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Is it possibly to maintain one's health after being castrated without HRT?

I think I'm liking being as I am now, without E or T.

I am a no HRT eunuch and I have health concerns not so much from a lack of T but family history and my own bad behaviors. I do not feel being a eunuch has negatively effected my health. I have struggled with my weight pre and post castration and with the excess weight, family history I am now a diabetic. I suffered from hypoglycemia prior to castration which is an indicator diabetes is in your future. I have also had high blood pressure, another family gift, since my mid 20's. Even while thin my blood pressure was elevated. I have not had a bonescan so I do not know about my bone strength but I have always taken calcium.

Quality of life has been good for me. I am rarely sick but with the occasional sinus troubles. I feel good physically and have a higher and more consistent levels of happiness. The ten years as a eunuch have been better then the 41 before. I do need to exercise more.

twaddler (imported) wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:39 pm Is it possibly to maintain one's health after being castrated without HRT?

I think I'm liking being as I am now, without E or T.

Well I'm only been off T for a few months, but I've had long talks with my GP, now I'm 62, so things are a little different between me and a 20 something. For me, there are few problems living without T, I would say the only problem I have is it's harder to get out of bed in the morning to take my 3 mile power walk. My upper body strenght is decreasing but come on I'm 62 it was going to happen sometime soon anyhow. She told me at my age if I'm going to have bone problems it won't be from no T.

I think if you work out, eat close to well, don't posion yourself with drugs and smoking with or without T you'll live healthy.

My 2 cents.

Pauline.

I'm also a no HRT eunuch. Castrated relatively young at 33. I DO HAVE osteoporosis. That's not much fun but with proper treatment (for life) one can live with it. Fosomax or similar will get you past the osteo issues. Otherwise I have only noticed a propensity for weight gain (I was up to 250 lbs at 5 feet 7 inches. I have been dieting and am down to 189 lbs). Watching your calories must be a lifelong occupation of the no HRT eunuch (normally - results may vary). I have also lost a lot of muscle mass since being cut. My 16 year old cousin can arm wrestle me down quickly indeed! I would do it all again though and do not feel that I made a mistake. I am happy and a better person than I was before

I am on HRT and wanting to get off. Being 69 (well, 70 in about 3 weeks) and no bone loss, I think that I might be able to go off hrt with few effects. Probably mainly they would be loss of muscle strength and gain weight...but those can be helped otherwide.

Between chemical and real castration I have been off of testosterone for over 5 years. My health is good. I do have osteoporosis and take medication for it. My strength is less and do not have as much energy as before. Emotions are very much different. They are stronger and no longer suppressed. My doctor has offered me HRT many times and I refused to even try it. I am so much more happy with my present "ME". There is so many more pluses for me in the present that I will live with the few negatives that come with it. In any life type you will have the good and the bad. One has to pick the one that fits them the best and accept that life.

The answer is that basically no one really knows. There are studies pointing both ways, both that low T increases and decreases the risk for certain health problems.

This is especially true for heart disease. For a long time it was believed that T increases the risk for heart disease due to it creating an unfavorable lipid profile. But now other studies are showing a correlation between low T and heart disease.

The one thing that is fairly certain is that low T increases the risk of osteoporosis and nearly eliminates the risk for prostate problems. But everything else is speculation, and there are studies that people on both sides of the issue can use to prove their points.

We know so little about the human body as a whole. We really have no idea what screwing with the natural system does over the long-term, and we may never fully understand it.

I'd say the best advice is to live a life that makes you happy because you only live once, and you don't want to force yourself to do all the burdensome things to supposedly stay healthy everyday of your life, live to be 90, and then say you haven't lived a day in your life. Quantity of years count for squat if they aren't quality. Just do what you need to do and let nature take care of the rest.

guess it depends on the person I am 24 suffered Orchitis of both testicles and I am on 5 mg on Testosterone gel every 12 hours so 10 mg a day and without it I just do not feel myself, I am a dominate guy and the depression on HRT has as well gone away, It just really sepends on the person.

I live have my testosterone at its best, some guys just want enough where they do not develop bone disease etc, some of us like to have our full feelings and normal abilities back.

It is not the same as when I was fully functioning properley as of yet, but it it a change for the best for me.

I too am a non-HRT castrated male, fast approaching 2 years now. During the later part of 2007 I began to think I needed HRT because of energy loss. I refrained from jumping into that box, and find now that my energy is coming back, albeit slowly. The other health conditions that I have seem to be unaffected by the presence or absence of T. The only thing I can point to that apparently has been affected by the loss of T is that my fingernails seem to be more "delicate", meaning more easily broken.

I think the best answer to your question is that it really depends on the person involved.

I've been without T for almost 9 months, and I feel very well, thank you. I'm having a bone scan in a few weeks, and some other blood work, but I've really had no significant problems. I take a calcium supplement, I try to stay active, and I watch my diet. One downside is that a level of diet/exercise that would have had me losing weight before, now only keeps my weight the same.

I can assure you, I feel like a human being for the first time in my life.

Falcon.

I have not been on any H.R.T or do I ever plan on it so far I feel pretty good I do however take vitamins I found gnc to have the best

2 multi 2 calcium 1000 and 1 d3 1000 at 5 am and 2 calcium 1000 at 4 pm

Out of curiosity, is anyone taking HRT solely for strength issues? I do seem to have lost noticeable strength without testosterone.

Falcon (imported) wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:37 am Out of curiosity, is anyone taking HRT solely for strength issues? I do seem to have lost noticeable strength without testosterone.

If you take it for strength issues, Mr T will claim that is abuse, as only people who take testosterone for the same reason he takes it are exempt. BUT, I only care about helping people with knowledge, so, if you want great strength, Enanthate seems to be superior for that. It works better than just about all other forms of testosterone for this purpose.

I am considering HRT because of two things strength and energy both of which I have lost a lot but those are so far just annoying.

Without any Testosterone in my system being 24 now, it is very hard.

I am on 10 mg of Testosterone gel which has been helping, I guess I have to be patient for the other effects to take place.

I have no longer been though depressed.

while I only have one side out, if I drop off my gel, my numbers drop below 100, Im not as full of energy, but I am calmer,

when I get the other side out, Im going to go for a while with out , and see whether I get the calm and like it or get frustrated,

but Im also scared to death about osteo, so I know I have to keep up the hrt overall to prevent the osteo from starting,

going to be some interesting experiences for me shortly

I wonder if going on a small dose of female hormones would be a good strategy for those who want to avoid osteo, but keep the benefits of castration? One would have to be content with a certain degree of feminization though.

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BudleyBare (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:07 pm The only thing I can point to that apparently has been affected by the loss of T is that my fingernails seem to be more "delicate", meaning more easily broken.

Yoli here,

Bradley...I mean Snerdly...errrrr...BUDLEY...sorry. I'm one of those girls that does NOT do the artificial nail thing and I almost never break any of my 10 nails.

The secret? Simple! Just buy some packets of Knox Unflavored Gelatin (in a box, like Spenda or Sweet and/or Low) and each day dissolve a packet into a glass of orange (or other type) juice and drink it allllllll down...That's a good boy!

After 60-90 days you're nails will be stronger and more flexible AND possibly smoother and clearer. Also, gelatin will "lube" your joints and that's a real plus, especially as you age.

My nails are strong and so clear that the pretty pink beneath makes them look like they gotten a coat of a slightly-tinted polish...fingers, thumbs, and the toes I love to show off and tease with. I'm so proud of my assorted digits that I rarely use an opaque polish.

Again, bite the bullet and try what I recommend. It'll take 60-90 days to really show improvement but it WILL work. I also eat a serving of JELLO(TM) at least three times a week, sometime with fruit molded, sometimes not, and that is provably beneficial as well, but is NOT a subsitute for the Knox Gelatin.

Once you've reached the level of improvement you desire you can do the gelatin bit three times a week, eat JELLO at least twice a week, and you should "maintain".

So as your sweet little limp (I assume) peepee is concerned, sadly, neither the gelatin nor the JELLO will offer much benefit...

Yoli

Who knows about this stuff.

Yoli again,

I meant 20 nails and I apologize for "you're" when "your" was appropriate.

Darned Margaritas!

Y.

Yoli is 100% correct. I am genetic female and have always had soft fingernails. Since I have only five, I try to take good care of them. I learned early on, that one of the easiest and least expensive ways is good old fashioned Jello. Time proven and safe. Works for Women, Men and Eunuchs.

Succinctly, I couldn't deal with the hot flashes, fatigue or malaise. They were more powerful and crushing to me than I would have imagined. I'm on low doses of estrogen and progesterone now, and feeling pretty darned good!

My lack of motivation--that's something else altogether!

twaddler (imported) wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:39 pm Is it possibly to maintain one's health after being castrated without HRT?

I think I'm liking being as I am now, without E or T.

Yes it is very possible to maintain your health without hrt. Just eat your vegetables like your grandmother told you. They have phytoestrogens for your heart and calcium plus other minerals and nutrients for your bones. Yes they do. They really do. No, honestly they really do. The argument against the spiel about testosterone for your heart and osteoporosis is this: The body takes all estrogenic compounds (of which testosterone is one) and slightly alters their chemical structure for what the body needs anyway. If you don't have enough the body skimps somewhere and if you have plenty then your heart and bones are taken care of. It's that simple. It really is. Of course the body ages anyway no matter what you do for it but if you take care of it then it will go that much further. I myself am dealing with prediabetes (since I am mtdna haplogroup B2a which is prone to diabetes) and I have limited my carbohydrates to only so much and at certain times. But I have never been on hrt.

devi (imported) wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:29 am Yes it is very possible to maintain your health without hrt. Just eat your vegetables like your grandmother told you. They have phytoestrogens for your heart and calcium plus other minerals and nutrients for your bones. But I have never been on hrt.

Thank you for this Post!

I have been looking for eunuchs or people who have lost their sex organs and do not medicate with hrt. This is truly inspiring to me. I wish you would share more about your experiences.

Just be very careful.

Even with eating right, and taking in lots of calcium, D, etc, if it still possible to wind up with issues regarding bone density. If you are determined to go without hormones in your life, I would highly recommend that you keep up with regular bone scans, just to be on the safe side. They can't hurt, and could save you from future troubles down the road.

I have now been a full eunuch for 12 days now. The hot flashes that come at night are very strong and annoying as they interfere with normal sleep. Despite this, I do not plan to take any HRT. I'm hopeful that the hot flashes will subside in time.