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Thanks for the info sduyck_2000. This seems to prove that it works anyway. Presumably if there were complications with the Burdizzo method the doctor's in question would have had to include info about that in the report?

I agree consideredit. It is always be best if a procedure is done by someone with a proper training. I'm not even sure if the Burdizzo method is taught in veterinary college. I would hope so, but the fact that Burdizzos are sold by farm supplies companies makes me think that it's a method used by stockholders rather than vets.

I'm not sure if this is going anywhere for us though, as castration seems to be losing favour as a treatment against prostate cancer. I understand that the reasons are that androgen deprivation only holds the cancer off for a limited period, and as men are usually so upset by the idea of being physically castrated, giving them chemical androgen blockers for a while (at least until the cancer progresses) is much less of a traumatic for them. There might be a case for Burdizzo use in gender reassignment, but my understanding is that when M2F subjects are being evaluated they are usually encouraged to live a year or so dressing 'as a woman', and maybe taking testosterone blockers and oestrogen so that they can get the feel of it, before anything irreversable is done surgically - and the Burdizzo method is irreversable. When M2F SRS is done, the Burdizzo would not be used because the testes are removed. So I think the greatest future for the Burdizzo method for men is in M2E castrations and this is where we come in handy as source of a potential volunteer group for further research into the safe use of this method.

However, all this is pretty meaningless until we can be sure that castration per-se is a sensible for any of us. As we know, a lot of guys on this forum have been castrated by one method or another: Some deeply regret it, some don't. And of those that don't, many are using testosterone replacement therapy, and have made the firm (and quite sensible) decision not to regret what they've done, on the basis that it is better not to live with regret, and to instead learn to live with whatever mistakes you've made and try to be positive, etc. So, perhaps until the negative side effects of castration can be dealt with more easily, we should not be so keen to get the positive benefits - the main one for us perhaps being lowering of sex drive. This last paragraph is perhaps a little negative about castration because of my uncertainty about it being right for me, so I probably ought to end it on a more positive note - I think that in cases where castration is 'the way forward' the Burdizzo method deserves to be given a fair trial as it may prove to be safer than surgical castration - provided it's done by someone who know how to do it right.

in the conclusions at the end of the article it says

the burdizzo has proved to be simpler and a safer method than BO

they also named the use of the burdizzo the cat method...clamp ablation of testicles

sduyck_2000 (imported) wrote: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:41 pm in the conclusions at the end of the article it says

the burdizzo has proved to be simpler and a safer method than BO

they also named the use of the burdizzo the cat method...clamp ablation of testicles

'CAT METHOD' - I like that I guess that's a way of distancing their use of this 'tool' from association with the veterinary world - quite understandable and sensible I guess, because most people would freak if they were offered castration by Burdizzo then they look it up on the web and find pictures of farmers and goats, etc. and/or they read that description on Wiki! OMG :shakemitk

Maybe we should start calling it the CAT method too?

CAT method. I instantly got this image of a "cat" eating someones testicles while still attached.... Ouch!

That wouldn't be very hygenic Ramses But I'm sure they must be tasty

sduyck_2000 (imported) wrote: Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:07 am i got my pdf document

hardly seems worth 4 dollars

i can email it ..no way to copy and paste it here ..thats not allowed..copyright infringment..wont allow copy and paste

any way doctor did 7 men bilateral orchiectomy

and......another 7 men with the burdizzo...5 were complete success ..2 were failures and were done again with success

60 seconds each side...not long enough...i hope someone tells him

its just a short article but gets to the facts

its not possible to send files in private message is it??

The clamping was only done once per side? How about anesthetic?

I am not going to give you any advice about the burdizzo as I never used one or even have it in my hands. Just hear about all the doubts of using it.

I can tell you something about pain. Pain can grow to levels that make someone fade, or in shock even die. But there is a maximum as our nerves can not send more.

If you want (really want) to do something like that, you should prepare very carefull on that pain. You need to consider that maximum, accept it, and you have to become one with that pain before you even start it. It sounds hard to believe, but if you manage that, on painlevel you can take anything.

So if you make that choise, please make sure that the pain cannot surprice you or scare you.

My memory- or anything else for that matter- is not as good as it used to be, but I am sure that the "medical" report surfaced some years ago, and many of us raised doubts regarding the basis for the findings contained, let alone any conclusions reached.

I still stand by what I said before that as a method of castration for humans, it is not very good. The cords in humans are different in animals, they are more elastic for a start and will therefore recover from being crushed and allow the blood to flow.

However, if the tool is held shut for a good period, the lack of blood flow will then do the trick- but eventually, a matter of hours or even days. Seconds or minutes even, simply does NOT work!

Cheers

Quillman UK

sduyck_2000 (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:43 am after a long conversation with a doctor at wayne university about his experiments with the burdizzo

Castrating humans can be done

it requires a excellent knowledge of anatomy

and what to clamp and not clamp

the most important thing the researcher stressed was keeping the clamp closed for 10 minutes on each cord

also ..some men do not have the right anatomy for this device

he has had a 100 percent success rate so far

as far as pain ...it is painful..it is painless under the anesthetic used for a vasectomy

Is there any way to get him to elaborate on what to clamp and what not to clamp (And where to clamp, and what have you)....Has he written a paper on the subject? It is available online?

PlaceboZero (imported) wrote: Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:18 pm Is there any way to get him to elaborate on what to clamp and what not to clamp (And where to clamp, and what have you)....Has he written a paper on the subject? It is available online?

Yes there is a PDF some place, I even my have a copy of it someplace on one of the hundreds of burned CDs I have. If you search the board here you could find the thread with the link but the link could be dead from old age

_g (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:46 am Yes there is a PDF some place, I even my have a copy of it someplace on one of the hundreds of burned CDs I have. If you search the board here you could find the thread with the link but the link could be dead from old age

Be careful, the fumes from those "burned CD's" might be toxic!:D

Stay away from Burdizzos and knives. Find yourself a doctor.

it hurts like a mother fucker getting clamped without anaesthetic, but I put a towel in my mouth to bite down on when the clamp did it's deed, after the first minute my body was getting used to pain, but sure wanted that clamp off as soon as the deed was done! I wore a jockstrap for a week and used pain meds for a week. It took in total time a month for the clamp marks to heal and now don't even feel anything but can notice a blockage on the spermatic cord where the clamp was on the cord. Burdizzo does work just takes some expert to use it, don't do it yourself! stevesd

Been almost 3 months since I was castrated with the Burdizzo, although no pain meds were used, the clamp was applyed for 2 minutes each side. The testicles did shrink in size but were functional. My T Hormone levels dropped to 50ml and I went on HRT androgel topical gel for Hormones. Having a prostate check Wed, and although I only have errections because I am on hormones, will try again with a 9" smaller burdizzo this weekend, less skin will be clamped and the cord will be clamped again for 5 minutes. There is medical evidence to suggest that the Burdizzo does work in human males and has been used on Dogs as well as a form of neutering. The 9" Burdizzo tool left on for 5 minutes each side will be tried again this weekend on me! stevesd San Diego!

Very Painfull I put a towel in my mouth when a 18" Cattle Burdizzo was used on me in FEB 2012. It took a month for the clamp marks on the sack to heal.

stevesd (imported) wrote: Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:09 pm Very Painfull I put a towel in my mouth when a 18" Cattle Burdizzo was used on me in FEB 2012. It took a month for the clamp marks on the sack to heal.

Wow it seems harsh!

I can concur with what the doctor at Wayne University has stated. It has been used on Human males since the 1950's and on Dogs as well with a 100 percent effective rate. I was done in FEB 2012 and yes it was painful, I was castrated! Numb up the cords and clamp for a min of 5 minutes no more than 10 and it would be enough to start the body process. I had immediate hormone reduction to 50ML castrative levels within 1 week of the castration. I am on TRT to keep my hormone balance because I work out at the gym. stevesd San Diego

It took care of business. I have a 9" Burdizzo tool for your balls if you like?

No thanks, Steve, I have one of my own along with other tools. --FLO--