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happousai (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2002 4:40 am I just had a thought:

If a boy is born without testicles, and then goes on HRT, does that mean he'll be dependent on (and presumably have to pay for?) HRT for the rest of his life in order to avoid osteoperosis?

(Does anyone know whether osteoperosis affects the Hijra from India, btw?)

If the boy without testicles goes on HRT to initiate puberty, he will need testosterone

happousai (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2002 4:40 am HRT for the rest of his life

to avoid osteoporosis. Not much research seems to have been done on those who do NOT use HRT, since there are so few of them. I believe most parents and doctors will initiate puberty by HRT if it hasn't started by age 16, and the heck with the boy's consent.

Now the Italian castrati, castrated before puberty, seemed to have lived very long lives without problems with osteoporosis. Perhaps the body adjusts somehow when puberty fails to start? As noted, very scant data on this subject.

As for the Hijra of India, some are castrated before puberty, some after, but again nobody seems to be keeping medical records. I would assume that those castrated after puberty are indeed at risk from osteoporosis, but how many would live long enough for that to become a problem?

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Andrew (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2002 5:25 am I believe most parents and doctors will initiate puberty

> by HRT if it hasn't started by age 16, and the heck with

> the boy's consent.

Either that, or convince the boy that he'll be miserable without HRT (people will treat him as a freak, he will be unhealthy, etc.) so that he won't physically put up a fight.

happousai (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2002 9:59 am Either that, or convince the boy that he'll be miserable without HRT (people will treat him as a freak, he will be unhealthy, etc.) so that he won't physically put up a fight.

Yeah that is the problem in society. If people could be a little understanding with difference the world would be a better place.

It has been my experience that the people at the school where the child goes will be the ones to make him miserable.

It makes no difference if it is a male or female experiencing late or delayed puberty. The child becomes so miserable that they WANT to be taken to the doctor for help. They BEG to be taken to the doctor. They exhibit behaviors at home that demand that the parent(s) or guardian take some kind of action. The doctor just does the best that they can to help the child go through puberty.

Has anyone read the book Carrie or seen the movie? Do you remember what happens to Carrie who starts menstruation in the shower in the P.E. class? Kids can be cruel. That part of the book represents how life is today.

So, if you want to gripe or complain it is time to start with society in general. It is society that has little respect. Of course, it is MUCH worse in some other places in the world than it is where we come from.

A-1

If you are raising the child as a boy, and I assume that even without testicles he has a penis, then it would be natural for him to go through puberty at the same time as other boys he knows.

It's not so much that his boyfriends tease and abuse him, it's all part of growing up. Boys see others getting hairy and stronger and they want to be just like that.

I can understand that a boy of 13 would choose to enter puberty if he could see it as the natural progression of growing up.

You must remember that not everyone has trouble growing up even with all those hormones rampaging around the body.

I also believe that part of the confusion and chaos of puberty is that the brain is also growing and developing. The human brain is still growing during puberty and there are physical changes in the brain as well as mental changes. That is why teenage boys are daredevils and risk-takers believing they are indestructable.

Dave

On the "Eunuch Archive Message Boards > General Castration Discussion > Eunuch Central" page, why does this topic keep showing up as new? It says that the Last Post is "07-07-2002 03:58 AM by Dave", but the last post is really 06-20-2002!

It's annoying to keep clicking into this topic (since it's marked as new) but not seeing any posts.

happousai (imported) wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2002 5:05 am On the "Eunuch Archive Message Boards > General Castration Discussion > Eunuch Central" page, why does this topic keep showing up as new? It says that the Last Post is "07-07-2002 03:58 AM by Dave", but the last post is really 06-20-2002!

It's annoying to keep clicking into this topic (since it's marked as new) but not seeing any posts.

I've mentioned this to Bboy and Talula before, but it may be a major flaw in the software that cannot be worked around. When somebody responds to a poll, even if they don't add a new posting, the software regards it as a new posting.

You may also notice that when you arrive at the opening page, it will tell you that there are X new messages on the Message Board. No, the actual number of REAL postings is far fewer. But the poll responses get counted as a new message. And I am not sure if even that accounts for the inflated numbers.

Still a few bugs in the system.

A fly in the ointment...

A bug in the program...

A MOTH making the relay stick...

A-1's LAW of Technology....

NO matter how advanced the technology gets there will ALWAYS be some sort of flaw present...

Remember, you heard it here first...

A-1

A-1 (imported) wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2002 3:36 pm NO matter how advanced the technology gets there will ALWAYS be some sort of flaw present.

Remember, you heard it here first

Not really. This seems to be another re-phrasing of Murphey's law and its many sequels. My own favourite is Agnes Allen's Law: That anything is easier to get into then to get out of.

"touche!"

A-1

Exactly... a postcard aint a letter but its still mail.... ( ican hear the flames headin my way already) hi guys lovely to meet you all!

...so, do you know the origin of "MURPHY'S LAW?

A-1

A-1 (imported) wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2002 9:57 am ...so, do you know the origin of "MURPHY'S LAW?

http://www.edwards.af.mil/history/docs_ ... s_law.html

Since then it has grown hugely out of proportion.

Not the same as my law of technology...

A-1

Thanks, I enjoyed that visit.

...it is a great site, isn't it?

Did ya get a load of the YB49A? (if not click the main site & explore)

You know, there has been some talk of sabotage regarding that plane. Robert Cardinas (sp) refused to do stall tests with it because it would get completely unstable in a stall and either just fall sideways, tumble end over end or spiral so violently that it would pin the pilot's arms back with tremendous G-Force. He was re-assigned to an engineering school.

After Glen Edwards crashed and there was one left flying it met a mysterious demise with landing gear failure.

Then the whole program was scrapped.

It seems that it was COMPLETELY invisible to the radars of the day and would have COMPLETELY de-stablized the Cold War if it had went into production.

A-1

plezherus (imported) wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2002 11:10 am It would be nice to see the introduction of the eunuch lifestyle into the public school system. Young boys may want to seek castration prior to puberty. Having the subject introduced at this early age would allow the individual to discuss with their parents the viablity of castration before the changes of puberty have begun.

-plezherus

For what? To keep them singing soprano forever?

Soley to provide correct information, only women and girls sing soprano.

Boys voices are "treble" until they break. Many people much prefer the purity of a good treble voice which is clear and

"heavenly". Sporano's have voices, which whilst they sing the same notes have a totally different tonal quality.

I was once a choirboy (a long time ago) and there was fierce argument across many choirs to keep them, all male.

In other words, no sporanos and only boy trebles.

Political correctness and declining interest in church music has meant that an increasing number of choirs now have soprano's too. For many listeners, this is a retrograde step and nothing

beats the sound of all male choirs - trebles/altos through to those who sing bass. It's not meant as a misogynist comment,

simply a viewpoint. Once again, to point the main fact out -

soprano's are women, boys sing treble until puberty intervenes.

plezherus (imported) wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2002 11:10 am It would be nice to see the introduction of the eunuch lifestyle into the public school system. Young boys may want to seek castration prior to puberty. Having the subject introduced at this early age would allow the individual to discuss with their parents the viablity of castration before the changes of puberty have begun.

-plezherus

I fully agree that in an ideal future world, pre-puberty castration for boys would be a completely normal option for boys that would be part of sex education classes in school and a matter for normal discussion by parents. Of course in a really ideal future world, all men would choose to be castrated anyway. Regards, Strassenbahn.

Dave (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:29 am If you are raising the child as a boy, and I assume that even without testicles he has a penis, then it would be natural for him to go through puberty at the same time as other boys he knows.

It's not so much that his boyfriends tease and abuse him, it's all part of growing up. Boys see others getting hairy and stronger and they want to be just like that.

You must remember that not everyone has trouble growing up even with all those hormones rampaging around the body.

Dave

As one of those that was presumed at the time to be a 'late bloomer,' I can say that my own personal ambitions were to be like the other kids. In my case, any special treatments were avoided when I finally began to exhibit the signs of puberty at age 15. I think I actually began earlier than that (raging and frequent hard-ons and wet dreams), but my pubes didn't begin to sprout any hair 'til then.

strassenbahn (imported) wrote: Mon Feb 09, 2004 4:49 am I fully agree that in an ideal future world, pre-puberty castration for boys would be a completely normal option for boys that would be part of sex education classes in school and a matter for normal discussion by parents.

I would have gone for this option, had it been offered to me when I was a boy!

Sac_mec (imported) wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2003 5:18 pm Soley to provide correct information, only women and girls sing soprano.

Boys voices are "treble" until they break. Many people much prefer the purity of a good treble voice which is clear and

"heavenly". Sporano's have voices, which whilst they sing the same notes have a totally different tonal quality.

I was once a choirboy (a long time ago) and there was fierce argument across many choirs to keep them, all male.

In other words, no sporanos and only boy trebles.

Political correctness and declining interest in church music has meant that an increasing number of choirs now have soprano's too. For many listeners, this is a retrograde step and nothing

beats the sound of all male choirs - trebles/altos through to those who sing bass. It's not meant as a misogynist comment,

simply a viewpoint. Once again, to point the main fact out -

soprano's are women, boys sing treble until puberty intervenes.

There still is fierce arguement to keep Church Choirs male especially Cathedral Choirs, good to hear that there is still support for this view from the UK. As for treble boys and soprano (other species!) I am reminded that boys in a golden age of recording in the 1930's were referred to "Boy Sopranos" , perhaps the treble distiction is relatively modern. The rotten bit about all this, seems to be that those awful Cathedral Choirs that have let the side down by admitting girl singers actually call girlies trebles too. Serves 'em right I suppose.

Quillman UK

ATTENTION!!

I say give the boys (and girls) a Gross of Condoms a month, instructions on safe sex and turn them loose on the world.

Anti-androgens are not realistic. Y'all are not reality-based.

Short of cutting off the necessary parts ya can't keep people from fucking.

...and it is good thing...

A-1

I cannot think of anything that is on par with a good fuck!!!!!

A-1 has the point, the vast majority of the world's people want sex, simple, plain, vanilla sex. Which is a grand treat. What we need is birth control, diease prevention, and sex ed which features both regular orgies and straight, realistic talk about both delights and consequinces.

Moreover, teaching kids that some folks are just different, and you can't change that and it's stupid to be cruel, would help.

As to Mad Scientist's origional post, frankly all reasearch shows that early puberty tends to be less stressful on males. If you were going to somehow retool puberty for males, getting everybody to start at the same time and having it be a longer mellower process would probably be the way to go. However, reality oriented sex ed would be best.

I think it should be up to the parents. Just as they have the right to choose circumcision, religion, schools, foods, where to live, etc. I believe they also have the right to decide whether or not they want grandchildren, just as they have a right to decide if they want children. Just as they have the right to argue over the clothing and hairstyles they want, etc. They should be able to do the same about sterilty, castration, etc. I don't see what the big todo is. Some people are male some female, some are tall some short, some are sexual some not, some are big some small, some are circumcised some not, some are black some are white, some are eunuchs some not, and on and on and on. No one can have it all or both ways. And I think it is up to the parents to make those how's, when's, why's and where's decisions. And I think it would be beneficial to the acceptance of diversity of all human kind.