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pueros wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2002 4:01 am I agree with Ilya's comments.

What amazes me most about many of the messages in this thread are the illiberal attitudes displayed, which I find strange for a sexually liberal internet board.

Is this a particularly American phenomenon?

PUEROS

Yes, it is. It is even more particular

to the region of the country that elected

the current president (the region in

which Charlieje and I both reside).

i was a sex offender my first time i was inprison and i was voulntary casterated so i would not do it again

my balls and sac were removed.i feel much better now and i dont have urges for little boys anymore

i am now gay after what i went thru in prison i find i like men much better

i have not had a hard on since so i think casteration is a good thing

i have sex like a girl now ,i think iv found my true happeness

Thank you for your personal observations.

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Charlieje (imported) wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2002 7:58 am My point is, if someone is castrated against his will, how

> long do you

A-1 (imported) wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2002 12:09 pm

happousai (imported) wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2002 1:59 pm think it will take for him to get his hands on

> some testosterone?

What about the drug called "Gonex" which destroys th

e cells in the brain that react to testosteron

e/estrogen? Does that make it impossible for HRT to work?

From what I've read on gonex.com , it just inhibits a hormone that activates the gonads (and possibly the adrenal glands) to produce sex hormones. So it wouldn't stop direct injection of testosterone/estrogen.

madscientist (imported) wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2002 5:11 am This is a contraversial subject. Those who say it is too drastic point out that mistakes can be made. However, this does not stop the death penalty, the most drastic punishment of them all, & like castration, irreversible. There are those who say that a determined sex offender will take testosterone, thus negating the effects of the surgery. Maybe. But unless we wish to incarcerate these people for life it is really impossible to keep the truly determined from re-offending.

Having used this at the "stupid-est ever" ruse to get a surgical castraton 11 yrs. ago in Canada, I became a quasi- member of the offender community for a while. I am so _extremely_ happy that legitimate and legal methods are now available from several sources. As it was, at the time I was desperate enough to have arranged a nullification by .12 gauge, as a friend of mine had done shortly before this, as the backup plan.

In my case, once the assertion was made and after I was paraded anonymously around on talk shows, CNN and ABC (by _contract_ with a US doctor and advocate of surgical castration of sex offenders), I then had to disprove

it through rigorous testing, which I did.

The advocate had made no effort to determine actual truth of the matter, as might have been indicated by a polygraph, for instance, which I would have flunked. A messy situation. which sadly, reduces the credibility of a sincere individual's attempts to get surgical castration on the books nationwide as an option for convicted sex offenders...which I notably am not. I have no criminal record whatsoever, and am considered by therapists to have been in a dissassociative state related to a PTSD during some of this. I could write a book just on the weird twists my life took.

I'm confirmed to be gay, I take RX testosterone, and have mostly gotten past this damaging episode. Telling you all about it is part of my coming out process.

Taking Brian DeVries for example, an individual who was convicted of molesting 10 or more children: in California, serious offenders are committed to a mental institution and have very little actual prospect of ever getting out. Because of Constitutional issues, authorities have to at least try, and Devries' release is because of that.

You can be sure that someone in his position has undergone extremely thorough treatment and testing. Treatment plans can include aversion therapy using stimulating visual and/or auditory imagry and the penile plethysmograph, which detects arousal patterns, and polygraph. Intense psychotherapy intended to produce victim empathy and "breaking the chain of addiction" is common. Some of the techniques are not unlike mind control methods, in that they are intended to produce meek and compliant non-offenders (that's from second hand information).

Many offenders in the California program are opting for (or perhaps are requried to get) chemical castration during the lengthy treatment process, and a handful have graduated to surgical castration. I understand the drug they're using has unpleasant side effects. Surgical castration is not supposed to be considered in any legal decision regarding release, however.

From my perspective, surgical castration is probably going to be of great benefit to these guys...but only as part of theraputic management, which is ongoing after release.

Having experienced a tiny bit of this in a very unusual way, I

worry about the high profile guys like DeVries who will be released. The public is in a frenzy, in spite of the fact that he is likely to be pretty harmless at this point. He is probably not safe wherever he lives, and that knowledge will certainly intrude on his "eunuch calm".

(Note: post edited to remove the phrase "de facto" ("in fact") in re: my status as a member of the "offender community". Since we're talking about legal matters here, it's important to clarify that I never was one, but that I agreed to make media appearances in support of surgical castration of offenders. This was a condition of the advocate's referral to the surgeon who performed my surgical castration). There's a moral to this story: even the very desperate need to use their noggins.

Eu John (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2002 5:39 pm This is a question that I have been asked several times in the many years that I have been a Eunuch. My answer is yes providing the accused is a repeat offender. I realize that not all of you here are actually Eunuchs, so it may be difficult for one who is not to understand how one of us feels. Fortunately, I have several fellow Veteran friends who are also Eunuchs and we have discussed this and seem to share pretty much the same feelings and desires regarding sex or our lack thereof. Being able to understand how an individuals life would be after he is gelded makes us agree that this sort of operation should be performed on such an offender. I hope this has been of help.

I think that voluntary castration and some jail time could be the answer. It shows that the perhaps the individual recognises his problem and wants to deal with it. Some psychiatric help in jail would help in addition.

madscientist (imported) wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2002 5:11 am This is a contraversial subject. Those who say it is too drastic point out that mistakes can be made. However, this does not stop the death penalty, the most drastic punishment of them all, & like castration, irreversible. There are those who say that a determined sex offender will take testosterone, thus negating the effects of the surgery. Maybe. But unless we wish to incarcerate these people for life it is really impossible to keep the truly determined from re-offending.

I beleive it should be optional, and in leu of jail time and complete nullo.With no gear all the hormones in the world won't do any good. Rape might be about power but it is the penis that is the instrument of destruction. I bet the "former rapist now nullo" would soon forget about his former power trip and probably be on the road to a more useful life thus saving the public purse a fortune. It has been done before (California) with a great deal of success.

Yoli here, from Sunny San Antonio,

Tramp,

Unless I misread your post, you stated that California had performed nullification on sex offenders. I understand that "nullification" means loss of the penis as well as the testicles. So, or you actually saying that the complete procedure has been performed in CA? I work in the legal profession, as a law office manager/paralegal, and have NEVER heard or seen any evidence of any state in the USA inflicting such a punishment/preventative or offering that option to a sex offender.

As female who is, for understandable (I hope, LOL) reasons, interested in castration, I would not be against such extreme measures in certain cases. Still, I will need more empirical (Case notes, publications, etc) evidence before I believe that ANY state has ordered or "bargained" for total emasculation.

If that is, in fact, an option...I wanna watch! LOL.

Love to all, especially Uncle MacWolfie,

Yolanda

Your Raving Roving Reporter

I am one that feel sex offenders should be castrated our famley has had to suffer because of a man that was trusted took advantage of a young person.I feel that if thies people were punished they would think twice befor they acted knowing their fate.I think the real crime is that the offender gets a little jail time for his power trip and the victem suffers for the rest of her or his life where is the justice their.

I dont want to be cruel to thies people but this is a crime that just wont go away for the victem and the famley

I despise sex offenders of any kind but particularly pedophiles. The only punishment for vermin of that nature should be a .38 hollow-point in the back of their head or public execution by hanging.

Castration should not be an option as it does not solve the problem. Sexual offenders/pedophiles CANNOT be cured. They are sexual predators and will always be sexual predators.

Their nature would remain regardless of castration or complete nullification; however, what would happen is that their psychological impulse/desires/fantasies would have no sexual outlet and that would result in violent attempts to sate their impulses.

Castration of child molesters...

You're cutting the wrong end. It is the (big) head that needs to go, then everything else will take care of itself...

A-1

A-1 - Right on, I'm with you! Beheading child molesters guarantees they won't commit another offense.

Taylor (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:33 am A-1 - Right on, I'm with you! Beheading child molesters guarantees they won't commit another offense.

I agree Taylor that treatment of child molesters and pedophiles should include punishment as well as treatment to ensure they can't carry out perverted acts again. Chemical castration isn't permanent and needs to be supervised for the rest of the offender's lifetime. Surgical castration at least is permanent and is also punatitive. Chemical castration certainly removes the testosterone in the body, getting rid of unwanted sexual urges, and stopping erections and ejaculations. It also causes the penis and testicles to shrink. But if the treatment is stopped, the urges return.

BoySteve (imported) wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:25 am I agree Taylor that treatment of child molesters and pedophiles should include punishment as well as treatment to ensure they can't carry out perverted acts again. . . . Surgical castration at least is permanent and is also punatitive. .

. . Only if it includes both castration and penectomy.

I don't think castration or nullification is appropriate for sex offenders. Not only does that cast those who choose castration or nullification in a negative light, it simply doesn't solve the problem.

Sex offenders should either be permanently incarcerated or executed. Hell, I'd volunteer to be the executioner. I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep because those who commit such horrid acts have forever surrendered their humanity and their place in society.

In a previous post i told of how a famley friend took advantage of my child well he also took advantage of his sons child and it was with great joy that the son was the person that was able to pull the plug on this usless garbage of a man.

The smile on his sons face said it all............. it is sad but fitting

sag111 (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2004 10:58 pm In a previous post i told of how a famley friend took advantage of my child well he also took advantage of his sons child and it was with great joy that the son was the person that was able to pull the plug on this usless garbage of a man.

The smile on his sons face said it all............. it is sad but fitting

What happened to this sex offender? You say the family of his victims 'pulled the plug' on him - was he surgically castrated or killed? What happened?

Sad to say this man wasent prosecuited by his victoms because my child and others were to tramtised to go to court with this and at the time i honered my childs wishes since this person had been through so much already.Now looking back on it i am not sure i did the right thing and if i had it to do all over i think i would have hired a good council and gone ahead anyway but as the famley has grown so have i.

This man died alone from heart problems with no contact from his famley since he destroyed his famley also call it justice if you want but he did pay a price by loosing his kids to.

I somtimes feel i should have just shot the bastard heck i would be out by now. The time i have spent working this over in my mind has been hard on me and my famley but we finaley have closer on this he cant hert anymore.

Dam if this dosent hert just typing this and it happened 25 years ago

hmm maybe we should love one another more and change some laws and stop all the hate! castration is not the ansewer!

Well Revolyob i dont see castration of sex offenders as hate but when thay molest your kids as he did mine i feel that the offender has lost his right to do that again and i see more hate in what he done than letting him mess up another famley as he did ours.I didnt hate this man i forgave him and he just laughted at me so whers that hate from me

revolyob (imported) wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2004 2:03 pm hmm maybe we should love one another more and change some laws and stop all the hate! castration is not the ansewer!

I personally favor going back to trial by ordeal and duel. We don't need all these laws to operate our current uncivilized civil society.

awen

Sometimes we all rush to judgement! Sometimes we allow anger and prejudices to make decissions. I kinda see this in the posts here. In not saying your wrong or right, I am just pointing out that sometimes think time needs to happen and process time needs to happen before we make a judgement.

Now... How many of us either are castrated or are wanna be's??? Why should a criminal be allowed to have such a valuable and loved proceddure happen to him, when all of us fight for the "Eunuch Calm", or transgender, or other choices????

My thoughts are a bit more creative than those standared ones posted. One thing to do would be DO NOT CUT OFF THE BALLS. LEAVE THEM! CUT OFF THE PENIS of sex offenders. The desire will drive them crazy and torture them as they did to their victums. They will never be able to relieve themselves again. Along with this is also the removal of the prostate gland.

For those out there who may reply and say well they still get their jollies off by doing oral rape or other things... Well hows about one jail, high security where there is no parole, everyone has had a penectomy and a uretrhral rerout too. Why do prisnors have rights anyway, when they risk and take the rights away from their victums. THINK ABOUT IT!!!!! sCOTTIE

sag111 (imported) wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2004 2:23 pm Well Revolyob i dont see castration of sex offenders as hate but when thay molest your kids as he did mine i feel that the offender has lost his right to do that again and i see more hate in what he done than letting him mess up another famley as he did ours.I didnt hate this man i forgave him and he just laughted at me so whers that hate from me

I dont see castration of sex offenders as hate

either - helps them not to inflict their hate on others in future.

This reminds me of the "Little Rascals" case in North Carolina. You may recall that this involved a day care center-- several members of the staff, and others peripherally connected with the center, were convicted of child abuse. The case was a more or less obvious railroad by an overzealous prosecutor. The children who accused them appeared to have had the accusations suggested to them by counselors.

My point is, not all the people who are convicted of child abuse, are actually guilty. It's probably better not to use drastic punishments in this area of corrections.

An Onyums this is exactly why i would never be picked on a jury trying a sex offender it is to close to my famley and yes i would probley convect on my emotions and not the facts.

Sorry but this is what bad people do to you when they hert you