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Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:18 am
by halfcock (imported)
my dreams and fantasies of castration i hade so far as i can think. i believe that the predisposition is in our body from burth on...
also with the other sexparts. i remember i have squeezed my foreskin, penis and ballsac between heavy bricks as a young boy of 6-8 years.
i didnt understand it and was very shamed about me, but i did it with agreat lust and was amazed by doing this.
if someone had said that i had to be castrated, it would be a horny act for me and no problem. but i never could tell about this with anyone, never with my wife too....:
with 12-13 years i began to remove my foreskin in little parts, because it was a little bit tight and so not so comfortable and easy for the beginning masterbation.
and it was very exciting and the first step of realisation for my fantasies....-\
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:42 am
by Waka Gashira (imported)
Hmm. I tend to agree with most of the stuff that's been said.
Im sure that most of us wouldn't want our own futures, future sex lives and sex organs at the mercy of our tweenage selves.
However, it does strike me that whilst the effects of castration can be in many ways "reversed" by HRT, or even adoption, the effects of puberty (onset of secondary sex characteristics) cannot be reversed, and especially not without severe adverse side effects.
One case in point; pre-pubescent 10 year old boys with only trace testosterone on the whole have good mental health, do not have to battle with weight gain or osteoperosis. Contrast this with someone castrated after puberty, and the results are very different.
I'll re-iterate that I'm not advocating the castration of children. Just highlighting the fact that puberty seems much more difficult to "reverse/negate" than castration.
I do believe that support for transgender, or even eunuch-wannabe kids should be more readily available.
In a purely theoretical sci-fi world, it might be an interesting idea to have all boys puberty delayed until after they become "adults". This would solve many of society's ills, and allow decisions about sexuality or sexual identity to be made with a "mature" mind. Those who wish to remain as they are; "boys" or "eunuchs" rather than "men" could, at that age, be given the necessary treatment to allow their decisions to be upheld. Ultimately this would provide everyone the freedom to make their own decisions rather than be funneled down one route (eg. puberty) because it's "normal".
Technology similar to contraceptive drug implants could be used to provide a steady stream of puberty-blocking drugs into the bloodstream so taking pills or injections wouldn't be necessary. The implant could be removed at the age of 18 or 21 (or later?).
As mentioned, a problem would be macroskeletalism, but one day we might have enough understanding of the mechanism of Human Growth Hormone to be able to regulate this.
All theoretical and sci-fi, of course.
Then, there is the problem of what is defined as "maturity". The idea of delaying puberty until one is "mature" enough could seem to be self-contradictory; can an individual be considered emotionally mature if their process of sexual maturity has been suspended?
The angsty-nature of teenagers is evidence of the struggle during puberty to become emotionally mature. Therefore, can an individual who has not gone through puberty be considered mature enough to make decisions as life-changing as weather to enter puberty or be castrated?
(I do not wish to insult pre-puberty enunuchs or sufferers of sex-chromesome-disorders. I merely wish to highlight that puberty could play a role in emotional, psychological or neurological development).
Even after puberty, are we REALLY mature? How do you separate maturity and wisdom? Would a man at age 70 be more emotionally mature than himself at age 20? He would likely be wiser, and wisdom is arguably essential to make the right decisions in life, particularly when those decisions have far-reaching consequences.
Of course, there are some very wise 13 year olds in the world. Likewise, there are plenty of adults in the world who, after 70 years still have little wisdom.
Is ANYONE really mature enough, or wise enough, to make decisions so great that they could entirely and irreversibly change every aspect of their futures? Perhaps there is no age at which such decisions can be made properly. Perhaps castration is ALWAYS a risk, a gamble on one's future happiness, and ultimately anyone who chooses it can only be judged as, through varying degrees, a bit reckless.
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:32 pm
by Paolo
Waka Gashira (imported) wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:42 am
I do believe that support for transgender, or even eunuch-wannabe kids should be more readily available.
I agree with this as well - a more open approach to sexuality instead of the usual 'fly off the handle' reaction, or knee-jerk response of "YOU'RE A BOY, DAMMIT! ACT LIKE ONE!" This is certainly not helpful. Trust me, I live in an area where this is NOT at ALL understood, as A-1 can witness. There is a serious lack of open-mindedness here.
Waka Gashira (imported) wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:42 am
In a purely theoretical sci-fi world, it might be an interesting idea to have all boys puberty delayed until after they become "adults". This would solve many of society's ills, and allow decisions about sexuality or sexual identity to be made with a "mature" mind. Those who wish to remain as they are; "boys" or "eunuchs" rather than "men" could, at that age, be given the necessary treatment to allow their decisions to be upheld.
Granted, one (1) case does not make for a thesis, however...
Godson2's cousin, we'll call him JC, is - for all intents and purposes - a eunuch.
WHY he is remains a great mystery. His grandmother is an RN, and claims that the doctor has found no reason whatsoever for his condition.
This was noticed by G2 and friends when puberty was hitting them all. Or rather, hitting them all but for JC. To make a long story short, a get-together at the lake community one weekend night around a poker game turned into strip poker, and eventually a make-out session. Having always been very open and honest about all matters "male" and "sexual", G2 comes to me and says, "JC doesn't even have any hair yet!" This was at age 14-15. High voice, plump...red flag. Enter Granny and her RN status; trip to the doctor.
Findings - little to no testosterone in JC's system. No signs of puberty whatsoever. Not one indicator. Reasons? Unknown.
What gets me is that JC identifies as male. 100%. He likes girls. Yet here he is, almost 15 at this point, with a child's voice, no whiskers or fuzz, no body hair, and "tiny genitals". (sic). And of course, being plump, the beginnings of breasts and serious teasing.
What astounded me was that no one did anything. Nothing. The effects for JC were obesity by age 16, C-cup breasts, and still no secondary male sexual characteristics.
Jesus A. here has been to my house, and has met JC. He knows who he is. In the years since, JC is now ~19. He has some development, but not much. His voice is still high, but he has managed to lose some weight. He has never had a girlfriend for more than a few weeks. And being low income, having never been encouraged to do well in school, nothing has ever been done for him.
The result is not the "eternal boygod appearance" of fanfiction here, nor the "beauty" of some of the writings of the past concerning castrati singers or page boys.
The results in JC's case were and are not pretty. He got all the worst effects of being a eunuch - rather - one with naturally nonfunctional testicles.
More than once, I vehemently encouraged his Grandma (custody) to see state aid to get him on HRT, since that was what he wanted, but no one could afford it for him. The state plan would not pay for it, either, pathetic as Indiana's plan for low income kids is.
This is one danger of delayed puberty in any boy (MtE, MtF) that would have to be closely watched - the side effects that are NOT desirable.
In this case, as I said, there was no intervention, and now it's pretty much too late to reverse these things without costly surgery such as breast reduction, lipo, etc. I am not even sure if HRT would promote proper genital development at his age or not.
So while it's good in theory, and I would tend to agree with some of it, it must be monitored CLOSELY.
G3 is 12 now and getting a fuzzy upper lip. It saddens me to see it, but then again, I have always found it hard to let go of the "affectionate boy" in exchange for the "snarky teenager." Would that puberty could be delayed, or didn't start so damn soon...but this not my choice to make.
It should be up to the child, and these cases, one wanted it and was denied.
One wants it, and is getting it.
Still proof that as a Society, we have LONG way to go.
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:36 pm
by NathanB17 (imported)
I think the boy could be castrated at any age as long as had undergone lots of medical help and psychiatric help to ensure it was the right decision and the boy knew all of the risks and side effects.
It maybe better for him to do it quite young before the penis grows and the balls to which
could make him start to really hate his genitals and could lead to self harming. Plus if he has it done before puberty he will never experience the sexual side of his genitals so will never miss them for that reason.
My only question would be If you castrate say a boy of 5 will his penis always then stay the size of a 5 year olds penis or will it still grow as the boys grows ? Or will it actually shrink as it will never get erect etc?
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:18 am
by Paolo
To answer one part of the question about genital development, yes they continue to grow some, in proportion to the body, before the start of puberty. I've had more than my share of diaper changes, baths, and exhibitionism later in life, and I'm sure it's only a matter of time before #6 (now age 1 y 5m) gets handed off to me for babysitting. Genital size and development varies from boy to boy, but the growth factor is there. It's not like a baby boy is born with a preset size of genitals that remain constant until puberty. No...
We've discussed the topic of boy-castration before, and unfortunately, the really good and well-argued thread was lost in a the big crash of the "King Kong" era - when the server here got hacked to serve a DVD ISO image of the new movie and had to be wiped out and reloaded.
My personal opinion on the question was 'no', a boy of that age is not qualified in any way to make his own decision about castration in any form.
It still is, but I do not have a problem (after much more study) with the chemical route, such as treatment with lupron, etc., to delay the onset of male puberty until "our hero" is old enough to make an informed decision on his own about surgery.
It's not uncommon to find prepubescent boys who are uninformed and wouldn't mind having some or all of their "accessories" (sic, one "SB", quote, 2007) removed. However, once they are informed as to why they have these "accessories" and what they do in later life, THAT line of thinking changes fast.
I have yet to encounter the self-harm issue in a boy that I know, however, and that is a topic that I am not qualified to argue. Should I encounter it, I would immediately run to the Red Nun with boy in hand and seek qualified psychiatric advice! It does sound like a topic for debate in its own thread, however, if there is enough interest in it.
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:53 pm
by moi621 (imported)
Paolo wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:18 am
It does sound like a topic for debate in its own thread, however, if there is enough interest in it.
Please, Paolo, initiate the Thread!

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Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:15 am
by JustAGuy (imported)
There are many different opinions to this topic.
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:46 pm
by transward (imported)
On a couple of occasions I have talked to underage (15 & 16) trans people who were obtaining hormones and blockers off the internet or off the street. In neither case did I inform their parents. (In one case they wouldn't have cared) I was very careful to advise them to wait till they were legal, but I did answer questions about usual dosage. I probably could have been sued.
Transward
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:59 pm
by kitchkinet18 (imported)
I know this thread is a little old but i wanted to post anyway. I say the age of six. Why so young? By age 5, 90-95% of brain development is complete. Also, a young boy being castrated won't be regrettable. He will never have known what it was like to be a horny teenager so being a eunuch would be normal to him.
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:00 am
by knightbird111 (imported)
I think 30 yrs old is a good age.
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:36 am
by _g (imported)
kitchkinet18 (imported) wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:59 pm
I know this thread is a little old but i wanted to post anyway. I say the age of six. Why so young? By age 5, 90-95% of brain development is complete. Also, a young boy being castrated won't be regrettable. He will never have known what it was like to be a horny teenager so being a eunuch would be normal to him.
I have to strongly disagree. The person being castrated must be able to give informed consent. I feel some 21 yearolds are not
Paolo wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:18 am
old enough to make an informed decision
but some 10 and 12 yearolds are.
_g
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:41 am
by kitchkinet18 (imported)
I guess i can understand that. Thinking harder about it, i think six may be too young. But 10 or 12, it would depend on the person. Maybe some sort of test should be given. I just feel bad for someone who wants to retain boy-like features but has to wait until after puberty to be castrated. This is actually a tougher subject than i first thought.
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:22 am
by kristoff
As a general rule, I believe that anyone who has reached the age of majority should be able to do as he / she pleases. When this board was in its early years it seemed that the average age here was about 45-50 years, or more. A lot of folks were acknowledging what they had experienced for many years. As time has worn on it seems that we are getting a great many more younger folks. The internet, as it grew, was opening the doors of discovery for many more and younger folks (the young have led the revolution in technology). Self discovery and acknowledgment comes earlier. Many folks over the years, in my experience, have frequently wished that their opportunity for castration had been available many years before. I think it is a good thing that younger folks are discovering what they need and acting on it earlier. My only wish, aside from attaining what many find necessary, is that thorough thought and introspection be done first, before action.
K
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:37 pm
by gareth19 (imported)
_g (imported) wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:36 am
I have to strongly disagree. The person being castrated must be able to give informed consent. I feel some 21 yearolds are not
Paolo wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:18 am
old enough to make an informed decision
but some 10 and 12 yearolds are.
_g
Have you looked at this year's voters? There are people in their forties who are not mature enough to make an informed decision; they all have Romney signs on their lawns.
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:07 pm
by Paolo
Back to the topic at hand...
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:44 am
by jerry4033 (imported)
I would have been done at 14-16 if I would have been possible.
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:32 am
by Milkman (imported)
The few men here on EA who were castrated under age 25 seem to be among the very few who regret it. Two that I know have become "former eunuchs" , rejecting their decision as much as possible.
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:31 am
by KewlDawg (imported)
I don't think this is a "one size fits all" kind of question.
Could a 10 year old boy be castrated, and later when they are 50, regret that they had it done? Sure.
Could a 10 year old boy who's not allowed to be castrated, later when they are 50, regret that they spent the last 40 past years of their life unfulfilled? Sure.
You can't get your balls back. But you equally can't get 40 years of your life back either. There is no "replay" in life for anything.
Personally, I knew an 11 yo who wanted to be castrated. He knew basically what that meant. Can't make babies. Will not get hair on your chest and face. But I was a kid too, and therefore I can't make any judgments on mental fitness.
The youngest eunuch I know was 18 when he did it, and it was something he wanted to do ASAP once he turned 18. We've drifted apart over the years, so I can't speak of any regrets he might have (if he has any at all).
But I do read of eunuchs who were done in their 50's or 60's, and do regret having not done it sooner.
I don't know if there is any real answer.
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:14 am
by Twinsenboy (imported)
KewlDawg (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:31 am
I don't think this is a "one size fits all" kind of question.
Could a 10 year old boy be castrated, and later when they are 50, regret that they had it done? Sure.
Could a 10 year old boy who's not allowed to be castrated, later when they are 50, regret that they spent the last 40 past years of their life unfulfilled? Sure.
You can't get your balls back. But you equally can't get 40 years of your life back either. There is no "replay" in life for anything.
Personally, I knew an 11 yo who wanted to be castrated. He knew basically what that meant. Can't make babies. Will not get hair on your chest and face. But I was a kid too, and therefore I can't make any judgments on mental fitness.
The youngest eunuch I know was 18 when he did it, and it was something he wanted to do ASAP once he turned 18. We've drifted apart over the years, so I can't speak of any regrets he might have (if he has any at all).
But I do read of eunuchs who were done in their 50's or 60's, and do regret having not done it sooner.
I don't know if there is any real answer.
I think anything you decide to do of your own free will can be something that you regret having once done later in life, and castration is usually associated with being forced against one's will..
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:03 pm
by Cainanite (imported)
When it comes to the topic of regret over one's castration, on this site, it is usually code for suicidal thoughts. I wouldn't want anyone to regret something that completely.
The stuff in life that have driven me to feel suicidal has always been those things that I feel are out of my control. The things that really screwed me up were the things where I had no choice in the matter.
I have been on a few anti-circumcision websites recently, and discovered there are a lot of men who have suicidal thoughts stemming from their infant circumcision. They feel a choice was made about their sexuality that they had no control over. They have difficulty with orgasms, relationships, they feel like half men. On those sites are some men who chose circumcision later in life for themselves. Those are the only men on those sites singing the praises of circumcision. They often claim they wish their parents had opted for the procedure for them as children.
When I examine my life and look at regrets leading to suicidal thoughts, there is a big difference between what I chose for myself and what was chosen for me.
My first real suicide attempt stemmed from my parents' choice for me about keeping me in a school environment that was unhealthy. They chose, every year to keep me in a place that was damaging me extremely. They told themselves it was for my own good. It would toughen me up. It would make a man out of me. It would force me to grow up and fight back. Unfortunately, it didn't.
As a child, I didn't know about all the alternatives that were available to take me out of that school. I thought I had no other choices. As an adult I have since discovered at least half a dozen alternatives that wouldn't have cost my parents a dime out of their pockets, and would have saved me from the constant humiliation and abuse. Their choice without my consent deeply damaged me.
Of course their first choice for me was a choice to circumcise me. This was something I didn't understand fully until I was a teenager just how much of my life it had affected. The more about this choice I understand, the more I realize just how selfish it really was on the part of my parents. That too, has deeply damaged me.
Where I had no choice in the matter, the scars never fully healed.
Then I look at the choices I made. Some I regret, some I don't. When I was about 15 or so, I had badly ingrown toenails (I always had.) At 15 or so, my baby toes were badly ingrown, and the doctors wouldn't do anything about them. My big toes, yes, my little toes, no. So I got out my exacto knife, nail clippers, and pliers, and set about correcting the problem on my own. I self operated on my baby toes. There was a lot of blood. I narrowly avoided a bad infection, and looking back, I could have lost those toes from the brutal way I attacked them. To this day, the nails do not grow in correctly on those toes, but I have never again had an ingrown toenail with them.
My baby toes are mangled, and I regret how I addressed the problem. Strangely though, this regret is very very small. It has never been a regret that would have spurred me to suicide. Why not? Because I knew what I was doing when I self operated. I knew the cost, and I knew the risks. I went into it fully understanding that I could lose those toes.
There have been plenty of other choices I made that were wrong for me. I worked a job in a very hostile environment for too long. But I was the one who chose to be there. I got in a fight where I should have just walked away, but instead fought until I broke my hand, and the other guy was knocked out. I regret those things, but not enough for it to contribute to suicidal thoughts.
Anywhere in my life that I stopped and made a choice for myself, there was always a risk of regret, and some I do regret. However, because I made a choice for myself, even knowing the possible consequences, I don't regret in the way that would drive me to suicide.
Therein lies the big factor, CHOICE. Wherever I took action knowing the consequences, it has lessened the effects and reach of my regrets.
I fully believe that if a child can show a full understanding of castration, and still choose it for themselves as the correct path, then it should be seriously considered. At the very least, puberty blocking drugs could be administered until the child reaches the age of 18, so that he can make the adult choice for himself.
Wherever that choice is made with full understanding of the consequences, I believe regrets are severely lessened.
Both on this site, and the anti-circumcision websites, when someone chooses to either castrate or circumcise later in life, they are always more satisfied with the results. I do not think this has as much to do with age, as it does with personal choice. When it is chosen for oneself, it is a benefit, and should have been done much earlier in life. When it was chosen for him, and he had no choice, it is always wrong, and a deep violation of his self worth.
I think a child may actually be in a better position to understand and consent to castration than some adults. Pre puberty, it is not yet a sexualized fantasy. It can be considered on a more factual basis, and children adapt to new ideas much more rapidly than adults.
I have a niece who was afraid of spiders. Why? Because her dad was afraid of spiders. I noticed this, and took the opportunity to show my niece a large web in a tree outside. In that web was a large spider. Once she got over her initial fear, I started to describe facts about the spider. I showed her the beautiful work the spider had done to build the web. I showed her the coloration on the spider's back, and showed her that the spider had no interest in her at all. After about 30 minutes of this, she was brave enough to pick the spider up, and let it crawl on her hands. No one had ever explained spiders to her. Once she had the information, she stopped being afraid, and started to actually like spiders. She even showed her dad the spider in her hand, and he nearly spazzed right out of his skin. His thinking was already cemented, but the child was open to new facts, and new information in a way he was not.
If children are given the opportunity to learn new things, they can absorb them much more efficiently that an adult. Children can understand much more than we give them credit for. I believe it is very possible for a child to make an informed choice about something that will affect their entire life. I still think precautions should be taken. Like with tattoos. Just because they think it is awesome at 10 or 11, does not mean they will still think so at 19 or 20.
I was already rendered sterile at age 12 due to a disease. If at that point had someone explained the situation to me, and offered me castration, I know I would have chosen it for myself. The only difference in my life would have been I would have ended up a bit less hairy by now. I would still have the same choice facing me today, to take replacement hormones or not. I know I would have been much more comfortable opting out of the sexual games and expectations of my early adulthood, had I been offered such a choice.
If you balance the child's own informed choice with parental caution, I think you arrive at the best of all worlds. It is the child's own body, and he should be allowed to choose, as long as he is fully informed. Yet it remains up to the parents and physicians to decide if the child is indeed prepared for the consequences. Chemically delaying puberty would be the correct path, until everyone knows for certain it is not just a passing notion. For some children however, it will prove certain much earlier, and for those kids, it would be cruel to make them wait.
My belief is that for castration to be correct, you need to know yourself and why you desire it. You need to fully know the consequences of castration, and it needs to be something you want for yourself, not to please someone else. If you can demonstrate that level of informed consent, then it should be yours if you need it. I fully believe some children are capable of this decision, and I further believe some children would truly benefit.
It is all about informed choice. I believe some children (though not all) can be fully capable of making that decision whatever their age.
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:35 am
by A-1 (imported)
In a perfect world with perfect parental love and support the dreams of children making decisions that they will be happy and content with for the rest of their lives could exist.
However, as we ALL know, the world is NOT a perfect place. The potential for harm due to parental, neglect, abuse or just plain apathy is ALWAYS present.
Then there is always the nature ~ nurture issue... that IS NOT trivial.
While one may know his (or her) own feelings, those feelings as a child are significantly shaped by parental authority and environment. Making rules that minors may have life-changing body modifications opens up the whole child abuse can of worms and forces everybody, counselors, doctors, clergy, parents, children and yes, even judges into the unfortunate position of reluctant clairvoyant.
Since science cannot give a completely unconditional answer or make a 100% accurate prediction why would we set ourselves up claiming to possess this capability?
Our visions are the clearest only in retrospect.
It is 18.
Leave it alone.
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:43 am
by Riverwind (imported)
or older
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Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:19 am
by Paolo
I've shared this story with Jesus before, and he found it amusing and anecdotal, so here goes.
Five years ago, when G3 was a cute and affectionate ten-year-old and so were all of his baseball teammates, we had one boy on the team who had a castration curiosity. He would often not wear a cup as catcher or pitcher in hopes that he'd get his testicles smashed and have to have them removed. As anyone who has spent time with young boys knows, their conversations tend to wander in odd directions, and genitals are one of them that comes up (no pun intended) quite often. This kid honestly saw no purpose for having testicles.
Enter me, the 'drafted' assistant coach for the week and one overheard conversation that had my jaw on the ground in shock. Then he decides he wants to go home with G3 for the day, as there was another game later that night and he had a long trip home and back. Of course, G3's parents were going out for a day trip, which had left G3 in my care for the day. Enter Mom, who only knows me from the ballpark and being the photographer, who happily sends her son home with us with her blessing of "just bring him back sometime before Monday morning."
Hello?!
I think it's time to have a conversation with this woman, which I did. She found it laughable that her cute and somewhat effeminate ginger child had this fixation, and yes, she'd overheard this same line of talk before. The boy was terrified of growing up to be "a hairy monster" like his older brother, who was often the topic of bizarre conversations in the bleachers along the lines of such strange things about waxing his ass because he's so "furry".
What kind of family is MY kid hanging out with, anyway?!
"Mom, can you get me a salon wax tonight? My girlfriend is complaining about it again."
So I ask her if they've had "the talk," as I've already brought up four others and am currently supply the oldest 3 with condoms. Yes, they've had the talk. She finds it amusing. And in something that could very well be an EA story, yes, they live on a farm.
Jesus, can it get any better?!
Have I left reality behind for la-la land?
Queue up Rod Serling, "Enter a world where little boys down on the farm dream of being castrated like farm animals..."
So I ask permission, if it should come up again, to address certain issues, should they come up.
She says that's fine, "he's a dirty minded little kid."
Is CvanD lurking behind a tree? By this time, I'm to the raised eyebrow stage.
Enter Fate, as one other boy on the field gets a foot the balls from the sliding runner coming into 3rd base.
By now, you know what the topic of conversation is all the way home, into which I boldly go to set this kid straight. Keep in mind, he refers to his testicles as "accessories". I calmly explain the things that happen during puberty, which the two of them already know about. "We've had THE FILM" they tell me. "We know where babies come from," they tell me.
I counter with, "Do you know why you castrate cattle and such?"
Of course, SB knows. He's a farmer's kid.
And he thinks it's a great idea.
I tell him to wait a few more years, and get back with me on this topic when he's about fourteen or fifteen. "But I'm gonna end up like my brother!" He replies.
How do "I" end up in these situations? Why's it always me?
A few years pass, after convincing the kid to leave his 'accessories' right where they are and wait.
Two years later, puberty hits hard and fast. This is not the same kid. Suddenly this cute little pudgy and somewhat whiny child has a harem following him around, and he's a bigger baseball 'star' now than he ever was. I subtly ask him, after a game, if he remembered the conversation we had the night he spent with me and G3 and fell over his own feet and dislocated two of his fingers.
His face gets very red, and he nods. "I'm glad I kept 'em," he tells me.
The moral of this story?
Is there one?
Well, in retrospect, in the boy's "new" condition as a testosterone-fueled "hairy monster", he was perfectly happy with it.
Would he have been happy, had he managed to get himself castrated somehow?
I somehow doubt it.
What it comes down to is that Kewldawg and Cainanite sum it up pretty well, and I guess the moral is that you just never know.
However, can you spot a passing fixation upon an idea, and differentiate it from the real BIID or gender dysphoria issue?
I for one am not qualified to diagnose such.
Chemical castration and delay of puberty is reversible. There are piles of data on this, and unlike surgery, it's reversible.
Surgery isn't.
So I still have to stand by my belief that a child that young isn't capable of making an informed decision for something as permanent as castration.
And yes, it happened. Honestly. Now you know where story ideas come from.
The truth and life can be, and often are, stranger than EA fiction.
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:41 am
by Twinsenboy (imported)
Yeah, I think if young people were motivated and encouraged by others to realize they are good enough as they are, maybe they'd realize they are comfortable living with their bodies.. for the rest of their lives, growing hairy or not.
Re: Youngest age for castration
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:19 pm
by SplitDik (imported)
KewlDawg (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:31 am
I don't think this is a "one size fits all" kind of question.
Could a 10 year old boy be castrated, and later when they are 50, regret that they had it done? Sure.
Could a 10 year old boy who's not allowed to be castrated, later when they are 50, regret that they spent the last 40 past years of their life unfulfilled? Sure.
You can't get your balls back. But you equally can't get 40 years of your life back either. There is no "replay" in life for anything.
It's still a different kind of regret. An older guy can always get castrated, after having experienced all of being virile, having biological children, and all the other testosterone-filled "joys". A guy who is castrated young has no chance of ever experiencing those things naturally. Also, you can question an older guy on whether his delay in getting it might actually because he himself isn't entirely sure.
You also have to look at the whole span of life -- assuming you will live to average age, if you wait until 40s to get castrated you still get half your life ahead of you to experience that. If you get castrated at 25 that is a LONG time to have to live with the choice.
Unless you are actually doing criminal things (pedophile, rapist, etc.) there is nothing really lost in waiting to go through with it, after being totally sure of what you are doing. No matter how intense the urge to get castrated seems to you, there isn't usually a real urgency to get it done and waiting can only help avoid real regret.