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janekane (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:55 pm When not all can be saved, it is wise to save what is considerately deemed the most important first?

I have given up parts of my body to save the rest of it.

Is that a useful framing paradigm for how to continue the useful work of this community?

Incidentally, some casual checking leads me to the hunch that Google has cached pretty much everything ever posted here.

I am torn on this issue myself. There are a lot of stories on the archive that appeal to me. I admit, I am most interested in those involving prepubescent castration. There are aspects of those stories that I find offensive, and many stories I cannot read because they are of a nature that disturbs me.

I have however written and submitted a story many others would find distasteful. Reading it again eight years after I first submitted it, I find many parts abhorrent. It is not the type of story I would write again.

At the time, the story was my way of exorcising my demons. Putting my thoughts down on paper got it out of my system, and no real persons were harmed. In this way I was able to move on with my life, and put those thoughts behind me. Something that was consuming me was excised.

Since learning of my hypogonadism, I have begun writing again. This time, instead of a short story, it is a novel. It again deals with the subject of prepubescent castration, and involves many sexual themes. This is not for everybody. I don't intend it to be. This time, I can more readily recognize the themes as metaphor and symbolism for what I am currently dealing with. As I write, I can see where I am interpreting my own inner turmoil, creating an extreme and running it out to a final conclusion.

Though written realistically, it is allegorical. It is a fictionalization of coming to understand what is within myself. As before, I hope to excise my demons.

I feel the stories posted to the archive do the same for their many authors. It allows the authors to come to terms with their feelings, and gives them a safe output that harms no-one. If you have ingested something poisonous, is it not best to induce regurgitation? (I am by no means comparing all the stories on the Fiction Archive to vomit. Many are very helpful.)

I find reading many of the stories very enlightening. Often the metaphor underlying the text educates me. It is also of great therapeutic value just to know I am not alone in feeling this way.

Would it surprise you to know that most of the people who write minor themed stories would be disgusted and horrified by real child molestation? In those stories, the author is not associating themselves with the molester, but the child. The author is the victim, not the abuser.

I needed, and need this outlet to overcome, or at least accept, my own inner turmoil. The Fiction Archive needs to exist as a safe outlet.

That is why I feel it should be behind an age verification and password. For those that find what is there offensive, they are insulated. For those that need it, it is there.

I only lament that I might not have even known the archive existed had it been protected when I went looking. If many years ago, when I discovered it by accident, it had been behind a blockade of passwords, I never would have risked venturing forward.

It is something the forum members should seriously discuss.

Cainanite (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:58 pm I am torn on this issue myself. There are a lot of stories on the archive that appeal to me. I admit, I am most interested in those involving prepubescent castration. There are aspects of those stories that I find offensive, and many stories I cannot read because they are of a nature that disturbs me.

I have however written and submitted a story many others would find distasteful. Reading it again eight years after I first submitted it, I find many parts abhorrent. It is not the type of story I would write again.

At the time, the story was my way of exorcising my demons. Putting my thoughts down on paper got it out of my system, and no real persons were harmed. In this way I was able to move on with my life, and put those thoughts behind me. Something that was consuming me was excised.

Since learning of my hypogonadism, I have begun writing again. This time, instead of a short story, it is a novel. It again deals with the subject of prepubescent castration, and involves many sexual themes. This is not for everybody. I don't intend it to be. This time, I can more readily recognize the themes as metaphor and symbolism for what I am currently dealing with. As I write, I can see where I am interpreting my own inner turmoil, creating an extreme and running it out to a final conclusion.

Though written realistically, it is allegorical. It is a fictionalization of coming to understand what is within myself. As before, I hope to excise my demons.

I feel the stories posted to the archive do the same for their many authors. It allows the authors to come to terms with their feelings, and gives them a safe output that harms no-one. If you have ingested something poisonous, is it not best to induce regurgitation? (I am by no means comparing all the stories on the Fiction Archive to vomit. Many are very helpful.)

I find reading many of the stories very enlightening. Often the metaphor underlying the text educates me. It is also of great therapeutic value just to know I am not alone in feeling this way.

Would it surprise you to know that most of the people who write minor themed stories would be disgusted and horrified by real child molestation? In those stories, the author is not associating themselves with the molester, but the child. The author is the victim, not the abuser.

I needed, and need this outlet to overcome, or at least accept, my own inner turmoil. The Fiction Archive needs to exist as a safe outlet.

That is why I feel it should be behind an age verification and password. For those that find what is there offensive, they are insulated. For those that need it, it is there.

I only lament that I might not have even known the archive existed had it been protected when I went looking. If many years ago, when I discovered it by accident, it had been behind a blockade of passwords, I never would have risked venturing forward.

It is something the forum members should seriously discuss.

Unfortunately, it is the fiction archive that is the source of our trouble. Our first priority is to get the discussion forums up and running completely. After that, we may be able to do something with the archive of stories, but that will be down the road a ways. more as I find it. pay attention to eunuch.org and eunuchworld.com. that is where stuff will end up, if possible.

Thanks to those of you who sent me the numeric 'fix'.

It didn't work for me, but the numeric link with /vbulletin did; thanks Moi! At least I can see the boards now.

I very strongly appreciate Kristoff's posture in this thread. Very professional. For me, the loss of acces to the stories is very emotional, and I don't know if I'd be as professionally detatched as The Nun is being.

Thank you, Kristoff.

I'm certainly regretting not having slowly 'collected' every single story in the archive now. I always planned to do so, but felt it unneccessary. OOPS.

Also, I may have, through unfortunate Karma, initiated the downfall; I say this because I was SO looking forward to my holidays starting back on Monday; I was thinking how I'd finally have time to write a couple stories and participate on the board more.... only to fire up the computer on Monday nigh and find that upon the first day of my holidays, POOF, the E.A. seemed to be gone.

Argh.

However, I knew right away that we have one seriously dedicated team of 'owners' who are going to do what they can to save this site. Kristoff, Jesus, Paolo, and the others have this site in Good Hands; we can take that knowledge to the bank.

And, to the AUTHORS; I admit, I'll miss the stories badly, and wonder if there is someplace we can post stories until the E.A. comes back to full life. A "holding area", if you will. Kristoff, please stomp on my toes if I'm suggesting something you don't want. If this is okay, though, I'll start looking for someplace nice and discreet to post stories to for the time being. This should perhaps be discussed in a different thread, though?

Thanks to everyone for helping me find my way back, and thanks to the Management for the recovery efforts!!

When I firsr came across the Eunuch Archive, several years ago, I made note of what I found and set about in search of a professionally-ethical way to participate. Having met with what seemed to me to be yet more forms of stigma and prejudice from some members of the medical profession and their co-workers regarding my orchiectomy and my need for it, and having finally come up with a way to become a member that I find ethically acceptable, I requested membership about a month ago.

It is my view, both personal and professional, that the stories in the Archive constitute a valuable, plausibly essential, social resource, albeit one which is profoundly prone to dreadful misunderstanding and misinterpretation. However, the value of the Archive is inseparable from such dreadful misunderstandings and misinterpretations, as best I can yet discern.

In a 1991 paper, "Dialogue - A proposal," David Bohm, Donald Factor, and Peter Garrett described a "condition" of humanity in their first paragraph, which paragraph ends with "In our view this condition points to a deep and pervasive defect in the process of human thought."

I find that the Archive stories are profoundly connected with this "deep and pervasive defect" and are a precious window into what may yet become societally feasible resolution of said "deep and pervasive defect."

I plan to bring my understanding into face-to-face "dialogue" at the 2011 MoM, the better to sort out whether or not the work I have done and continue doing professionally may be part of a socially viable, hence socially appropriate, process of repairing said "deep and pervasive defect in the process of human thought."

If I may put it simply:

I observe that the issues brought forth in at least some of the Archive stories are in violation of a societal taboo. I furthermore observe that this societal taboo violates children. The taboo is of make-believe, the violation of children is real.

Force upon me, against my will, the dichotomy of violating make-believe societal taboos or of violating real children, and I will strive with all my effort to only violate the make-believe taboos.

janekane (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:07 pm When I firsr came across the Eunuch Archive, several years ago, I made note of what I found and set about in search of a professionally-ethical way to participate. Having met with what seemed to me to be yet more forms of stigma and prejudice from some members of the medical profession and their co-workers regarding my orchiectomy and my need for it, and having finally come up with a way to become a member that I find ethically acceptable, I requested membership about a month ago.

It is my view, both personal and professional, that the stories in the Archive constitute a valuable, plausibly essential, social resource, albeit one which is profoundly prone to dreadful misunderstanding and misinterpretation. However, the value of the Archive is inseparable from such dreadful misunderstandings and misinterpretations, as best I can yet discern.

In a 1991 paper, "Dialogue - A proposal," David Bohm, Donald Factor, and Peter Garrett described a "condition" of humanity in their first paragraph, which paragraph ends with "In our view this condition points to a deep and pervasive defect in the process of human thought."

I find that the Archive stories are profoundly connected with this "deep and pervasive defect" and are a precious window into what may yet become societally feasible resolution of said "deep and pervasive defect."

I plan to bring my understanding into face-to-face "dialogue" at the 2011 MoM, the better to sort out whether or not the work I have done and continue doing professionally may be part of a socially viable, hence socially appropriate, process of repairing said "deep and pervasive defect in the process of human thought."

If I may put it simply:

I observe that the issues brought forth in at least some of the Archive stories are in violation of a societal taboo. I furthermore observe that this societal taboo violates children. The taboo is of make-believe, the violation of children is real.

Force upon me, against my will, the dichotomy of violating make-believe societal taboos or of violating real children, and I will strive with all my effort to only violate the make-believe taboos.

Incidentally, the MoM is still on for mid-August. If you want to attend contact Riverwind by PM here, or me by email at [email protected]. Do so before we lose this last bit before we get resolution. Be sure to give River an email he can respond to

I can live without the stories for a time. I wouldn't want to lose the stories entirely. The stories would be one of only two boards on the entire internet I would be willing to pay for access.

I think that parts of this discussion board are more valuable to have than the stories.

That's my 2 cents.

Hey Mods... have you guys tried contacting the Electronic Frontier Foundation?

https://www.eff.org

They deal with crap like this. If I'm understanding your situation correctly at the moment the biggest issue is the fact that your DNS provider is presently refusing to allow the www.eunuch.org URL to be recognized on the web, and that they are holding it hostage even though you paid for the registration of that domain name.

Last I checked, that's taking money for services not rendered.

Also, if you're smart, you'll look to host the EA in Canada or The Netherlands, where you can put most of this issue out of reach of people like you're dealing with now. Those two countries seemingly have stronger free speech protections than those of the US.

--LT

Since the domain registration is soon up for renewal, it is an absolutely excellent time to transfer the site's registration to another registrar.

This site has always been hosted by BME located in CANADA.

We the staff are kicking around our options, Kristoff will I am sure keep everybody informed.

As for the MOM event, its still a go, I have everybody's email address and you all should have gotten an email from me last week, If you did not, or you don't want to be lost in this, feel free to send me an email through this site. I will put your name in a data base so you don't get lost in this.

River

Here is where things stand right now as of 5PM CDT. We have found someone to host us at a reasonable fee for a very large amount of storage space and bandwidth - for now everything we would need. The cost is $119 per month, provided we pay a full year in advance. First 30 days free trial. Currently we have about $1,000 in checking, and we have another $100 on the way. That means we need another $328 to cover our cost. There would be no set up fee when the year is paid.

We would be hosted as

eunuchworld.com

pending our efforts to free up eunuch.org. If/when we get that freed up we will establish that as the main address, and use Eunuchworld.com as a redirect, as it is now. We may be off line for a while - BME is closing us down sometime this weekend. We can have eunuchworld.com running by sometime on Monday or Tuesday. Be patient.

So at this time, we are asking for donations to cover the remainder of our expense here to get us going again. Donations may be mailed to

PO Box closed. Please PM Kristoff to mail donations.

or by Paypal at

[email protected]

I am kicking it off with a donation that I can afford; please do what you can afford. We can take foreign (non-US) contributions too. Just takes a while to convert it.

Thanks.

Kristoff

PS: once we are up and running, we will figure out how to do a mass mailing from V Bulletin, and let everyone registered know where we are. That may take a few days.

I sent what little I could via Paypal

It's not a lot, but I sent what I could via Paypal. My measly 15.00 wont go far, but if everyone is willing to contribute a bit, then maybe we can get there.

I DO NOT want to lose this site.

For those who are looking for stories, the Internet Archive aka Wayback Machine has site copies from 2009 and before:

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20110815 ... eunuch.org

I pledge a couple hundred dollars

When

River telephones me between noon and 11 PM California Universal Time

aka California Center of the Universe Time.

Given a phone number, I would telephone River.

Why not bid the Mods out? I bet there are some conservatives out there who might out bid me to give River a slice of their minds, by phone. I may also require the option of calling River "DEAR" on occasions but, that is negotiable.

Oh, I almost forgot, River has to drop doper jokes and references.

<waiting by the phone>

Moi

You know why they call it DOPE don't you?

No number, no call, no money, so sorry, guess the archive goes down the drain.

River

I hate to ask a very stupid question because I'm sure I've read the answer but I can't figure out where, who is the payee on the check? Wyrm Wyvern LLC ?

Sorry to be dumb tonight.

I felt really guilty about how little I contributed, so I just sent you another 15.00 through Paypal. I really hope we find a way to keep the site going.

I sent the money through Paypal to [email protected]

I sent it both times in USD. I hope you can put it to use ASAP.

Please keep us informed.

Dave (imported) wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:46 am I hate to ask a very stupid question because I'm sure I've read the answer but I can't figure out where, who is the payee on the check? Wyrm Wyvern LLC ?

Sorry to be dumb tonight.

kristoff wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:05 am PO Box closed. Please PM Kristoff to mail donations.

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:39 am You know why they call it DOPE don't you?

No number, no call, no money, so sorry, guess the archive goes down the drain.

River

Oh River, DEAR

You know I like it mean and hateful <yum>

Moi's check in real name goes out in tomorrow's mail. Being on a life time pension and knowing how poor some folks here are, my $250 is no doubt regressive compared to the donations against income of others. Sort of Republican.

And they call it Dope to enhance the nicotine and alcohol industries.

Not one cancer associated with Marijuana use. Conjecture and speculation only. No demonstrated clinical studies and you know they try real hard to justify the pseudo prohibition.

I've heard of people dying from alcohol poisoning, ever hear of that for "dope"?

I do hope someone gives River a doobie real soon for private use. I would recommend River starts with the light, leave you functional flavors such as Lavender or Blueberry. More head, less body then say, Pineapple Express.

Any flavor recommendations for River? Pass them on. Maybe if we get an address we can send him buds. That would be fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fphDnT36W4w

See ya

And Great Deity Bless This Board

Moi

Kristoff,

thanks for working out the e-mail contacts, reputation tag delivered.

Hope it is not filtered into Spam folders because of a large send. Y'think? I don't know this stuff.

erikboy (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:46 am For windows XP one must edit hosts file, making following entry:

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184.80.18.34 www.eunuch.org

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Does one need to restart Firefox or restart Windows XP to make this work?

Sent a little bit to help. I'm not the biggest fan of the story archive, but I would greatly miss the forums.

curious_guy (imported) wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:22 pm Does one need to restart Firefox or restart Windows XP to make this work?

I'd say don't bother changing the host file. The Fiction Archive is already down, and the rest of the site will probably be transferred over to it's new address in a week or so.

If you are already here, and posting, you've done all you can.

Apparently we are short on funds for buying into the new hosting site. Best thing to do would be contribute if you are able.

If you can't contribute, see if you can pass the word on how to get back to the EA to any members you see missing.

I'm not speaking with any authority here. I'm sure River or Kristof can give better advice. It just seems best to wait for the new hosting site before making changes to your host files.

Anyone hear of Slammr since the "down".

I sent him an e-mail.

Moi

moi621 (imported) wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:21 pm Anyone hear of Slammr since the "down".

I sent him an e-mail.

Moi

I left a message on his web site with the numerical address of the EA at 12:09 P.M.

curious_guy (imported) wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:22 pm Does one need to restart Firefox or restart Windows XP to make this work?

No need for that. It works immediately after saving that file.