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Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:17 am
by feedback (imported)
There have been some trials done on humans with the burdizzo, I believe The doctor did 10 or 12 people with a 90 percent success rate. Apparently no medical complications. Just can't find the article again to post it.

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:39 am
by sduyck_2000 (imported)
a-1 is wrong

human trials have been done in 10 countries now including the usa...over a 100 now in south africa

doctor at wayne university in Wisconsin i think

talked to him by phone 6 months ago..they still do the procedure for transsexuals..at a cost of 700$

i believe you can find the article by searching .. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12031390
feedback (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:17 am There have been some trials done on humans with the burdizzo, I believe The doctor did 10 or 12 people with a 90 percent success rate. Apparently no medical complications. Just can't find the article again to post it.

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:05 am
by janekane (imported)
sduyck_2000 (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:39 am a-1 is wrong

human trials have been done in 10 countries now including the usa...over a 100 now in south africa

doctor at wayne university in Wisconsin i think

talked to him by phone 6 months ago..they still do the procedure for transsexuals..at a cost of 700$

i believe you can find the article by searching .. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12031390

The PubMed.gov abstract text I found is:

1. Urology. 2002 Jun;59(6):946.

Incisionless in-office castration using a veterinary castration device (Burdizzo

clamp).

Herzog ME, Santucci RA.

Department of Urology, Wayne State University School of Medicine, Detroit,

Michigan 48167, USA.

Nonoperative ablation of the testicular artery has been described in animals

using the Burdizzo clamp, but not in humans. We report a case of incisionless

castration performed using local anesthesia, in a transsexual who wished to avoid

the pain, expense, and scar associated with the open procedure. The Burdizzo

clamp crushed the spermatic cord bilaterally, and the testis was allowed to

atrophy. The soft-tissue damage was minimal, and the serum testosterone fell to

castrate levels. This method has proved useful for castration in a transgender

patient, but could also be used for castration in patients with advanced prostate

cancer.

PMID: 12031390 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

I observe that the citation is from about 9 years ago (i.e. 2002), and I find no evidence that A-1 is wrong as to what constitutes the contemporary medically-preferred method. I have done PubMed.gov searches before, and searched for "castration" and "Burdizzo" and found the above quoted item and exactly one more, which has a 2011 date, at
21756382

Were A-1 wrong about surgery being the medically preferred method of human castration, I would expect to have found many more PubMed references to the use of Burdizzo clamping in humans.

Nonetheless, having recognized an unacceptable risk of my committing suicide by neglect of cancer risk, I really doubt that anyone could have stopped me from parting with my testicles other than by killing me first, which did not happen.

Some people have an inner sense of personal reality which is effectively untouchable by reality as defined by society. While a majority vote may deem such folks delusional or worse, I happen to have accomplished some plausibly useful research which suggests to me that a vast majority of people may harbor one or more significant delusions having life-threatening potential.

There is a ongoing scientific dialogue as to whether the traditional notion of free will and personal responsibility for choices and their consequences is biological sense or biological nonsense. I have a hunch that the "free will is a harmful mythic fiction" camp is winning the dialogue, not that actual dialogue actually has winners.

All I have been able to find are a very few, very limited studies, which I find show mixed results regarding the comparative advantages/disadvantages of surgical castration as contrasted with Burdizzo castration.

Were I asked, as an expert witness, as to which is the wiser method, everything I have learned so far would lead me to state that, whenever it is actually feasible, castration by properly-done surgical bilateral orchiectomy is biologically preferable, because of safety and long term risk issues, to Burdizzo or banding castration.

At the same time, I well recognize that social prejudice sometimes makes properly-done surgical bilateral orchiectomy not actually feasible. For my part, I seek to reduce social prejudice.

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:33 pm
by sduyck_2000 (imported)

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:29 pm
by feedback (imported)
I have a 18 inch burdizzo that has only been used once. Will send to who ever wants it. Vodka injections to care of the other one with less pain and no trauma to the cords.

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:28 pm
by A-1 (imported)
sduyck_2000 (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:33 pm a-1 had this opinion in 2003

http://www.eunuch.org/forums/showthread ... male-human

That was almost 8 years ago... I have since changed my mind.

I saw one come through the E.R. that went very, very badly. Cannot say more because of HIPPA. However, take my word for it, you do not want to 'bleed out' into your scrotum...

O.K.?

At any rate, there is a BIG difference between a licensed physician and medical professionals in an Operating Room suite and your drunken buddies and a kitchen table...

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:24 pm
by Wolf-Pup (imported)
A-1 (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:28 pm That was almost 8 years ago... I have since changed my mind.

I saw one come through the E.R. that went very, very badly. Cannot say more because of HIPPA. However, take my word for it, you do not want to 'bleed out' into your scrotum...

O.K.?

At any rate, there is a BIG difference between a licensed physician and medical professionals in an Operating Room suite and your drunken buddies and a kitchen table...

I found it profoundly silly that someone would pull a years old quite out of the closet. As if because you had a different opinion first, the current one is no longer valid. They do the same thing in politics if you're lucky your opinion evolved, if not you're a flip-flopper. I mean really, in 2003 I was still a registered Republican...I got better :)

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:36 pm
by Littledick (imported)
It would be nice if Cast1988 could keep giving us some updates on his progress.

Hope all is going well mate.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:18 pm
by Riverwind (imported)
My guess is that he went to the ER or his Doctor and is now in the hospital. I do hope he comes back and gives us an update, I do hope he is still alive.

River

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:41 am
by janekane (imported)
What I can write here is constrained by ethical human-subject-research principles, at least in part because I am a licensed professional who seeks to remain properly licensed.

Well before "HIPAA" (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, {which is sometimes typographical-error-transformed into "HIPPA"?} or, as I tend to think of it, HIPAAcrazy {pronounced Hi-pah'-cra-sea?}), I worked for a medical research institution in a department which was closely allied with a major trauma unit in a major hospital in a major metropolitan area.

For benefit of those who are true believers in HIPPA, I found a site on the Internet:

http://gneil.blogspot.com/2008/03/frida ... hippa.html

Meanwhile, I learned things during my medical research institution stint, I learned about aspects of human conduct that lead to people being in major hospital trauma units and dying there some of the time and being discharged alive some of the time.

Came time for my orchiectomy, I had a really, REALLY PROFOUNDLY, profound aversion to ending up in an emergency room or trauma unit. While violating the rules of society/culture, I chose to not violate the rules of human biology.

A variation on Hobson's/Sophie's choice theme? I could, it seemed to me, violate the rules of society/culture or I could violate my life. Rules of society/culture being, to me mere make-believes that no one had made me believe, and finding my life real, I went for reality over make-believe.

Most of the time, what works most of the time is what works most of the time. What works most of the time may not work all of the time.

Destroying my life to save it has never made intelligible sense to me.

However, there is something that really got to me during my stint working in ways associated with a major hospital trauma unit. What got to me is an observation I have found no way to challenge or refute or rebut.

Every decision/choice/event that happens is the best possible decision/choice/event at the moment of the decision/choice/event. How did I learn this notion? Because all other supposedly possible decisions/choices/events did not happen, and so, in retrospect, were actually impossible because, and perhaps only because, they did not happen.

Thus, when someone makes a decision differently than I wold make it, I attribute the difference to differences in the circumstances/situation of that person and of me.

I regard it as abusive to as-though demand that two people have circumstances/situations such that differences in decisions do not happen.

I truly hope that cast1988 is doing okay.

Alas, not everyone who was in that trauma unit did okay unless doing okay includes dying.

I reckon that I am, as is everyone else, a first-class person who is entitled to first-class medical care.

Being unwilling to be a trauma unit patient, i patiently sought out the best doctor I could find for the orchiectomy. And I patiently sought out the best doctor I could find for my colectomy. And for the duodenal polypectomy. I am now being treated for familial adenomatous polyposis risks by a doctor who works at a major university a few states from Wisconsin, because that doctor is the best one I have been able to find who is not unreasonably far from where I live.

As I have never yet met a second-class person, I figure it is getting to be time for me to go to work doing my part so every first class person (by which I mean every person, regardless of circumstances or situation) may have access to appropriate first-class care.

Alas, people with limited medical care options and financial limitations may be without any practical alternative to using an Elastrator or Burdizzo, not because they are unworthy of first-class care, but because, as I observe, of prejudice and its ilk.

A quick meander through a few Internet sites informed me that less than $30 will apparently get an Elastrator with bands and shipping, or a Burdizzo and shipping, delivered within the U.S.

How many minutes of attention from a proper physician/surgeon will $30 buy? Not everyone can afford to pay the going rates for physicians and not everyone has health insurance that will cover "voluntary" castration.

What is a person to do who is met with a desperate situation?

Is not desperation a normal condition when a person is met with a desperate situation?

When I transitioned from hospital employee to hospital patient, I had double, and part of the time, triple, insurance. I was at least as well off, in terms of medical care access, as is any long-term member of Congress.

HIPAA and its ilk fixed that for me, and I now have much more limited access to medical care than I used to have, yet it is sufficient for my needs for now.

Sorry, but I find it a tragic outrage that the sort of access I had, and even the access I now have, to proper medical care was not, and is not, available to anyone and everyone.

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:07 am
by cast1988 (imported)
i wanted to give everyone an update, tomorrow will be 1 week since my castration and alot of people said not to do it by burdizzo but i will tell you it went easy and now at age 27 i am a eunuch. The clamping marks the burdizzo left are almost not visible anymore, a little longer and you wouldn't be able to tell i was clamped. As far as my testicles they have no feeling at all, they are now soft and have lost 1/4 of there size pre burdizzo. I think they are starting to deteriorate completely

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:54 am
by experiment (imported)
cast1988 thank you for the update. your castration was certainly a high risk one and i hope all stays well. i am sure many would like to hear your progress.

you were on chemicals castration prior to the burdizzo use. were you able to have erections and orgasm prior to the burdizzo clamping? if so has anything changed post clamping?

i presume you will no longer need any chemicals in the future unless they are for offsetting the testosterone loss and physical changes associated with it.

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:53 am
by kristoff
I would be interested to know what your T level is once that anti-androgens clear your system post burdizzo. That is the only real way to tell if you have successfully castrated.

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:19 am
by cast1988 (imported)
i'm done with all chemicals now that i know the burdizzo worked. The only thing i don't like about castration is the fact i gained 8lbs. in the few months i was on depo provera and i had some breast enlargement

I plan on getting my T levels checked in 1 month

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:27 am
by Riven (imported)
As you hadn't posted much before this thread it was difficult to know if you were serious or fantasising, but it's important to give a straightforward response anyway and it's just as well that you don't seem to mind that not everyone was supportive of your plan. From what I have read it seems that there is quite a high failure rate with the Burdizzo, in that the testes often recover. I had not read any accounts of serious complications (ie. hemorrhaging) as a result of Burdizzo castration, although from what A1 said (above) it has obviously happened. Anyway, I'm relieved to read that you're going ok cast1988. Opinions on usefulness and safety of the Burdizzo seem very polarised, and I think the method is still not well enough understood so it I think it warrants more research.

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:59 pm
by curious19 (imported)
It's interesting this thread for me beacause it's possible i have it used on me after this summer. It is not definitively sure although.

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:12 am
by stair2121 (imported)
I also dream about it)

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:00 am
by sduyck_2000 (imported)
i wonder if being on chemical castration at the time the burdizzo is applied has anything to do with the success rate

i have heard your results from others of the quick shrinkage of the testicles

normally they dont shrink that fast

i didnt notice much shrinkage myself for almost 2 weeks...the ruts in the scrotum go away very fast

some have the testicles swell very large before they start to shrink
cast1988 (imported) wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:07 am i wanted to give everyone an update, tomorrow will be 1 week since my castration and alot of people said not to do it by burdizzo but i will tell you it went easy and now at age 27 i am a eunuch. The clamping marks the burdizzo left are almost not visible anymore, a little longer and you wouldn't be able to tell i was clamped. As far as my testicles they have no feeling at all, they are now soft and have lost 1/4 of there size pre burdizzo. I think they are starting to deteriorate completely

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:31 am
by SplitDik (imported)
sduyck_2000 (imported) wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:00 am i wonder if being on chemical castration at the time the burdizzo is applied has anything to do with the success rate

i have heard your results from others of the quick shrinkage of the testicles

normally they dont shrink that fast

i didnt notice much shrinkage myself for almost 2 weeks...the ruts in the scrotum go away very fast

some have the testicles swell very large before they start to shrink

I don't know for sure, but just speculating that maybe the effect depends on how well they are clamped, as well as maybe other aspects of physiology and previous history of damage. For example, if blood flow is fully restricted without any blood loss internally it seems reasonable that they would get cold and hard quickly. If blood flow is only partially restricted or if there is some bleeding internally then the might be swelling as your body tries to repair the situation. If they had already been damaged and small and chemically castrated maybe your body will sort of "give up" versus having big, active healthy balls, etc.

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:06 pm
by Pirlouit (imported)
As I see no evolution with my alcohol injections, I tried to stop blood with surgical clamp. After two tries, I finally managed to clamp the chords and left it in place for 20 min. It's certainly not recommended, I know. The process is long (it took 15 min to clamp the right and 20 for the left) and it's difficult to maintain the chords in place until you compress enough. It hurts a lot but pain can be maintained under control (for myself). Once the clamp has been secured, I felt no more pain. So it doesn't work like a burdizzo, which is rapid and hurts as hell, but it does it's job. My skin and chords weren't thicker than a cigarette paper.

When I removed the clamp, it hurt a lot in my belly for an hour. I see no swelling

I wonder what are the damages made to the testes that way.

Hope you don't think I'm crazy.

Thanks for your advices.

I'll post photos of the clamp in place on my album

Update: now after 9 hours, I can see some swelling. My scrotum is larger than normal. My testes swelled a little, but I feel no pain.

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:10 am
by Pirlouit (imported)
Doesn't seem to be possible to make this album. All my photos on the site disappeared.

So, for the members, ask and i'll see what I can do.

BTW, Swelling disappeared too. I don't think I won this battle, but I'll win the war...

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:36 am
by sduyck_2000 (imported)
you can post them to this group

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klamp9436/

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:33 pm
by Pirlouit (imported)
I've been posting them on another site, so, if interested, leave a message, i'll send the link.

I've clamped them two times more, cutting the blood flow for 30 min at each session. I've read somewhere how long it needs to kill or make enough damage to the balls like that, but don't find it anymore. so if you have the answer...?

Another spec I'd like to know is the half life of natural testosterone. How long does it take if you cut "the source" to drop to castrate levels?

Thanks for your answers and comments.

Re: Tonight i will be castrated by burdizzo

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:58 pm
by SplitDik (imported)
Pirlouit (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:33 pm I've been posting them on another site, so, if interested, leave a message, i'll send the link.

I've clamped them two times more, cutting the blood flow for 30 min at each session. I've read somewhere how long it needs to kill or make enough damage to the balls like that, but don't find it anymore. so if you have the answer...?

Another spec I'd like to know is the half life of natural testosterone. How long does it take if you cut "the source" to drop to castrate levels?

Thanks for your answers and comments.

For cutting off the blood flow, you need to research "testicular torsion" medical papers. What I read is that the testicle can live unless the blood supply is cut off for a full 24 hours. Even at 12 hours there is 50% chance of survival. It might be possible to do it a small portion at a time, but keep in mind that generally the tissue will repair.

For testosterone half-life I don't know the exact answer, but have taking a lot of steroids. With many you inject them once per week, so my feeling is the half-life is about one week. Keep in mind that getting the full effects of deprivation might be longer than that.