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Hello Bubba and Phil (my little brother)

As you both know I am so happy for both of ya. I wanted to be there with u guy's but you know I couldn't because of the brace on my foot. Boy, that was something you guys went through. I'm glad everything went ok though. And Phil and Bubba, I am so glad you found each other and realize it at this time in your life. Now you both will be able to live a long and happy life together as you said. It's kinda like what Christina and I have...."A Friendship" that will never end. Yes, we might wonder off and a bit...but, our "love and frendship" never will. So, you guys take care and ya know I love ya's....

Your Friend, and big sister, Lilac

Phil and Bubba I am glad you found each other I wish I could find my soul mate seems like I find others that are already taken.Oh well Phil just remember how ever it goes with your parents they still love you and you have done what you needed to do.dave t

I find myself full of admiration for you, and I am proud to have you both as such good friends. You let me know if there is anything I can do to speed your recovery times.

Peace and Love to you and Bubba too.

Phil,

What you and Bubba have sounds poetic. I wish you long, healthy, happy lives together.

Drew

philip1 (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2004 3:26 pm There are things in life you wish you could have avoided doing and perhaps never even considder but you HAD TO DO THEM. I ran into one of those on Friday. I finaly told my parents something I felt I had to tell them ( the fact that I'm a Eunuch). At first they were a little shocked and then they kind of acted like it never happened. Saturday night My mom called up and said some very hurtfull things and told me some things she thought were facts that were total fiction about the effects of castration. I was polite and calmly tried to set things straight but I couldn't get a word in so after all the ranting I said my good byes and hung up. That night was the worst night of my life but with help from some extremely close and not so close (miles wise) friends I am no longer upset. However I have decided that I should not be in comunication with my parents for a while so they can cool down and perhaps get a grip on reality. I'm scared I will have to cut ties with them but I hope I don't. This drama is going to be an on going thing for a while

so bear with me

I support you in becoming a Eunuch and the stands you have to take. There are things in our lives that we have to do but are not fun. Keep a smile and stay positive Phil.. You did the right thing in becoming a Eunuch. In time your parents wil understand.

philip1 (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2004 3:26 pm There are things in life you wish you could have avoided doing and perhaps never even considder but you HAD TO DO THEM. I ran into one of those on Friday. I finaly told my parents something I felt I had to tell them ( the fact that I'm a Eunuch). At first they were a little shocked and then they kind of acted like it never happened. Saturday night

I'm scared I will have to cut ties with them but I hope I don't. This drama is going to be an on going thing for a while

so bear with me Phillip,

Welcome to Eunuch world. You will find there are times and places where we feel free to discuss our personal conditions/situations without consequences. You my friend, found this uncomfortable position first hand with close loved ones.

Upon completion of the final cut, you entered a place in life I call 'Middle World'. Most humans on Earth will not warm up to you or your circumstance as a member of 'Middle World'. That is okay if you understand they have personal needs just as you had/have personal needs in seeking castration. Remember, people don't and won't understand your desire for castration. Don't expect them to be supportive of your personal choice, it won't happen 80-90 percent of the time. After all, you are still the same warm, compassionate man you were before cutting off your testicles. Be okay with that and experience life for all it has to offer.

It won't be long before you realize you're ready to leave 'Middle World'. Your maturation process depends heavily on your understanding of the people around you in regards to castration. Your experience in 'Middle World' will be invaluable. Please keep us posted on your progress.

Take care my fellow Eunuch...

philip1 (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2004 3:26 pm There are things in life you wish you could have avoided doing and perhaps never even considder but you HAD TO DO THEM. I ran into one of those on Friday. I finaly told my parents something I felt I had to tell them ( the fact that I'm a Eunuch). At first they were a little shocked and then they kind of acted like it never happened. Saturday night My mom called up and said some very hurtfull things and told me some things she thought were facts that were total fiction about the effects of castration. I was polite and calmly tried to set things straight but I couldn't get a word in so after all the ranting I said my good byes and hung up. That night was the worst night of my life but with help from some extremely close and not so close (miles wise) friends I am no longer upset. However I have decided that I should not be in comunication with my parents for a while so they can cool down and perhaps get a grip on reality.....

While I'm open about being ballless in the sense that I remain the nudist I was before my balls were harvested and am thus not shy about exhibiting my ballless crotch, I have discovered that one often cannot be totally up front about having followed through on a fixation to become castrated. It's likely not a lot different than telling people that one's a transsexual, and I know from being having been an acquaintance of a few transsexual people that theirs is a very unfortunate lot when it comes to being intimate with others if and when they commence transitioning. Cross dressers also have similar if less intense difficulties in talking to those not familiar with their motivations and the satisfaction they might receive from being in drag. While upwards to 5-6% of men may be gay and many others are bi and most str8s know someone intimately that's gay, the number of men w/o balls is only a very small fraction of this, and many unitiated just don't understand. This goes especially for parents and relatives.

This even goes for one's general medical practicioner. While mine now treats me as just a guy that may have special needs related to the fact I'm ballless, he was shocked the first time I told him as a new patient that I was ballless. I've since learned that the gay clinic to which he's attached has as many as 10 eunuch patients. We're treated just as guys w/o balls.

And in my case I'm not certain I should describe myself as a 'eunuch.' My identity remains more that of a gay man. I'm receiving HRT. I remain sexually active. I'm just a guy w/o balls. I can discuss how I became that way w/ some people, but not w/ many others.

You're correct to allow time for them to cool off. You may even have been surprised at your mum's response because she'd already accepted the fact that you're gay. I can understand why you felt a need to tell them at this time. You'd just succeeded in completing your trip to balllessness and eunuchhood.

JeffEunuch (imported) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2005 10:40 pm You're correct to allow time for them to cool off. You may even have been surprised at your mum's response because she'd already accepted the fact that you're gay. I can understand why you felt a need to tell them at this time. You'd just succeeded in completing your trip to balllessness and eunuchhood.

Just to clarify, Phil is not gay. He has always been non-sexual and now his body and hormones match the person who's always been inside.

Yes, we are each other's soulmate. We complete and truly love each other for the people we are, not our gender or lack thereof. What we have is pure and unconditional; something the vast majority of people of any sexual orientation wish they might have themselves. Fortunately what we have is not based on lust/sex and never has been nor will be for that would only ruin things that are so incredibly great now.

It pains me deeply the hurt and sorrow Phil is experiencing from this situation. My experiences with my "parents" has left us not speaking in over 12 years, and that's preferable for me. Phil loves his family and shared the fact that he is now happy for the first time in life as a Eunuch with them because he cares and wants them to understand and be happy for him. One can only hope they come around and accept him for the person he's always been, nothing has changed except his hormone levels and a few dangly bits are now gone. He's the same wonderful person he's always been, only better for the lack of testosterone.

We will get through this and the other challenges we may face in life no matter the results.

Thanks everybody for your support and Bub thank you for being such a great and close friend. There is a long and difficult path ahead of me and I don't know exactly where it leads but with this kind of support I will survive the passage.

thanks again everyone for the support and encouragement I really need it

Phil and Bubba,

Damn about Phil's mom, but don't lose perspective. Now for the first time without testicles you can truely be yourselves and live the dream. And don't forget that other eunuchs and guys like me who love eunuchs are understanding and supportive.

Drew

Phil Iam sorry that your mom is taking it so hard, just please leave the lines of comunication open. dave

Phill if you feel as i do you are so happy to finaly get this behind you and be the person you always felt you should be you want to tell the world.I to have regertted telling some people but unlike you i am not brave enough to tell my family you see my family would never understand and would just make fun of me and laugh behind and in front of me.Some things we do in life we need to just keep to ourselves but i know you made the right decission and after they cool off maybe you can have a long lunch with them and get this matter behind you.Phill you are such a wonderful person i just hate to see you have to go through this but remember we all love you and do call me if you need to talk and i am counting the days until i get to meet you this summer .

Take care son

1 week 3 days post op and I am healing supprisingly fast the incision to remove my scrotum i would guess is 5-6 inches long and there is kniting the full length. My soule mate Bubba is healing almost as fast which is a huge releif to both of us and we hope to get these @#$%$&^* stitches out soon. I will keep everyone posted on how things are going both health wise and with my family. thanks for the Love and support everyone

I'm sorry to hear that things became difficult for you and your family. I hope it all works out for you hon. I'm delighted to hear that you and Bubba are healing quickly. That's wonderful. So, uhh, keep it up, and take care of yourselves, ok?

spoke to my mom today and things are smoothing out the hysteria has passed and the calm questions can now be asked and answered there are many they have and i am glad they haven't written me off as a son

Phil,

If you hadn't been preparing your mother for this, I can well imagine her reacting in shock and horror at what you'd done. It will take some time and gentle conversation to demonstrate to her that what you did was not only rational but the best possible way for you to improve your quality of life. A parent's love will bring her to understanding, but it may take a while.

Best wishes in the effort,

Jesus

This journey has been an interesting one, the experiences good and bad have taught me many things

philip1 (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2004 3:26 pm . The most important thing this journey has taught me is life is too valuable to toss in the waste bin. In December I experienced one of the darkest times of my life. I became depressed early in the month but not too bad I thought I could handle it. Soon I was spiraling into a suicidal hole and I was entertaining thoughts of killing myself. one day I scared myself when I said out loud "Why not just end it now" that convinced me that I was DEFINATELY NOT in controll. that verry minute I put away my gun (yes I have a gun and it was loaded at the time) and hid my bullets so at least I'd be forced to make some noise trying to find them so someone could stop me. Thankfully I had Bubba keeping a terrified eye on me so I couldn't do anything stupid. The reasons for the depression don't matter the truth that it will happen to some extent to anyone

that is castrated is the reason I wrote this up

philip1 (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2004 3:26 pm . I hope this helps those out there who are recently castrated or considdering it to be aware that they need someone to keep a close watch on them as this could KILL them as it nearly did me.

P.S. Jesus this is the addition I heald back

But have you felt better after getting castrated? Has it helped?

Phil,

I'm glad you added the note on DEPRESSION. It can be serious, and it can kill. Doctors and psychologists have long known that a sudden decrease in estrogen can trigger severe depression in post-menopausal woman. What's only recently become known is that sudden decrease in testosterone can do the same in men.

Knowing in advance of the potential problem can do much toward controling it. Your first-hand account may help a number of people to avoid what you went through.

Thank you for being willing to share this.

Jesus

Uhm, Phil, I like to think you're braced for a wave of post partum depression over the second testicle and that losing the gun might be a good idea.

I am posting today because I am happy. I'm happy Bubba loves me I'm happy that I have a home and a job that pays the bills that I have.

I am also hopefull i am hopefull that Bubba will get the job he wants and I am hopefull that my parents will understand me better after I talk to them this saturday.

When I count my blessings I run out of time and fingers before I run out of blessings. this tells me that life is good and I have been very blessed in every way.

Phill you have been blessed because you have a love for others and that shows you also are like me happy to be the person you always wanted to be and that makes me very happy for you.I am glad to have you as my friend thats one of my blessings .

today

philip1 (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2004 3:26 pm I had my long awaited rational talk with my parents.

Things went really well. I informed them of conditions they both are going through and I think they both realized that I have really done my reserch and have studied this thouroughly and really do know what the hell I'm talking about. They both have agreed with my reasoning for having this procedure done and we are now on the same page as far as emotions. I am glad they were willing to let me say what had to be said and reserve judgement till i had finished what I had to say. The only thing they wished I had done differently was include them earlier but they both said that they think they would have drawn the same conclusion as I did in the end.

philip1 (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2004 3:26 pm Once again I remind my self that I am the exception not the rule I was blessed with rapid healing a loving genuinely caring family and friends that really do care. Please do not consid

der my story the norm

philip1 (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2004 3:26 pm there is no norm in the case of castration. Every one is different every case is different. you need to think about everyone in your life before you take this step as it will affect them good or bad. I have said this many times in the past castration is not for everyone, do your reserch, ask your self will this be a benefit or a detriment to my life and most of all how will this change my life good or bad. If there is one iota of doubt DO NOT DO IT!!!! I was fortunate enough to have no doubts

but if I had one even a twinge I would have stopped. so consid

philip1 (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2004 3:26 pm der things carefully before you make any "life changing" decisions about your body or anything else in your life