Kimmel.

[BossTamsin (imported)]

Helsinki. (http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=14773)

AshleyFox. (http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=14641)

Kangan. (http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=14406)

I'm sure there are others. I've put a call out on the main page to see if maybe there are others out there who have had better experiences, but there seems to be a clear and disturbing trend.

As much as I hate to say it, its definitely sounding like time to stop recommending Kimmel. Admittedly, this is a tough decision, in that I can't think of any one to recommend instead.

What do you folks say?

[Paolo]

I recently receive another email from a non EA-person claiming much the same story.

I will not reveal his identity, mainly because I don't know it, other than a first name that may or may not be real.

As it stands, I have no reason to doubt this person.

I also have no reason to doubt at 'least' one of the aforementioned.

Granted, even a "simple" tonsillectomy" can go wrong, but with this man's level of experience, and combined with age, this could well be a symptom that he is due to retire.

I have spoken online and in person with more than a few bungled cases from Dr. Spector's latter days.

I do not wish to see the same thing happen again.

[kristoff]

In the past I have suggested that folks go see Kimmel. For the past couple of months I have not, and in fact recommend that his services not be utilized. I have heard too many adverse comments from too many sources, not just those posted.

I was one of the last victims of Felix Spector. He very nearly killed me with his incompetence. He practiced beyond the time he should have retired. Between the state's attorney, and mine, Spector was removed of his license and put out of practice. It may well be time for Kimmel's license to be challenged as well.

At this point, I would strongly recommend that folks do NOT go to Kimmel.

[MacTheWolf (imported)]

Since Kimmel is no longer to be trusted, somebody needs to go look for a new urologist or maybe a choice of 2-3 whom we can recommend.

If we have no one to point wannabes toward, I fear we'll have an increase in DIY's and NONE of us want that nor the negative attention it could bring to the Eunuch Archive.

The EA is not known outside a select circle of interested parties and we need to keep it out of the eyes of the mainstream press or awareness.

[Batman (imported)]

According to the State website his medical license expired at the end of the year. You can search by name or license MD024635L http://www.licensepa.state.pa.us/

Batman

[DeaconBlues (imported)]

If you all pass the hat around and pay for me to go to med school, I will do free castration for all EA members!

OK, all kidding aside, seriously, we should maybe put together a medical advisor and referral thing or something like that. There HAS to be some starving medical student somewhere, who would gladly step into the role of "top scapel" as the EA reccommended castration surgeon.

I am sure that over the careers of Dr. Spector and Dr. Kimmel, much of thier wealth came as a direct product of EA discussions, and reccommendation.

Now it seems time for a new surgeon, Dr. Kimmel seems to be overdue for retirement. I think we should contact a few of the better known urological and gender reassignment surgeons, and see if they are interested in becomming the EA's new surgeon of first reccommendation or if they know of a new "up and comming" surgeon who they would reccommend.

The selected surgeon would certainly get more patients as a direct result of the EA endorsement, maybe offering a slight discount for patients refered from the EA.

[bobbie (imported)]

Most of his operations may go well. The few that do not go well are the ones that can kill the person. If he is not using proper sterilization the chance of him passing a deadly disease is very possible. Do I hear AIDS or something like that? When you have to go on heavy antibiotics to rid yourself from the infection there must be a major problem in the operation method. More then just two people have had infections from their castrations in resent months.

I have been a very strong promoter of Dr Kimmel for many years. I kept saying that he was the best choice. I find it hard to support him now. Anyone wanting the sack removal should consider not to go to the doctor at all. The difficulty of the operation is far greater. The amount of mistakes and problems are increased greatly. Would think having a problem is very great.

Going to Dr Kemmel need to have a disclaimer of Do at your own risk of life.

[mrt (imported)]

SIGH... Kimmel might be willing to do this with less discussion or paperwork but... Is that really so great? And if he is also botching things?

I know I've posted a similar list but... Here goes again.

Some of these doctors main gigs are doing GRS for Transexual people but three of them that I spoke to were receptive to doing it for Orchialgia and btw were ok doing testicular implants. The others I never spoke to so... The repeating request that they made was a simple note from your Therapist (Saying you understood what you were asking for and were sane) and or your GP noting that you had gone over the procedure and what the effects would be. Which seems to me to not be such a huge deal???

Dr. Marci Bowers, M.D. Colorado

Dr. Christine McGinn, D.O. Bensalem, Pennsylvania

Dr. Gary Alter LA / NYC

Harold M. Reed Miami, Florida, USA

Timothy Terry Leicester, United Kingdom

Tuan Nguyen Lake Oswego, Oregon, USA

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Thailand Doctors that may be able to help

The Samui Clinic

Website http://www.srsthailand.com/framestart.html

Island of Koh Samui, Thailand

Dr. Chettawut

Website: http://www.chet-plasticsurgery.com/

Bangkok, Thailand

Dr. Pichet

Website: http://www.bangkokplasticsurgery.com/main.html

Bangkok, Thailand

Dr. Preecha

Orchiectomy page: http://www.pai.co.th/services/services. ... ices_id=45

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A link to India Medical Tourists and men seeking Orchiectomy

http://www.tour2india4health.com/orchie ... -india.htm

[tugon (imported)]

In this day and age of many superbugs and mutated staph organisms cleanliness where a surgery is being performed is of the utmost importance. Any place you go if it does not look clean it is not. Also most healthcare places performing surgery are using more and more one time use items that are prepackaged and sterile until used and then discarded. This may add some cost to the procedure but reduce the number of ER visits afterwards. It does not sound like Kimmel is using current best practices.

Another concern for healthcare workers is the risk of being exposed to various staphs and themselves being colonized by staph. One of the checks we would undergo was a nasal swab to check us out. Staph infections were a concern for those with a compromised immune system. Patients suffering from long term illnesses or undergoing chemo therapy were at great risk. Any patient with MRSA would be isolated from other patients.

I think above and beyond the questions about his operating area and sterile technique are the concerns over his declining mental abilities. Yes it sounds like the Doctor's abilities as a surgeon are fading.

[SplitDik (imported)]

OK, all kidding aside, seriously, we should maybe put together a medical advisor and referral thing or something like that. There HAS to be some starving medical student somewhere, who would gladly step into the role of "top scapel" as the EA reccommended castration surgeon.

The problem is that there is no reason for a good surgeon to pick up this business. It does not pay particularly well, and is at the fringe of medical community (probably considered unethical by most medical boards).

I do recommend that all transsexuals should take advantage of the fact that medical community does consider SRS as ethical and go ahead and do it through proper channels. No transsexual should need to either a cutter or a sketchy doctor -- there are good doctors that will do the job well for you.

The rest of us (non-transsexual castration seekers) are the ones that seem will have to continue to be relegated to seeking out fringe doctors.

Anyway, everyone please take care!

[JesusA]

This situation has, unfortunately, been building for a long while. Dr. Kimmel is getting older and his skills are declining. He earned his medical degree in 1954! It was only a matter of time before he would reach the point where many here might think that some cutter whom they find over the Internet would do a better job.

Those of us behind the scenes of the Eunuch Archive have been working on a better plan, one that is coming along well. MRT has the right idea. There are currently a few very competent urologists who may, with proper referral, be willing to help both patients with severe orchialgia and those who are Male-to-Eunuch. We need to find more of them AND educate them properly about the need that they would fulfill.

Toward that end, a group of us has submitted a proposal for a Male-to-Eunuch Standards of Care to the International Journal of Transgenderism. We will be presenting the proposal at the next scheduled meetings of both the World Professional Association for Transgender Health and the World Congress of Sexology. We have approached the American Urological Association to help find willing surgeons. We hope that 2009 will be a breakthrough year for attention to the needs of Archive members.

Do not do anything dangerous when competent real help may be soon available.

[Uncle Flo (imported)]

I am saddened and disappointed with this development. I have been watching reports of Dr. Kimmel for a long time. I was hoping that he would hang on for a while longer in order to provide services in a safe manner for those who feel they have no appropriate, affordable alternatives. --FLO--

[tugon (imported)]

Toward that end, a group of us has submitted a proposal for a Male-to-Eunuch Standards of Care to the International Journal of Transgenderism. We will be presenting the proposal at the next scheduled meetings of both the World Professional Association for Transgender Health and the World Congress of Sexology. We have approached the American Urological Association to help find willing surgeons. We hope that 2009 will be a breakthrough year for attention to the needs of Archive members.

Do not do anything dangerous when competent real help may be soon available.

Thank you Jesus! I am glad to read hope may be on the way. When you do not have an underlying medical condition it is very difficult to find a surgeon willing to talk with you. I had spoken with a urologist I worked closely with in health care and he never took me seriously. I had to find my own way. Some have physical pain from their testicles but I had emotional pain from mine. Both I am sure have reduced quality of life for the suffering involved. One day open and supportive care may be available to all regardless of cause of need.

[Hash (imported)]

I was disappointed a few years ago, when I asked Dr. Kimmel if he was looking for someone to take over his practice, he said no one would want too because of malpractice insurance premiums and lawyers. I can understand what he means, doctors are being sued for all kinds of things, some not of their doing. My cousin is a osteopath emergency physician in Florida and it's unbelievable what people have done to him. There needs to be a cap on the amount that people are awarded in the courts, I think that's why medical insurance is so high to begin with. Back to Dr. Kimmel. He should be looking for someone to take over, most all doctors do. I bet he does, Spector got him to sign on. Hash

[bobbie (imported)]

Think we may not have looked at one other possible major and serious condition at Dr. Kemmels. I have not seen the operating room. It sounds like there are some concerns about how sterile it is. Yes he gives you antibiotics for possible infection. That will not treat some of the more dangerous diseases that can be spread. One very scary disease comes to mind is AIDS. No matter what he can give in antibiotics some things can be spread if the room is not cleaned between operation. If he is not following proper robing methodes He is a walking bug farm. Cross contamation of body fluids is very serious.

As I said I have not been there. From what I read I can only guess. That is my one cent worth. Would be more if I seen it.

[tugon (imported)]

Think we may not have looked at one other possible major and serious condition at Dr. Kemmels. I have not seen the operating room. It sounds like there are some concerns about how sterile it is. Yes he gives you antibiotics for possible infection. That will not treat some of the more dangerous diseases that can be spread. One very scary disease comes to mind is AIDS. No matter what he can give in antibiotics some things can be spread if the room is not cleaned between operation. If he is not following proper robing methodes He is a walking bug farm. Cross contamation of body fluids is very serious.

As I said I have not been there. From what I read I can only guess. That is my one cent worth. Would be more if I seen it.

The HIV virus is very weak outside the body and dies very quickly. Hepatitis virus can live in dried blood for up to two weeks. Hepatitis and staph are the things to fear in an unclean surgical area.

[Hash (imported)]

When I was castrated, Joe the nurse took additional time cleaning the area before I was ever allowed to enter the surgical room.

[transward (imported)]

] [PA, USA] Philadelphia: Dr. Murray Kimmel closes practic

Posted by: "Stephanie Stevens" [email protected]

Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:21 pm (PST)

Transsexual Road Map Notes, USA

Tuesday, January 13, 2009

Philadelphia: Dr. Murray Kimmel closes practice

Dr. Murray Kimmel, a Philadelphia urologist who provided hormones and

low-cost orchiectomies for trans people, has closed his office. A

reader notes:

Dr. Murray Kimmel is no longer practicing. His office was

recently "closed permanently due to illness" according to a letter I

got from a lawyer's office (in response to my regular request for

hormones), so I guess his status should be changed to (inactive).

Those of us who were his patients now have to find our hormones

elsewhere without even so much as a referral.

Further reading:

Orchiectomy resources

<http://www.tsroadmap.com/physical/orchi ... index.html>

This is talk, not advice. See Terms of Use for details.

Posted by Andrea James on 01/13 at 10:24 AM

Got this in a newsletter -- thought you all would like to know

Transward

[The Lurker (imported)]

Sorry about the challenge in finding hormones, but otherwise this is great news. He was gonna kill somebody...

[Uncle Flo (imported)]

I take no joy in losing Dr. Kimmel, nor in his increasing lack of ability. He filled a niche no one else was willing to tackle. The only good news is that no more harm will be done to those who consulted him in good faith of his abilities. --FLO--

[OneBallBoi (imported)]

As a Chat Room Op, it greatly saddens me that we no longer have any legal Doctor that we can recommend to someone who longs to become a Eunuch. I look at this as an end of an Era. Those of us who are Eunuch will evenually die off and in time there will be an end to the Third Gender.

[Hash (imported)]

Perhaps this will cause a spike or rise in self-attempted castrations. It is hard to believe that getting castrated will become more difficult; because of the requirements that most physicians put in place,

but maybe that's a good thing. With Dr. Kimmel anyone could basically walk in and get castrated, but some regretted it later. Now, because castration will become more difficult to achieve, hopefully there will be fewer who regret being castrated. But I suppose the opposite might be true, if it's more difficult to find a doctor willing to castrate you, more men will take matters into their own hands. Time will tell.

[nullorchis (imported)]

It seems likely that people do not spend years of their lives and thousands of dollars going to MED school, to seek a career, or sub-career, in doing voluntary castrations. Toss in consequences of becoming a professional and social outcast plus legal restrictions and liabiality issues and one can imagine that there are many dis-incentives for any qualified person to perform such operations.

Even so, at some point there is bound to be someone who falls out of grace in their profession for one reason or another, but is otherwise licensed and qualified, and they need to make money, and they might add voluntary castration to their menu of services.

I wonder just how far off shore a ship must sail, and under what flag it must fly, before legal and liability issues can be avoided; not that this would be an affordable alternative.

Many natural non-toxic herbs are available at affordable prices that can provide some assistance in the battle to destroy those nastly little testosterone hormones. A visit to any number of male body building web sites will provide lots of information; their goal is to pump up testosterone and there is loads of information on what to take to pump up testosterone, and what to avoid that interferes with testosterone.

[fhunter]

I wonder just how far off shore a ship must sail, and under what flag it must fly, before legal and liability issues can be avoided; not that this would be an affordable alternative.

Wikipedia says - 24 nautical miles to the exclusive economic zone, 200 nautical miles to international waters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_waters

PS. Probably not on ship - but on floating platform... but we are going off topic here...

[JesusA]

I know that we all expected Dr. Kimmel to retire sometime soon. His advancing age was beginning to show in his work. What is unexpected is its suddenness and his lack of provision for a successor.

The one positive that I can report so far is that our presentation to

the American Urological Association

resulted in a request for more information, not a rejection. It's much too early to tell what the final result will be, but we are optimistic that there will be urologists/surgeons willing to help.