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Hi, I completely understand you. I went through the exact same thing. The anguish of trying to serve Christ and be Christ-like is very difficult when being Born again with Christ's seed in me and all those sexual uges. If you would like to further this talk you can send a private message. My Christain veiwpoints are not well rec'd here. Blessings, Leona

Leona Lee (imported) wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:15 am Hi, I completely understand you. I went through the exact same thing. The anguish of trying to serve Christ and be Christ-like is very difficult when being Born again with Christ's seed in me and all those sexual uges. If you would like to further this talk you can send a private message. My Christain veiwpoints are not well rec'd here. Blessings, Leona

I love those little kitties!! We have had 20 cats at one stage. Two females got 'pregnant' and voila... Cats for Africa! We are cat people not really dog people.

Oops, this thread is getting of the topic.

I honestly do not think i could do what you did, but you have got what you wanted, but it must have took a lot of courage.

chemcast scot (imported) wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:14 am I honestly do not think i could do what you did, but you have got what you wanted, but it must have took a lot of courage.

Hi, I assure you it looks far worse than it actually is. Those two day my penis was clamped I did not even notice it, except when I went to the loo. I had NO pain at all. I did not feel weird or strange during this time.

On the 3rd day I took the clamp of and still had no pain. 9 hours later I went to the ER. They were VERY helpful and the rest is history.

No courage at all!!

Regards

Mac stated that the surgeon was really inconsiderate, but maybe he was just inexperienced with this situation. It's not everyday that a man has his penis removed and so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, however, it's always best when facing a new situation to consult other surgeons. Maybe he did and still didn't do a very good job. That might be because he just wasn't that competent. It's also true that sometimes people seek advice from others and even though the consensus might be to do a surgery one way, the arrogance of some surgeons often causes them to choose their own way. Without knowing this surgeon, it's hard to know where he falls.

Hash (imported) wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:12 pm Mac stated that the surgeon was really inconsiderate, but maybe he was just inexperienced with this situation. It's not everyday that a man has his penis removed and so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, however, it's always best when facing a new situation to consult other surgeons. Maybe he did and still didn't do a very good job. That might be because he just wasn't that competent. It's also true that sometimes people seek advice from others and even though the consensus might be to do a surgery one way, the arrogance of some surgeons often causes them to choose their own way. Without knowing this surgeon, it's hard to know where he falls.

Would you want to be left with a pee hole that is high in the groin and points forward instead of down? At best you would have to lean way forward when setting on the toilet to avoid peeing over the seat. Any surgeon with the least amount of common sense should know that is not practical.

We now have 2 house Kiddies and love them a lot. Many here have Kiddies so you are in good company. You sound pretty young and I'm here for you. Blessings, Leona:D

Mac (imported) wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:28 pm Would you want to be left with a pee hole that is high in the groin and points forward instead of down? At best you would have to lean way forward when setting on the toilet to avoid peeing over the seat. Any surgeon with the least amount of common sense should know that is not practical.

I wish I could actually see what you are talking about, but I think I agree with you. If it is at all possible for the urethra to be placed lower and close to the anus, angled to urinate straight down, then that should be standard medical procedure. That said, I do believe the surgeon might have done just that IF that were a possibility. From what I read, it might very well NOT have been possible, because there may not have been any urethra left to work with after the full length of the penis had necrotized.

The one thing i have noticed about the medical community is that we do not own our bodies hence the reason it is so hard to get legialy castrated/penectomy from any doctor.

We are basically renting these bodies till we die. So its what the medical community think is right.

DeaconBlues (imported) wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:37 am I wish I could actually see what you are talking about, but I think I agree with you. If it is at all possible for the urethra to be placed lower and close to the anus, angled to urinate straight down, then that should be standard medical procedure. That said, I do believe the surgeon might have done just that IF that were a possibility. From what I read, it might very well NOT have been possible, because there may not have been any urethra left to work with after the full length of the penis had necrotized.

Hi, there is more than enough of the urethra left. Like I said before, the plastic surgeon is going to fix up what the Uro was supposed to do. If I figure it correctly, I still have about 5 - 6cm of stump left under the skin.

It would appear to me that my Uro just cut off the infected part and stitched my skin to the urethra. The pee-hole is where my penis exited my body. Frankly, I don't know WHAT my Uro did in the 2 1/2 hours in the operating room.:-\

But, it will be fixed. Can't wait...!!

BTW, I'm 44 years old.

Yoda, could you tell us more about your female shrink? You said she was very understanding and that's been my experience with the few female shrinks I've seen. I think they're more understanding and compassionate for several reasons. One, they don't have penises and so I think they can somehow relate emotionally to not wanting one or wanting to get rid of one. Secondly, most women don't worship penises and a lot of older women seem to dislike them. Well, I'm just curious about what your shrink.

Hash (imported) wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:33 am Yoda, could you tell us more about your female shrink? You said she was very understanding and that's been my experience with the few female shrinks I've seen. I think they're more understanding and compassionate for several reasons. One, they don't have penises and so I think they can somehow relate emotionally to not wanting one or wanting to get rid of one. Secondly, most women don't worship penises and a lot of older women seem to dislike them. Well, I'm just curious about what your shrink.

Hi Hash, you know, I think there are several reasons:

1) She is employed by the hospital as a link between the doctors and patients. I told her that the docs DON'T listen to my desires and requests. (Off the record, she told me that Doctors are idiots not listening to patients. They are only interested in their narrow minded prognosis) I told her that here in South Africa we have a right to accept or refuse treatments and that I will report that hospital to our minister of health. She called meetings with the docs (Uro and plastic surgeon) and explained my situation to the as well as giving her diagnosis of my mental state etc.

2) Here in South Africa, women are VERY sympathetic towards gay and lesbian people, especially shrinks. I explained to her how I tortured my penis from I was 8 years old and that I did not want it. I told her that I was asexual. She really understood.

3) I'm not certain for sure, but she looks VERY male like to me (short hair, t-shirt, male like mannerisms etc.). She could be lesbian, which helped my situation.

4) We have two areas in Cape Town, the Northern Suburbs (mainly Afrikaans people) and Southern Suburbs (mainly English). I'm Afrikaans and used to go to the Northern Suburbs hospitals. Afrikaans people are very orthodox about certain things (Much like Texans). I moved to the Southern Suburbs and went to an 'English' hospital. THAT hospital do a lot of SRS operations and this shrink work with these people and recommends this plastic surgeon (He does the sex change ops) to do the operation, or not. I think she could see that I was very adamant to be asexual. I told her that I'm going to penectomize myself which led her to recommend to operation.

This is the kind of shrink one needs. She understands our needs to transform into the sexual id we so desperately want.

Regards

Thanks Yoda, it sounds as though some people are beginning to understand that some men just don't want to have penises or genitalia. Perhaps in the future a simple diagnosis of asexuality will be all that's needed to have your male parts removed. Please keep us updated on your progress. I've always wondered what the Apostle Paul's "thorn in the flesh" was and I think it was the constant sexual thoughts and desires he battled, otherwise he would have clearly stated what the thorn was. I think Romans 7:14-24 helps me to understand his struggle and my struggles. "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do....the evil I do not want - this I keep on doing"

Hash (imported) wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:31 pm Thanks Yoda, it sounds as though some people are beginning to understand that some men just don't want to have penises or genitalia. Perhaps in the future a simple diagnosis of asexuality will be all that's needed to have your male parts removed. Please keep us updated on your progress. I've always wondered what the Apostle Paul's "thorn in the flesh" was and I think it was the constant sexual thoughts and desires he battled, otherwise he would have clearly stated what the thorn was. I think Romans 7:14-24 helps me to understand his struggle and my struggles. "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do....the evil I do not want - this I keep on doing"

BLESS YOU HASH!!!! I've been ridiculed for ever for suggesting the same thing about St. Paul. Others say it was his eyes that troubled him but deep inside me I knew it was sexual lust. Does he not ask somewhere "Am I not also to marry like those Super Apostles?"

I wonder if he ever castrated himself. I know some Church Leaders after his time did.

Keep Well!

Yes, one of the early Church fathers, Origen, was a eunuch, who had castrated himself

Hash (imported) wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:31 pm Thanks Yoda, it sounds as though some people are beginning to understand that some men just don't want to have penises or genitalia. Perhaps in the future a simple diagnosis of asexuality will be all that's needed to have your male parts removed.

That would require someone in addition to Messrs. Johnson and Wassersug to conduct and document scientific and psychological research in the eunuch / asexual community. After six revisions of the WPATH Standards of Care (greatly outdated, last updated in 2001) it still requires two referral letters and a willing surgeon to receive simple bilateral orchiectomy for someone diagnosed as transgender and/or transsexual with GID.

Hash (imported) wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:31 pm Thanks Yoda, it sounds as though some people are beginning to understand that some men just don't want to have penises or genitalia. Perhaps in the future a simple diagnosis of asexuality will be all that's needed to have your male parts removed.

It is being worked on in a lot of places in a number of ways. But nothing like this happens overnight.

Yoda, would you say that you've followed the teaching in Matthew 19:12? "For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." Are you one that has accepted it? I know that a great many Bible Scholars downplay this teaching, stating that it's not about getting physically castrated or being castrated, that's it's about singleness or not marrying, but I believe it's a more literal teaching. In fact, staying single and living like a eunuch is so much more difficult for the majority of men, that I have to believe that being castrated was an important, in not necessary step in order to actually live like a eunuch for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.

kristoff wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:55 am It is being worked on in a lot of places in a number of ways. But nothing like this happens overnight.

Normaly takes a century or two to get things like this done, or is it jus a case of it seems like that.

Hash (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:29 am Yoda, would you say that you've followed the teaching in Matthew 19:12? "For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." Are you one that has accepted it? I know that a great many Bible Scholars downplay this teaching, stating that it's not about getting physically castrated or being castrated, that's it's about singleness or not marrying, but I believe it's a more literal teaching. In fact, staying single and living like a eunuch is so much more difficult for the majority of men, that I have to believe that being castrated was an important, in not necessary step in order to actually live like a eunuch for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.

Hi Hash, yes, that verse played an important part in my decision. I know that gift was given to me.

I know there are many who downplay that verse. I have a gay brother who says that being gay is also an eunuch and that that verse applies to him as well. I don't agree with him.

I take the literal meaning. An eunuch, by definition, is a castrated male. Not so? It is not a single person. Let's look at the verse:

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Hash (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:29 am For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others...

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How can you be single being made so by others or being born that way.

Those scholars and others who corrupts this verse are all unable to discern the WAY of the Holy Spirit; corrupting others, unfortunately.

I believe that only those whom it's been given will understand the true nature of that verse and accept it.

Being single is also relevant in a way. The disciples asked Jesus about divorce which for Jesus was totally unacceptable. (Moses allowed it). St. Paul writes somewhere that while being divorced one must not marry while your partner is still alive or you'll live in a state of adultery. Now you are SINGLE and not able to have legal sex. (Jesus says that looking at a woman in lust is adultery) Becoming an eunuch is a wonderful way to get rid of all those sexual lusts, sleeping with many partners, masturbating etc. This is the way the Essenes lived. There are those that believe that many, if not all, Essenes were eunuchs.

But this only apply to Christians. Non-Christians do not adhere to Jesus' teachings and marry many times or sleep with many partners; dishonoring their own bodies.

Hope it goes well with you and that you will prosper in health, wealth and good fortune.

Peace :-\

YodaNell (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:37 am I know there are many who downplay that verse. I have a gay brother who says that being gay is also an eunuch and that that verse applies to him as well. I don't agree with him.

Sadly, the only way you can be sure is to read it in the original language. If you read a translation, you're also reading someone else's bias.

hdlss_hrsmn (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:31 pm Sadly, the only way you can be sure is to read it in the original language. If you read a translation, you're also reading someone else's bias.

In the original "Texus Receptus" the word eunouchos is used:

eunouchos

yoo-noo'-khos

From εὐνή eunē (a bed) and G2192; a castrated person (such being employed in Oriental bed chambers); by extension an impotent or unmarried man; by implication a chamberlain (state officer): - eunuch.

It looks to me that Jesus pretty much used the word eunuch.

Do note thar by extention, an eunuch can be unmarried because in those times they were mostly unmarried due to their employment. The literal meaning is a castrated person.

Regards

Yoda, what's going on. Where are you?

Hash (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:33 pm Yoda, what's going on. Where are you?

Sorry Hash, quite busy at the moment. Also I had my bottom kicked on some other threads on this forum. Anyway...

The strangest thing is happening to me. The first day when I came back home after my hospital session, that next morning when I awoke, it felt strange not having my penis. I'm so used to to it, by reaching for it and not feeling it there, brought some weird emotions. But that was short lived; about two days.

Now, I think my brain has re-wired itself because I don't miss my penis at all. It's like I never had one. I can't even remember what it felt like having one. I can't remember what my glans felt like. It's as though that memory has been wiped out.

Strange... but I really enjoy being a nullo. It's fantastic!:)

I will update again after my final operation in a few weeks.

Regards

The same thing happened with me after I was castrated. Initially it felt strange and weird, but after a few months and now years, it's hard to remember ever having testicles. Like you said, it's like I never had them. I actually showered at the gym recently and a few guys saw me and I saw them. I really am another sex in my mind. My small penis shrinks up quite a lot so it's almost not visible and without a scrotum and balls, well, they were curious but they didn't say anything. I also don't have much hair below anymore.