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Re: Final Solution to the Eunuch Question
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:13 am
by plix (imported)
Back in my early days of wanting to transition I often wondered if I was really TS. Sometimes I thought about the possibility that I could be neither male nor female. Sometimes I still do wonder that, and I also often wonder whether I could be happy as a eunuch.
However, I always go back to femininity in the end. I'm not sure what brings me there, but it's just a need I have. I think a lot of it may be that in society it is the only option other than male. It is clear I am not male, and female is the only other option society will accept.
If there were a way to present to society as a eunuch, perhaps remaining a eunuch would be something I'd really have to consider. But if I did decide to stay a eunuch, I'd still have to present to society as male, and that isn't acceptable to me.
Then there are other times when I am certain I am female and always have been. This seems to be the case the majority of the time, and so transition is where I am headed.
When I was cut, I knew it was something I needed to do, but I wasn't sure why I was doing it. I was sure I at least needed to become a eunuch but I was not sure whether I would still have any desires to become anything else. Now I have found that I still want to transition, but there is also a part of me that wants to enjoy life the way it is now. I have decided to give into the transition part.
If it were possible to present to society as a third gender and be accepted as such, I wonder how many TSs would do that instead of transition.
Re: Final Solution to the Eunuch Question
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:01 pm
by Tom Carpenter (imported)
Slammr (imported) wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:11 am
The problem with the test is that it assumes that you have trans gender issues or you wouldn't be taking the test. There are too many questions that wouldn't apply otherwise. I would like to see a similar test that just measured sexuality on a feminine -- masculine scale, leaving out all the cross dressing questions.
The only time I ever cross dressed was when I was chosen as a cheerleader for a girl's football game in high school. All the cheerleaders were boys and we all wore lipstick and bras. I wore my mother's black bra which showed up nicely under my white t-shirt.
By the way, I scored classification 2, -175
I agree with Slammr on some of the questions. There were a couple that needed a "none of the above" for me to answere correctly but overall a good test. I scored a 5 androsomthing.
For me I happy if they want to call me the "third" gender...it works.
Thanks,
T
Re: Final Solution to the Eunuch Question
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:25 pm
by philorchites (imported)
Yes, that's true about the tests. Why would you take them otherwise? I wonder if they have been given to a control group of people who never have any gender issues, if there are such people. For me, I was excited to discover that such tests exist, because I have wondered about these things since I was a kid. I knew I was different from other guys, like my deadhead homophobic older brothers. When they taunted me for my fem traits or tendencies, it hurt the more because at some level even then I knew it was the honest truth. I mean, I liked being a guy, especially having a penis to play with; but I did relate to fem things. too. Eventually I made up my mind to be myself and enjoy it. Thankfully the bros took themselves off to other parts of the world and made a mess of their own lives.
Re: Final Solution to the Eunuch Question
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:46 pm
by bryan (imported)
Fraj,
Got the magic 3 (-75). Lines up with what I've been feeling. I like how castration put some distance between me and normal manhood.
By the way, you made a great post on the 'The Fraj and Poor Choices' thread:
http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showpos ... stcount=19
'Gentle male' -- good characterization. And, yes, we have become fragile emotionally. Tears come easily, and sometimes for no good reason. There's a heightened sense of compassion, and I thank God everyday for my new state.
Thanks for your contributions to EA.

Re: Final Solution to the Eunuch Question
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:51 am
by plix (imported)
I finally got around to taking the COGIATI a second time. The first time I took it I scored as androgynous, and this time I scored as a probable TS.
Re: Final Solution to the Eunuch Question
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:19 am
by thefraj (imported)
Thanks everyone for your interest and patience! I suppose it's good to remember that it is just a test. And (even the best of tests) are never correct 100% of the time for all people. Probably better to think of as a rough guide.
For anyone interested, the COGNATI is just a modern cross-breed using concepts from the older BEM, Moir-Jessel and S.A.G.E tests.
Anyone interested in a second opinion would do well to consult S.A.G.E. There's a Javascript version available:
SAGE Test here (
http://www.hemingways.org/GIDinfo/sage/index.htm)
It takes a little longer than the COGNATI, but is statistically more likely to be accurate (more questions!). The others, particularly BEM are so outdated and cling to static beliefs about culture and society that I wouldn't give them to my cat to take!
At the end of the day, they're just labels. Only you know how you feel inside. But I'm glad it provides comfirmation for some people.
~Rog.
Re: Final Solution to the Eunuch Question
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:20 pm
by sag111 (imported)
Fraj its so good to see you again and to see you are doing so well .It seams you and i both have a friend in Jesus as he dosent live that far from me and i to have had the privlage of meeting this fine man.Again it dose my heatr good to see you post again we have never meet but i have missed you thies past few years.God bless you and thanks for letting us know you are ok.
Love Sag111
Re: Final Solution to the Eunuch Question
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:18 pm
by bubba1977 (imported)
I scored 92% female on the test I took.