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Oh, how I miss Blaise.

Apparently, he felt the sting off censorship, complained and got thrown of the Board. Well he did throw down the gauntlet but, still was banning necessary ?

For months I have witnessed some of my posts just, disappearing. No explanation. Just gone.

Okay, this is a "private Board" and if I don't like it I can leave. Understood.

But, dear censor -

I PM with many members. And some who have become bored and drifted off along with some who have been around for years and feel this board is steadily becoming, 'borifed'. And I beg them not to leave and to help make this place more, stimulating.

Well when the, thought control police are active, only the most mundane remains. A truism.

So dear Mr. Censor, whichever moderator you may be, please, try edit uploads you don't like and leave reason why rather then total deletion.

The deleted post was in the General Health area, a discussion of Asthma and the importance of water. It offered further discussion per the Board members' interests and direction. Water is hardly a prescription item.

And please do not tell me to change my password. There has been too much messing with my account for you not to recognize who's computer it is coming from. AND my password cannot substantially reduce my repute.

Will the involved moderator please speak up?

What is the problem?

You really seek a more boring Board and to loose some of your best and most stimulating uploaders?

If not, then I hope you use your records and E-Mail, Blaise and invite him back for starters.

Challenging the moderators to throw him off and being thrown off is hardly an open minded attitude from the involved moderator. It does serve as a demonstration of "power". I now sense Blaise feeling what I am now and that was why he challenged the mods.

I am not challenging. I am appealing for more tolerance and less censorship except where Children are concerned. Even nasty personal comments could be edited out with an edit note and warning to the author.

The ball is in your court censoring moderator.

Sincerely And Appreciative of This Board

Moi

Wasn't me...just so you know.

As for Blaise, he threw a fit when I turned off the Political Forum to avoid the shitstorm that I was knew was coming with the last presidential election. Apparently, it made him angry enough to ask to be banned. If temporarily turning off that forum was provocation, then I guessed he was provoked enough.

I wasn't aware that the Archive was the only place online to argue politics.

He dared anyone on Staff to ban him, so I did. As I recall, he even said "please".

I thought that was nice.

He also knows that all he has to do to be reinstated is apologize. It's not like the Staff here can't be found via IM or email.

P.

Are PM's truly, Private ?

Here is Blaise's post http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showpos ... ostcount=1

Please remove me from this forum. I no longer feel I can take part in this forum.

They only did what he asked. Maybe, he doesn't want to come back. Have you asked him? In any case - given they only did as he asked - it's up to him to make the first move.

It's not unusual for members to become bored and leave. It's more unusual for some to stay year after year.

Moi,

Are they private?

Actually, no.

Any Mod. on any board who has administrative access can go "through the back door" and get into any member's account and do anything.

Personally, I would never commit a violation of trust like that.

The worst I've ever done is change A1's avatar...

Paolo wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:37 am Wasn't me...just so you know.

As for Blaise, he threw a fit when I turned off the Political Forum to avoid the shitstorm that I was knew was coming with the last presidential election. Apparently, it made him angry enough to ask to be banned. If temporarily turning off that forum was provocation, then I guessed he was provoked enough.

I wasn't aware that the Archive was the only place online to argue politics.

He dared anyone on Staff to ban him, so I did. As I recall, he even said "please".

I thought that was nice.

He also knows that all he has to do to be reinstated is apologize. It's not like the Staff here can't be found via IM or email.

P.

It is like Gates, the threatening 5'3" frail obviously educated

Black man vs the

We expect the to be the bigger man although both could be

considered at fault. But, the showed only he was the more powerful

man.

I know what Blaise did and it wasn't that bad.

The moderator could have just ignored his request.

I know he ain't gonna apologize.

The moderators are a collection of educated people and should know that

even, Moi has done some uploading while intoxicated.

A challenge to be banned over the closure of the Political area should have been ignored and not a demonstration of, power. Thus we lost a heavily flavored, independent and stimulating contributor.

WHERE IS THE ASTHMA THREAD

AND IMPORTANCE OF WATER POST PLACED IN

GENERAL HEALTH AREA ?

Or more properly, WHY ?

If it was not an action of a Moderator then a

Moderator certainly knows the, assumed other computer ID,

that is hacking into my account. Yes?

My disappearing uploads are not blind occurrences for those

who can look at my PM's. Yes ?

Gracias.

PS Maybe the mods will round table on their own principles and

let the rest of us know the rules. P = Private, or Not ?

Uploads secretly deleted or note of editing ?

To me so simple, morality and ethics.

No member bashing or Children involvement are the only rules I know.

For what it is worth, I am the heavy, and you have pushed your limits with me too far. Bye bye

I never hacked your account. But I have shit canned several of your posts - they weren't so innocent, and we both know why. You pushed beyond where you were warned not to go.

can mods see the private "messages via email?"

can they see me right now ?

Just for the record here, I went into the back room to check the list of those who have been banned from the Archive. The information only goes back as far as December of 2006, so we have 32 months of records and 26 people have been banned in that period (one of them twice under different names). That's less than one per month.

Spammers are one category that gets instantly banned when detected. Anyone who offers to cut is also banned immediately. Abusive or racist language will get a warning, but will result in banning if continued. Those three categories account for most of those who have been banned.

There are also a couple of kids who registered. For legal reasons, we cannot allow anyone under the age of 18 to be a member and to post or ask questions here. Personally, I think that's unfortunate. The survey results show that a number of the members here (all now over the age of 18) made serious attempts at self-castration before the age of 18, at least a couple of them succeeding. The kids need accurate information on how dangerous self-surgery can be. They need to fully understand the consequences of their actions. Engaging in dialogue would probably be better than going it alone, or only reading posts with no possibility to ask questions.

I have stayed in touch with Blaise. He and I exchange emails and talk on the phone once in a while. I've asked him to consider returning to the Archive, but he hasn't wanted to yet. Maybe some day. I, too, miss his posts.

randy (imported) wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:47 am can mods see the private "messages via email?"

can they see me right now ?

The only way I could read any of your messages that weren't sent to me is to go in the back door, hack your p-word, then sign in as you, and then read. Not generally worth the effort, I would think.

Every time I just about get ready to start thinking about being active on the forums again, something like this happens to remind me yet again of why I don't post. I've been lurking on here for years and years, far longer than I have been a member, with sporadic periods of more active participation. In fact, I think I've been here in one form or another almost from the beginning (Bboy was a friend and I miss him every day).

I'm not sure why some seem to think that the "I'm a hot-stuff-moderator so go screw off" thing thing is the best way to handle these situations, but it certainly puts me off. It's possible to be firm and to set limits without going out of your way to be a jerk. Maybe people think it's funny, or cool, or it's just their personalities, but hey it's neither endearing nor attractive to me. I can only imagine it goes a long way to keeping the other lurkers like me in the lurking category. Maybe that's what the leadership wants? I have no idea. If so, it's a shame since this place has a lot to offer people who are dealing with very heavy issues.

Oh well, back to my lurking. Have fun with the little drama party.

If you can see me, what am I wearing?

Sweetpickle (imported) wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:43 pm If you can see me, what am I wearing?

..er, your heart on your sleeve? :-\

gee, I miss moi... (just kidding, hell, still not sure whe he really was...)

oh! PISS on it!

...just piss on it...

A bit judgmental here, aren't we, without knowing any facts? If you want to suit your behavior and actions on what other people do (or don't), that's on you. Let other folks run your life....

PitLoverVA (imported) wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:31 pm Every time I just about get ready to start thinking about being active on the forums again, something like this happens to remind me yet again of why I don't post. I've been lurking on here for years and years, far longer than I have been a member, with sporadic periods of more active participation. In fact, I think I've been here in one form or another almost from the beginning (Bboy was a friend and I miss him every day).

I'm not sure why some seem to think that the "I'm a hot-stuff-moderator so go screw off" thing thing is the best way to handle these situations, but it certainly puts me off. It's possible to be firm and to set limits without going out of your way to be a jerk. Maybe people think it's funny, or cool, or it's just their personalities, but hey it's neither endearing nor attractive to me. I can only imagine it goes a long way to keeping the other lurkers like me in the lurking category. Maybe that's what the leadership wants? I have no idea. If so, it's a shame since this place has a lot to offer people who are dealing with very heavy issues.

Oh well, back to my lurking. Have fun with the little drama party.

so now why is moi621 banned?

grtz Eef

For the record, it wasn't this posting that got Moi banned.

Before you go making accusations, perhaps you should request some information on why he got himself banned, as A-1 did. He asked, I told him. Simple as that.

And no, I wasn't the one who did it.

Without knowing any facts? I'd say watching a pattern of behavior for a decade or more, reading most and sometimes all of the threads, comparing notes with other archive participants, etc., etc., qualifies me to have an opinion on the subject.

I've expressed that opinion tonight and otherwise, though it sounds like it didn't get through. It's not the actions I necessarily find objectionable (though on many occasions I certainly have found them so), it's the tenor of communication and the heavy dose of attitude that comes with it that I find so off-putting.

As far as your other snarky comment, we all choose who we associate with and in which manner based on how they act. That's not letting other people run your life, it's making a choice about how much of a particular set of behaviors, good or bad, you want to be around and how much you can tolerate. We can wish things were different, but given the facts on the ground, reasonable people adjust their choices accordingly. People vote with their feet all the time.

I've made my feelings on the subject known, and I don't believe I'm the only one who feels this way. You guys can take that for what it's worth. I continue to hope that things will change, but until they do it's going to impact whether people want to participate.

kristoff wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:15 pm A bit judgmental here, aren't we, without knowing any facts? If you want to suit your behavior and actions on what other people do (or don't), that's on you. Let other folks run your life....

randy (imported) wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:47 am can mods see the private "messages via email?"

Administrators can see any data that is stored on their servers they administrate. If they need or if they wish. That is the point of adminstration of server to have full access to anything on the server they manage. Here comes the ethic of administrator. Being an administrator for various servers and many of them containing sensitive or even secret data I need to keep my mouth shut on what I see. Not that I have a need to tell everybody what I see. I do not have that need. This is actually essential feature of any server administrator. As administrator you do not own the data stored on the server and you have to respect other people secrets and sensitive data as they trust you.

Administrators that can not keep their mouth shut or use the data for their own good will be fired and disgraced pretty soon. I have seen several such 'administrators'.

So far I have no reason to distrust EA administrators.

I hope this is the answer for Randy and many other people similar question.

Moi,

Paolo wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:58 am Are they private?

Actually, no.

Any Mod. on any board who has administrative access can go "through the back door" and get into any member's account and do anything.

Personally, I would never commit a violation of trust like that.

The worst I've ever done is change A1's avatar...

LOL I remember that and talula almost banned you for it, OH my did you catch a bunch of ........... for that.

River

On Censorship, THE FINAL WORD

The name is this site is the EUNUCH ARCHIVE.

It is not YOUR PERSONAL POLITICAL SOAP BOX.

Having said that remember that EUNUCH CENTRAL is the main thread on this site, it is the reason we are here.

This is not a site for FREE SPEECH, you do not have first amendment rights here, there are rules.

I don't always agree with the monitors of this board but I will ALWAYS respect there decisions, there is a right way and wrong way to complain, bitch, etc. and airing your bitch publicly is not it.

For those of you who call these good people the THOUGHT POLICE let me tell you, its a damn good thing they don't put me in charge of the political board, for one I would need to take a neutral position and keep my mouth shut which would put me off and some of the post I read would be hammered right from the start. And the first person who accused me of being the THOUGHT POLICEMAN WOULD BE BANNED. I would not put up with that kind of insult. The monitors are in many cases a lot more tolerant then I am that's for damn sure. There are other political sites on the web, go there look around, see the name calling, see just how ugly it is, there is a reason people like this site, if you don't like or the rules, YOU DON'T have to stay here, nobody is twisting your arm forcing you to do something against your will.

The political thread is a privilege not a right, right now the staff is split on if it should stay or if it should be removed altogether, so keep it clean and nice or I will change my vote and it will be gone forever.

The rules on the political board and for that matter this site is simple, attack the issue not each other.

If someone gets banned they asked for it and they were warned first. The RULES on this site are not going to change.

River the Pissed

I realize that common sense is in rather short supply lately, so let me explain some things that contributed to the recent banning of a few members.

First - we do not allow minors to participate on the forums. We cannot, however, stop them from finding The Archive and reading it. We cannot prevent this any more than we can prevent them from going to Google's home page. We cannot prevent them from landing here through a search for "castration", "hormones" or a combination of similar terms. The only thing we can do is not let them post, and if they do slip through and reveal themselves, then all we can do is say, "Come back when you are 18 and until then, stay out of trouble!" Of course, that membership must then be banned. Can they create a new one from a new IP? Yes, and we may never know. Such is the nature of the Beast known as The Internet. If you post on a forum that you are <18, though, you are going to get booted.

Second - Trolling. If we suspect that you are a Troll, or seem to be setting yourself up as one, you're going to be warned. And warned. And warned again. Then you will get booted.

Third - complaints from other users about conduct or post content. If you tend to ignore warnings from Staff and maintain the behavior, then you're going to be banned. One example would be setting yourself up to be a cutter, or a real doctor, while offering no real proof of the latter, and ignoring requests to stop what you're doing. Sending scathing email and/or PM's to Staff won't help with this, either.

Fourth - tied into third - we are NOT responsible for YOUR actions in real life. Period. If you choose to drink, smoke, have indiscriminant sex, drive fast, and jaywalk, and then you get sick or run over or arrested or whatever, that's not OUR problem. It is YOURS.

Example: Let's say Tommy is 23 and takes out a membership. Tommy makes posts about his gender identity and gets advice. Fine. He reads about chemical castration. Fine. He should be here reading about it. It would be a bad thing if he just ran right out and cut off his balls with a chainsaw. No one wants that. So he reads about "love potion #9" here and finds he can buy it online with no prescription. Such is the nature of business on the 'Net. He can do that. He's an adult. He can decide to take the potion or not. If there are side effects, and he reads the directions, then takes it, it is NOT OUR problem if his hair turns purple or his ears fall off. IE, me, Kristi, River, Talula, Jesus, NO ONE held him down and poured the potion down his throat. HE took it HIMSELF. No one made him do it. All this site did was offer advice in how to "get the feel" of castration while still being able to "go back to normal" after brief trial run. Real castration is forever; a few months of a drug regimen is reversible.

In case no one noticed, that is why this site is here. What YOU decide to do with the information is up to YOU.

What we are responsible for is keeping BAD information off of the forums. Some examples would be discouraging DIY-surgery or allowing "cutters" to advertise here. We are also responsible for dealing with complaints from members who feel harassed.

It takes a LOT to get yourself banned. It really does.

I would also offer this last statement to anyone who thinks that we're all just a bunch of ban-happy idiots. YOU don't know what's going on in our PM's or email that can contribute to someone being banned. So before you start throwing accusations around, stop for a moment and take the time to realize that all administrative actions are carefully considered, and all communications taken into account before any action is ever taken.

Paolo, your post on this subject was sure nicer then mine, did we have a role reversal?

Well I hope everybody heads your words.

or

They could suffer mine.

River

Those are very reasonable points, Paolo. I thank God I am not in your shoes and having to put up with a lot of nonsense. Having said that, any comments on the following: If somebody did all the cranky stuff, got banned and upon reflection decided that, yes, they needed to clean up their act. Could that person get re-instated and how would they do it? I realize that this is a highly unlikely situation because mostly problem people are problem people and will be problem people all of their lives(see how nice I can be - I am editing the descriptive Anglo Saxon I normally use). But, just to say it happens once in a blue moon, could and how would that person get back in?

Arab Nights (imported) wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:57 am But, just to say it happens once in a blue moon, could and how would that person get back in?

By sending an email with a valid subject line and a sincere apology.

No one's ever tried it, and I keep waiting to see one.

Emails that keep ranting on the issues that got 'him' banned won't do it...