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Speaking of church people :

Jesus Christ is quoted in the Bible as saying, and I paraphrase,

"For one who would harm a child, it is better that he have a millstone hung around his neck and be cast into the sea."

I happen to have a millstone in my antique collection here. I also have some rope.

i think it is a correct and just thing to want the feelings to go away. i think it is a good thing if it does. and, once he has done his time and has proven he is rehabilitated, then we decide if he is allowed to come out and play. There is further research that we tend to ignore <especilly in this room> in regards to forcing castration on rapists. TRY THIS ON A CHIMPANZIE they go ape shit literally. instead of a calmer more docile pet, you get a psychopath who is frustrated and becomes totally mean and needs to be put down.

If rape is all about power, they will find a broom stick to work with or something else, or simply evolve to murder.

If we allow someone to change and by changing they become better for it. then it is a good thing indeed. if, on the other hand, we change them ourselves. we must live with the consequences.

now who is evil and who is the victem.

For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from [their] mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it].

Matthew 19:12

Paolo wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:55 pm Speaking of church people :

Jesus Christ is quoted in the Bible as saying, and I paraphrase,

"For one who would harm a child, it is better that he have a millstone hung around his neck and be cast into the sea."

I happen to have a millstone in my antique collection here. I also have some rope.

A STRIP-PIT would suffice Paolo. There are a lot of those close to us

A-1

Paolo wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:55 pm Speaking of church people :

Jesus Christ is quoted in the Bible as saying, and I paraphrase,

"For one who would harm a child, it is better that he have a millstone hung around his neck and be cast into the sea."

I happen to have a millstone in my antique collectio

A-1 (imported) wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:14 am n here. I also have some rope.

A STRIP-PIT would suffice P

aolo. There are a lot of those close to us

The exact quotation from the New Testament is, It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. (Luke 17:2 - King James Version).

The red letters in my copy of the Bible indicate that this is supposed to be the exact and true words of Jesus (the other one).

I know Paolo well enough to know that, were he to find a child molester in his vicinity, the millstone would be the LEAST of his worries. I'm sure, too, that he and A-1 could find an appropriate strip mine pit as well. I'd be happy to join them if I were in the viciinity.

To return to the original topic of this thread, does surgical castration help a willing (and the willing is important) sexual predator to manage to control his demons?

There are certainly enough Archive members who have posted that one major reason that they have sought castration is to control their excess libido. Otherwise, the testosterone in their systems makes it impossible.

The individual who was named "James" in the Details magazine article about castration reported that, while he had never actually molested a child, he was terrified that, given the wrong set of circumstances, he would be unable to stop himself. He voluntarily visited Dr. Kimmel and had himself castrated to protect the children around him.

If he is willing, it would be very helpful for others (and for this debate) if he would be willing to write about how well he now feels that he has his demons under control. I would guess that it's probably impossible to slay them, only to domesticate them.

Does castration work? Is it really possible for a sexual predator to control his urges and become a productive member of society again. I do, actually, believe in redemption and hope that it is really possible.

tugon - Hmm....I would agree with your idea of castration in conjunction with serving their sentence for their crime for first offenders and for non-violent offencers. However, if they repeat an offense then my sentence should be imposed.

The parents should teach their offspring all about erotica and security. They have the oportunity if they are not scared to do it. Too much baggage. The same goes for females and males. They can both be raped in varius ways, and if scholed properly they can defend themselves so they are safe too. As far as "cases" and so forth, rarely I think they go into specifics so all is done in a "generalization" and "criminalization" manner for the Justice of it, I have my doubts/ As far as the "bloodthirsty" individuals that want to WIN-WIN-WIN over the tragedy of it all.??N3RF

From another post:

Dennis Carpenter, a clinical psychologist called by the defense, disagreed. Studies have shown, he said, that castration sharply reduces the risk of repeat offenses. One Danish study suggested the rate of repeat offenses dropped from 80 percent to 2.3 percent after surgical castration.

ALLOW VOLUNTARY CASTRATION for sure.

Involuntary? Why not. In this society we hang, shoot, electrocute and lethally inject people for bad behavior why not castration.

Lindaleah

I am still agnostic about this topic. As a people, we want sexual criminals to be monsters--that gives the rest of some sense of being okay. The other side of the matter appears when one remembers that Ted Bundy complained that people could not see him as a normal person who had a dysfunctional aspect to his personality. That dysfunction destroyed the lives of his victims.

I think it should be clear in our society that you should be able to do what you want IF IT DOES NOT TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM SOMEBODY ELSE!!!!!

Molesting a child clearly crosses way over that line. I DOES HURT THE CHILD. If anyone reading this thinks they can justify their behavior to do so is WRONG AND SHOULD SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES!!! IF YOU ARE ONE PLEASE GO GET HELP! There are counselors that can help.

LindaLeah

Problem #1 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=603717&page=1)

Problem #2 What of recidivism? (http://www.csom.org/pubs/recidsexof.html)

Problem #3True Reconviction rates before protective laws and public legislative action... (http://www.futureofchildren.org/informa ... c_id=74300)

Problem #4 schemes (http://crime.about.com/b/a/167163.htm)

You see, it is an addiction. Once tasted by some, it is a constant fight. Can they control themselves? I don't know. But why should we take a chance?

A-1

If you receive a DUI or moving violation or have and accident should you not be allowed to ever drive again??

A-1 (imported) wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:57 pm ? I don't know. But why should we take a chance?

People who do the above have killed and maimed innocent men women and children.

Just thinking out loud. This is obviously a hard problem for all humans to grapple with and wish the best for those who have to make such decisions.

I'll have more to say later after I think about this a bit. And it sounds as if a lot of you are doing just that. It is good to discuss these things rather than put our head in the sand. But don't forget to write you Government reps to voice you opinions. If enough people with the same voice speak, they tend to listen. Unless you want to cut their pay.

Lindaleah

back to the constitution for a bit. if we kill someone, many would argue that that is cruel and unusual punishment. What the framers had in mind here was lopping off the hand of a pick pocket. Well? that person has to live out their days without a hand. Cruel? Unusual? I bet the insodences of pick pocketting were actually much less in london and in the middle east than it is now that we are civilized, but their point was that the punishment lasted the rest of the life of the perp. Killing someone lasts about 6 minutes and they don't have to live with a life long result, they just don't get to live period.

wonder how this is gonna devide the group.

Personally i don't have a vote on capital punishment. Some Al Bundies in this world deserve this kind of treatment. donno about the one shot wonders E.G. Scott Peterson (but there was this unborn child and he was a capital jerk. Divorce does handle his situation nicely).

I think if you take away a child molesters manhood involuntarily, you create a murderer, in that Rape is all about having power over another, but the molester/rapest just lost his toolbox. the MO now has to change.

if they want this, i am good with it. if it lowers their sentance, i don't know anymore, i would need to see some research and hear from their councelor. As far as that goes, and A1 already hit on it. after the first taste, it gets easier, so why is it not available profilactically other than Kemmell and that is not to say it is even that available?

done ranting

He means Ted Bundy (http://tedbundy.150m.com/main.html) not Al Bundy (http://www.albundy.net/start.php)



A-1

Castration works we have known that for centuries. For sex offenders it is both a ethical and logical step in their recovery. The carrot and the stick approach is effective in these cases. If the offender wants to take positive steps for his own good he should be rewarded. A quick trip to out patient surgery and a offender has given himself a chance to focus on his recovery and not what got him there in the first place. It takes longer to pull his wisdom teeth than remove his balls so it is not like the procedure is life threatening. Lets make it easy for those that have these kind of problems to take the first step and limit the damage they can do. Perhaps if we made castration as a tool available even some would come forward and have the procedure when the first recognized they had a problem.

Every medical professional should be able to do this to any one that wants is

so that sounds like a good idea with or without the criminal aspect. Maybe the

medical associations should open that door for every doctor without the blaim aspect.N3RF

I read in a medical journal once that when the east west railroad was being built they had castration clinics available along the way where you could get castrated no questions asked and apparently many workers took advantage of this service.

It is my opinion that any informed competent adult should be allowed to be castrated if they want it and some potential and practicing sexual offenders would take advantage of this service.

It is also my opinion that castration lowers crime rates.

There needs to be more research on the success of castration in lowering crime rates. And all you male studs can keep you legs crossed now but open your minds

Lindaleah

Robby (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:09 am By Associated Press

(local remote copy in the event original no longer available)

Mon Jul 3, 11:29 AMUPDATED 2 HOURS 33 MINUTES AGO

SANTA ANA, Calif. - A convicted child molester who got surgically castrated to curb his urges wants to be released from custody. Kevin Reilly won a court order and paid to have his testicles removed in 2003.

"He felt that this was the only way to stop his cravings and immoral conduct," said his attorney, Orange County Deputy Public Defender Dinah Granafei.

Reilly says he has completed a sex-offender treatment program, undergone castration and is no longer a threat to children. He wants to be freed from Atascadero Mental Hospital, where he has been locked up since 2000 when the Orange County District Attorney's Office filed a petition labeling him a Sexually Violent Predator.

District Attorney Tony Rackauckas says Reilly remains a sexual predator who should remain incarcerated.

"Just because they have been castrated doesn't change what's going on in their minds," he said.

....... The very minimum requirement for release should be both castration and penectomy. Otherwise there is a high risk that he will be a repeat offender.

Mac,

You are still cutting on the wrong end of the body.



A-1