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skivvynine (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:22 pm there is no country called Holland. Holland is a providence of the Netherlands. It is like making Texas and The US synonymous. I have a degree in Geography. The countries should be called by their correct names. ...

Nevertheless, Holland, though a province of the Netherlands, has (by synecdoche) been the English name for the country for hundreds of years. Perhaps you could also reprove those who use the word vagina to refer to all of the vulva, or scold those who refer to the federal executive of the USA by the fairly broad term America or the guvment, or you could castigate anyone who uses metonomy at any time.

The common English name for the Hellenic Republic (Elliniki Dimokratia) is Greece; the common English name for the kingdom of Saudi Arabia (Al-Mamlaka al-Arabiya as-Saudiya) is Saudi Arabia; the common English name for the German republic (Bundesrepublik Deutschland) is Germany; the common English name for the kingdom of Sweden (Konungariket Sverige) is Sweden. When people of these and numerous other countries decide to pronounce the proper names of towns and countries in the English-speaking world as they are locally, then I for one might consider using their terminology for their places. Until then I shall stick with, for instance, the understandable English names of Copenhagen instead of København, Munich instead of München, Rome instead of Roma, Japan instead of Nihon, Bangkok instead of Krung Thep Maha Nakhon, and even L.A. instead of El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles de Porciúncula, and so forth.

So, with all the good intent of the law, let's see what actually happens when you have laws like this.

http://news.cnet.com/Police-blotter-Tee ... 57857.html

Here we have two teenagers, taking pictures of themselves and the girl sent them to the personal e-mail account of the boy. How this came to the attention of the authorities is not exactly clear. The speculation is that the boy's mother wanted to end the relationship and turned them in, apparently not realizing what she was letting them in for. They were charged and convicted of producing, distributing and possession of child pornography, and because there was the possibility that someone else might have seen the pictures at some time in the future the appeals court upheld the conviction as meeting the letter of the law.

It seems that the Law of Unintended Consequences applies over all.

For those of you who enjoy reading legalese, I present Canada vs. Beattie (http://www.ontariocourts.on.ca/decision ... C41354.htm).

If you do not enjoy reading legalese, allow me to summarize.

In Canada, as in a growing number of other countries, it has been ruled that fictional stories may indeed fall under the definition of child pornography. In this case in particular, a new trial was ordered on the basis of that judgement. Currently, I cannot find any information on if a retrial was held, or what the outcome may have been.

Intellectually, I agree with IE and others who defend the erotica on the basis of thought not being prosecutable (and I believe that it shouldn't be). HOWEVER. As a parent, I am squicked out by it entirely. I will say that I feel there is a world of difference between a 17-year-old and a 7-year-old, even in fictional writing, but in most cases I am not entirely comfortable with either. My ickiness meter may be set a little lower than everyone else's due to some things my family has dealt with, but I have no interest in ever reading any child/pre-teen erotica.

fredericlei (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:30 pm Nevertheless, Holland, though a province of the Netherlands, has (by synecdoche) been the English name for the country for hundreds of years. Perhaps you could also reprove those who use the word vagina to refer to all of the vulva, or scold those who refer to the federal executive of the USA by the fairly broad term America or the guvment, or you could castigate anyone who uses metonomy at any time.

The common English name for the Hellenic Republic (Elliniki Dimokratia) is Greece; the common English name for the kingdom of Saudi Arabia (Al-Mamlaka al-Arabiya as-Saudiya) is Saudi Arabia; the common English name for the German republic (Bundesrepublik Deutschland) is Germany; the common English name for the kingdom of Sweden (Konungariket Sverige) is Sweden. When people of these and numerous other countries decide to pronounce the proper names of towns and countries in the English-speaking world as they are locally, then I for one might consider using their terminology for their places. Until then I shall stick with, for instance, the understandable English names of Copenhagen instead of København, Munich instead of München, Rome instead of Roma, Japan instead of Nihon, Bangkok instead of Krung Thep Maha Nakhon, and even L.A. instead of El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles de Porciúncula, and so forth.

Bravo ! English is a peoples language. A language where

common use rules and not some academy.

BTW, I still call Burma, Burma, although I know where that

other place is too.

coinflipper_21 (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:24 am So, with all the good intent of the law, let's see what actually happens when you have laws like this.

http://news.cnet.com/Police-blotter-Tee ... 57857.html

Here we have two teenagers, taking pictures of themselves and the girl sent them to the personal e-mail account of the boy. How this came to the attention of the authorities is not exactly clear. The speculation is that the boy's mother wanted to end the relationship and turned them in, apparently not realizing what she was letting them in for. They were charged and convicted of producing, distributing and possession of child pornography, and because there was the possibility that someone else might have seen the pictures at some time in the future the appeals court upheld the conviction as meeting the letter of the law.

It seems that the Law of Unintended Consequences applies over all.

Well, then!

Maybe the courts should get an '800' number, since they seem to be able to tell fortunes and see the future.

If I was that couple, the old BITCH would NEVER see her grandchildren. (Probably, because we'd have to go to Mexico before the Child Protective services would allow us to keep our own children.)

This is STUCKING FUPID!