Can we talk about castrations as punishment? I just got some time to speak at our state's capital on the subject and I was hoping to get people's opinions on it. I am interested in hearing your ideas.

To keep the "Shit show" from happening out here in public, how about sending me Private Messages.

LOL I just had a "Lady in Blue" moment. OH CRAP! I'm speaking in front of the State Congress and I don't have a thing to wear!

Thank you

Since it directly involves castration, I will be inclined to allow it as long as we stay polite and on the topic...

I have mixed feelings - on the one side it feels very appropriate for crimes involving non-consensual sex offenses, both as a penalty and possibly a way to prevent repeat offenses... Not a bad deterrent either, although since most crooks don't plan on getting caught, deterrence has less value than many assume...

OTOH, I worry a bit about the stigma to us if it becomes a thing, basically the "He is a eunuch, therefore he must be a sex-offender" assumption, which might discourage those seeking it for legitimate reasons (most of us here I assume ) or discrimination against those that have become eunuchs for other reasons....

There is also supposedly very mixed evidence about it's effectiveness... Even assuming it renders the offender non-functional, many claim that sex-offenses are less about the sex than they are about 'exercise of power', and even if you get rid of the sex, they would continue to offend in other ways for the power trip...

There is also the issue of wrong convictions - how do you fix the "OOPS" you weren't guilty after all mistakes?


In terms of the other question:

LOL I just had a "Lady in Blue" moment. OH CRAP! I'm speaking in front of the State Congress and I don't have a thing to wear!

Just go natural, what better way to show of your 'qualifications'?

WheelyFixed

I agree with Wheely's point. Eunuchs have enough stigma already. Associating us with criminal activity on top of the derogatory public perception we already have would do law-abiding eunuchs no favors.

Like WheelyFixed said, how effective is it? To quote from another - admittedly unsourced website:

According to most psychiatric diagnoses, the overwhelming majority of rapes are mainly driven by megalomania on the part of the perpetrator—their motive is not merely unfulfilled sexual "needs" but fragile egotism which results in them longing to assert their will onto somebody else. In other words: sexual desire does seem to influence who they target for assault and how they do it, but it is not why they commit such assaults to begin with... while convicted rapists who have undergone chemical castration are still prone to assaulting women non-sexually).

Not to mention it's a permanent punishment being inflicted on a possibly innocent victim.

Further complications might be the burden it might pose on hormonal treatment, mainly testosterone, that'd be sought after - legally or illegally - to alleviate the castration itself. It runs the risk of creating / expanding the black market for testosterone.

And more pragmatically, do we as eunuchs wish to be associated with rapists? Even for those who've undergone castration willingly or for health reasons, they'd be associated in the public's eyes to the rapists who've been subjected to it as punishment.

I'm not a fan of the idea. First, there's the issue of false convictions. The justice system isn't perfect, sometimes innocent people end up convicted for crimes they didn't commit, and I'm incredibly uncomfortable with the idea of permanent irreversible punishments. If someone is locked up for a crime they didn't commit it's bad enough but there's at least something society can do to attempt to make things right but no amount of financial pay out could make up for castrating an innocent man.

Second there's the issue of equality between the sexes under the law. I'm going to keep this one brief, there's no real analogous punishment for female offenders.

Last but certainly not least, I don't think it would actually be effective in solving anything. I don't think it's actually possible to deter people from committing the crimes where this would be an appropriate punishment, but also it won't prevent people from re-offending. I'm no authority on this matter but being castrated certainly hasn't asexualized me, even when I wasn't on TRT I still had sexual desire, albiet to a much lesser degree.

NaturalEunuch wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:09 am I agree with Wheely's point. Eunuchs have enough stigma already. Associating us with criminal activity on top of the derogatory public perception we already have would do law-abiding eunuchs no favors.

My thoughts, exactly. I think 'deterrence' rather than 'punishment' is a more appropriate term for the criminal justice applications this thread alludes to.

My earlier reply was a bit rushed, but to add a bit to it...

The questioned effectiveness that I raised earlier (well described in the quote Lineppe'lik posted) is one side,

OTOH we have had members on EAv2 that described their motivation for getting castrated as an effort to deal w/ feeling 'driven' to either assault women or molest kids, and wanting to reduce it before they hurt others and / or got themselves in legal trouble... And they said it worked for them...

I believe we have also had studies posted here of a study (Danish?) that allowed voluntary chemical castration of convicted child molesters that reportedly reduced their desires to look at kiddie porn... Lastly assuming the claimed link between T and aggressiveness, and that one could keep the offenders from getting replacement T, one can ask if even a 'megalomania driven' castrated offender would have the aggressiveness to make further assaults....

So the effectiveness at reducing recidivism rates is questionable as I noted....

Ignoring the stigma question for the moment, I'm not sure I'd oppose a program allowing early release on parole for those agreeing to VOLUNTARY castration (presumably w/ drugs or regular testing to prevent replacement T supplementing) and then watching to see how the recidivism rates for those inmates compared to that of those getting out by regular means. If you really wanted to push it as an experiment on the link between aggressiveness and T, make it open for those convicted of other offenses as well...

(Putting on the Mod Hat for a moment, thanks for the nice well reasoned responses so far, may it continue...)

WheelyFixed

WheelyFixed wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:19 am
Just go natural, what better way to show of your 'qualifications'?

WheelyFixed

LOL!!!!!
I am 65 and I don't want people looking around for their air sick bags. I want them to listen to me.

I was going to start off with a short history of eunuchs and how they ended up in trusted leadership and advisory rolls. Which dispells the myth we are crazy, bitter, nasty and cruel people.

I wanted to continue by saying to use castration as a tool of punishment, further stigmatizes Eunuchs and associates us with a group of people who could be best described as monsters.

Not bad,

I'd also want it mentioned that unlike the historical eunuchs that mostly had the operation forced on them, today's eunuchs are largely seeking the operation voluntarily because we WANT to be that way for a variety of reasons.

That we have the stigma concerns as well as the other objections mentioned by the previous posters.

WheelyFixed

If it's voluntary chemical castration for earlier parole, that maybe I can swallow.

But I cannot agree to forced surgical operation. What's the difference from say cutting off a criminal's hands for beating someone up?