testosterone made at a compounding pharmacy. I pay $60.00 for a two month supply, but insurance pays the others $60. I don't think $30. bucks is bad, especially since some smokers pay more than that for their habit. I may eventually try to stop HRT, but I am not sure when. To each his own.

Posted: **Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:23 am**

Here's something that I want to share with everyone. Since being surgically castrated, I am having difficulty doing the daily Sudoku puzzles in the newspaper. Crossword puzzle solving is not affected. It seems as if my math/logic/3D thinking has been altered or diminished by a lack of Testosterone.

I know that there is a difference in the male versus female brain with regards to logic and math ability. How much difference does Testosterone make?

Does anyone else report having such an experience?

Posted: **Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:40 am**

I can't do Sudoku puzzles since I've been castrated. But, I couldn't do them before castration. I do find that I have problems using unfamiliar maps and charts when I'm not using testosterone. Keep in mind that I use very small amounts of testosterone - not enough to test anywhere near normal but just enough to keep some small problems at bay. --FLO--

Posted: **Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:52 am**

Kangan (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:23 am Here's something that I want to share with everyone. Since being surgically castrated, I am having difficulty doing the daily Sudoku puzzles in the newspaper. Crossword puzzle solving is not affected. It seems as if my math/logic/3D thinking has been altered or diminished by a lack of Testosterone.

I know that there is a difference in the male versus female brain with regards to logic and math ability. How much difference does Testosterone make?

Does anyone else report having such an experience?

I dont know, but I do know I was alot smarter before I recieved my lower testosterone, I just seemed so aware and so smart and now I feel like so dead like nothing matters, it seems the days drag on and nothing matters anymore

I almost feel like a female in the sense I dont have that logical thinking anymore where females are more about emotions and guys are more about logic, definetly miss that along with all the other benefits of a higher testosterone

Posted: **Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:55 pm**

notalife (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:52 am I dont know, but I do know I was alot smarter before I recieved my lower testosterone, I just seemed so aware and so smart and now I feel like so dead like nothing matters, it seems the days drag on and nothing matters anymore

I almost feel like a female in the sense I dont have that logical thinking anymore where females are more about emotions and guys are more about logic, definetly miss that along with all the other benefits of a higher testosterone

My advice is to have yourself checked for depression. Some of your physical symptoms could also stem from that cause. --FLO--

Posted: **Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:56 am**

Uncle Flo (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:55 pm My advice is to have yourself checked for depression. Some of your physical symptoms could also stem from that cause. --FLO--

perhaps I suffer from that as well as well of a life of regret and pain but i know I have a very low test now just based on how I feel, I just dont know how some of you are able to function without hrt, I feel dead now I would like to function as I hate taking medication/supplements but my body is basically telling me to die or stay away from society

Posted: **Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:01 pm**

Regarding "I feel dead now..........."

Due to some outpatient surgery and recovery I did not apply my testosterone gel for 10 days. WOW. I was amazed at how tired and run down I got. It was not just as simple as being tired, it was more like totally worn out, deflated, exhausted, not wanting to do anything. The exhaustion was mental, physical, and emotional.

It took about 7 days from time I stopped the gel until the negative impact of low T started to affect me.

I am back on schdule now. It only took 3 days to get rid of the run down, run over feelings.

True, without the gel I felt calmer, and lost EMHO (early morning hard on). That was fine. But the heavy duty 3 way exhaustion (mental, emotional, physical) made for a very unacceptable quality of life. Maybe it is something that one can work through and get over with in time but I won't dare to find out.

I was surprised as how relatively quickly stopping and re-starting T gel had an impact.

Notalife: When you are down and out it is hard to pick yourself up, but do try. It's worth the effort. Feeling good is worth the effort.

Posted: **Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:10 am**

No depression here, thank goodness! Also, no observable loss of energy. But my logic center doesn't seem to function as well as it used to. Otherwise, I am just as ornery as alwyas - no "eunuch calm" at least not yet.

Posted: **Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:21 am**

I'm going to sound like that broken record but here goes....

For me my Low Testosterone almost = Depression diagnosis and serious meds. I know there are exceptions to the rule but most men with low to no testosterone are going to feel awful. Its a good reason to speak to your doctor and get on a good form of HRT.

If I understand this right depression that is "cured" by HRT is not the same sort of depression as a typical mental patient has. If you go on HRT for a while and it doesn't help then by all means look into mental health care solutions. But do HRT first.

Posted: **Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:56 am**

Kangan (imported) wrote: Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:10 am No depression here, thank goodness! Also, no observable loss of energy. But my logic center doesn't seem to function as well as it used to. Otherwise, I am just as ornery as alwyas - no "eunuch calm" at least not yet.

Don't tell me I don't have eunuch calm, damit!!! --FLO--

Posted: **Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:17 pm**

thirtysleuths (imported) wrote: Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:29 pm Succinctly, I couldn't deal with the hot flashes, fatigue or malaise. They were more powerful and crushing to me than I would have imagined. I'm on low doses of estrogen and progesterone now, and feeling pretty darned good!

My lack of motivation--that's something else altogether!

Glad to hear you are feeling well some type of HRT would normally be needed by your body for your well being.

Posted: **Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:05 pm**

dancinggizmos (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:54 am Without any Testosterone in my system being 24 now, it is very hard.

I am on 10 mg of Testosterone gel which has been helping, I guess I have to be patient for the other effects to tak
notalife (imported) wrote: Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:56 am e place.

I have no longer been though depressed.

perhaps I suffer from that as well as well of a life of regret and pain but i know I have a very low test now just based on how I feel, I just dont know how some of you are able to function without hrt, I feel dead now I would like to function as I hate taking medication/supplements but my

body is basically telling me to die or stay away from society

I can understand how you feel antisocial after having such a problem of this, I felt the same way for a long time, find somone you can talk to counceling may help a Psychologist or Psychatrist may understand as well, this can be quite difficult to deal with however, I would not let it bring you down to a low level like this and hope that you can life yourself up.

It can be very dissapointing and if your hormones just dropped off the edge like this perhaps the Dr's can help get you more back to normal, this is something that took a little while some guys have a complete recovery partial and almost always the Dr can try and help you or refer you to another who can. I remember you saying that you did not want injections Testosterone etc perhaps something can be done to help you with this however I would definatley not give up and take a day at a time. More guys like us exist at younger ages, so you are not alone, and you should feel welcome here, I know you had said you do not know if this is a place for you, I think it could be very helpful and a good place to gain knowledge as well as support from others it is nice to meet somone in a similar or same situation you have been in or were in and try to help them out.

Posted: **Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:41 am**

I forgot to mention earlier that I have lots of hot flashes. The worst ones come at night and interfere with sleep. They do seem to be calming down somewhat after almost 6-weeks.

Posted: **Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:39 pm**

The symptoms I experienced when I had a low T count are labeled with a / L , and

The symptoms I am experiencing now, on testosterone gel, are labeled with a / T.

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Effects of low testosterone in men may include: (not all are present in any single individual)

Word Finding difficulty / L

Dry Skin

Cracking nails / L

Fatigue / L / T

Muscle loss/atrophy / L

Frequent urination without infection / T

Getting up at night to urinate / L / T

Dementia-like memory loss / L

Poor sleep secondary to achy muscles / L

Poor libido / L

Erectile Dysfunction / L

Increasing weight

Glucose intolerance (early diabetes)

Cholesterol/Lipid abnormalities / L / T

Slight increase size of breasts

Depression

Anxiety / L

Hot flashes / L

Decrease in beard and body hair growth

Loss of bone mass (osteoporosis ) ??

Difficulty concentrating / L VERY MUCH A PROBLEM

Irritability / L VERY MUCH A PROBLEM

Psychological and relationship problems

Anaemia

Infertility (already was)

Decrease in firmness of testicles (on T gel: decrease in size, increase in firmness, numb)

Impaired growth of the penis and testicles (penis shrank when T was low)

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To anyone wanting to be castrated I think this list illustrates a menu of side effects that you may have not known about.

Posted: **Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:16 am**

nullorchis (imported) wrote: Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:39 pm The symptoms I experienced when I had a low T count are labeled with a / L , and

The symptoms I am experiencing now, on testosterone gel, are labeled with a / T.

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Effects of low testosterone in men may include: (not all are present in any single individual)

Word Finding difficulty / L

Dry Skin

Cracking nails / L

Fatigue / L / T

Muscle loss/atrophy / L

Frequent urination without infection / T

Getting up at night to urinate / L / T

Dementia-like memory loss / L

Poor sleep secondary to achy muscles / L

Poor libido / L

Erectile Dysfunction / L

Increasing weight

Glucose intolerance (early diabetes)

Cholesterol/Lipid abnormalities / L / T

Slight increase size of breasts

Depression

Anxiety / L

Hot flashes / L

Decrease in beard and body hair growth

Loss of bone mass (osteoporosis ) ??

Difficulty concentrating / L VERY MUCH A PROBLEM

Irritability / L VERY MUCH A PROBLEM

Psychological and relationship problems

Anaemia

Infertility (already was)

Decrease in firmness of testicles (on T gel: decrease in size, increase in firmness, numb)

Impaired growth of the penis and testicles (penis shrank when T was low)

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To anyone wanting to be castrated I think this list illustrates a menu of side effects that you may have not known about.

Well, that pretty much covers it. --FLO--

Posted: **Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:47 pm**

I dont understand how anyone is able to go through life free of hormones, I feel like I am in absolute hell now, I have a feeling I will need to be going on something soon

Posted: **Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:26 am**

Talk to your Doctor today. Get on SOME sort of HRT. This just sounds awful... And for what its worth I couldn't stand even LOW hormones.

Posted: **Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:47 am**

And to think people have their pets neutered. It seems with some animals, it doesn't bother very much, and some get sick as fuck and stay that way for life. My mother let me watch her Dachshund, and he was neutered. He seemed like he felt sick all the time. So I started giving him HRT, and had some astonishing results in his mental health and physical energy. I'm not saying I'm against it for personal choice, but I am against it if it's against a person's will. (or animals) You now that some vets have to put dogs on HRT because they stay sick with weird symptoms? But, as usual, I'm getting off topic... My point is that THIS is tyranny, and apparently, its OK to do against people....

Posted: **Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:36 am**

HRT is unnecessary for me. No difference before and after. But then I never had a lot of balls in the first place. I can still sing altosoprano same as before. And my math and other skills have not deteriorated. My map reading skills remain better than 99.9% of the US population and 75% of the world population.

Posted: **Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:18 pm**

is it possible to not get fat while not taking HRT, the only thing I want to do now is eat, probably some biological reason since sex is out of the question the next greatest pleasure in life is food

Posted: **Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:21 am**

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notalife (imported) wrote: Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:18 pm is it possible to not get fat while not taking HRT

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With a regular exercise regime and a healthy diet it is probably quite possible to stay thin.

Before castration my weight stayed right around 155lbs -- now it seems stuck at 210. :O

Posted: **Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:12 pm**

I am sure with a healthy diet and some active lifestyle or exercise you can maintain a good body weight.

Posted: **Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:51 pm**

Besides diet and exercise, has any eunuch tried any diet pills for weight loss? As a eunuch my metabolism has slowed and I am 51 too, so my weight is creeping up. I am considering trying something to speed up my metabolism. I realize that we might not be able to say what the products are specifically, but I need some extra help.

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