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What are unique ways to increase slit size, then self-castrate??

Hmm, sounds to me like you want to end up in the hospital. Attempting to castrate yourself, while technically possible, is not a safe or easy thing to do.

Just read the news about that botched castration from an experienced cutter in Michigan. I know because of the problems that happened to the guy nearly died.

Self castration is too risky, especially with no one around to help, and call 911 in case of problem. By the time you realize there is a problem it might be too late for you.

DerangedDragon (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2002 9:07 am What are unique ways to increase slit size, then self-castrate??

A word of advice from someone that has been there, done that..... DO NOT DO IT ALONE!!!

You WILL mneed medical help afterwards and may NOT be in any condition to either call for help, or wait for it to arrive!!!

IF you insist on going through with what you suggest, make sure you have someone level headed and SOBER with you, and make sure they are able to get you to a hospital, without having to wait for a car or taxi to turn up!!!! Your life may depend on this.

Also be prepared for psychiatric interviews!!!!!!!!!! Get medical people 'on side', find a good doctor, and get to know them (better still, get them to know YOU!). You WILL need them to vouch for your sanity!

Yes, I have been there, and been through all this.

Failure to plan, on your part, means you are planning to fail.

Failure can mean DEATH, or worse, being locked up, and having your life destroyed by getting a 'psychiatric history'.

Nuff said!

Technically the question was about how to self-castrate -- which does not necessarily require cutting.

Self-castration can be performed with hormones, clamping the blood supply to the testicles, or injecting weak acid directly into the testes.

In any case, you are likely to need medical attention at some point -- atrophied testicles can be a health risk. But it is less likely to be emergency intervention.

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Pippa (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:21 pm Failure can mean DEATH, or worse, being locked up, and

> having your life destroyed by getting a 'psychiatric

> history'.

Out of curiosity, does anyone have any horror stories about people who self-castrated, were mentally in good health (castration desire notwithstanding), but ended up getting locked up in a mental ward against their will anyway?

I don't have specific stories, but most hospitals are allowed to detain you against your will for psych evaluation if you show a tendency for self-harm. I am sure castration would fall into that category ...

This process is known as an Emergency Detention in most places in the USA.

Usually it requires that someone you know get a doctor's statement and then go to a judge and get a court order. It take three parties. The third party under unusual circumstances can be a hospital-employed medical person, lay minister or a social worker. The court order is good for only 48 hours and it must be renewed for you to be detained longer.

One who finds theirself detained under such an order should be especially careful to appear rational and cooperative. If you get violent, you will end up in 5 point restraints in an observation area. A doctor must write an order for restraints every 24 hours.

This means that you will see another doctor the next day who decides if you need to be restrained again. If worse comes to worse and your condition is critical they may just give you a paralytic medication and stick you in the ICU on a respirator for a while.

Do not offer any information and watch how you answer questions. You may be able to find an attorney who can get you out the next day on a writ of habeus corpus, but you should have arrangements with that individual before hand. Attorneys wil not usually come in right away to vouch for you unless you pay them BIG BUCKS.

Mostly it is through local a court that has jurisdiction that such legal actions are filed, although most hospitals with psychiartiac wards have a judge that they usually can call at home and a psychiatric nurse or social worker who takes care of getting the doctor's order over the phone and calling the judge and next of kin.

If you hope to have an alteration done in such a clandestined manner (and I do not recommend it!) be sure to plan for every eventuality. If you call an EMS then you will have to find a way back home and someone to care for you. Living wills and powers of attorney are certainly something that you need to consider unless you do not mind becoming a vegetable on life-support.

A medical facillity will not discharge you unless they are satisfied that you will have a care-taker present to insure that you can be brought back to the facility if you should worsen after discharge. If you should go somewhere and then die because your treatment was not completely adequate, they are legally (and morally) responsible.

In other words, have somebody that you know who can be shocked, or at least feign being shocked, that you would get this done who will come and get you in the E.R. They should be willing to stay with you or to let you stay with them as long as is needed. They should not be there either before you get you whatever done or they should not be around when the EMS comes to pick you up after you call 911.

Planning and timing here are critical if you are to survive a botched-up job. Also remember, once those things are cut off, they will never grow back! (Some may consider that a blessing, 'eh?)

Remember, nobody can force you to make out a police report. Falsifying a police report can get you jail time. If you are not an excellent liar and a consistant story-teller the best thing is to offer only a "no-comment" approach. The police will be called and they may give you a hard time but be insistant that you have no statement to offer. After all, you are the victim, aren't you? Whatever you do do not talk to any news media.

I cannot believe that I am posting this telling you all how this works!

A-1

Does anyone have any self-castration stories in which they performed a proceedure with few or no problems?

madscientist (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2002 5:12 am Does anyone have any self-castration stories in which they performed a proceedure with few or no problems?

Here goes......

http://www.bmeworld.com/unclefes/Castration.html

This is my story..... and this is TRUE not made up at all!!

Note: there are not many files on my website, I have removed most of them, and made it appear as if there are none there if you enter the site thru the "front door"..... This is because I have a life to live. Some people I associate with know about what I've gone through, but not everyone does.... and I would like to keep it that way.

Most people in my life know I have gone through gender reassignment, but not everyone knows about the events of Febuary 25, 1995. I am not ashamed of what I have done, it was necessary, rather I am tired of helping other people come to terms with it, I have to put enough energy into helping them deal with me being me, without adding to the headspins they end up having!!!!

Pippa (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2002 7:36 pm This is my story..... and this is TRUE not made up at all!!

Pippa,

Interesting story. I think it is terrible that you had to wait 4 days before being taken into surgery.

Two questions?

If your wife drove you to the hospital, how did you have the car there when you went out to get the WD40?

What was your wife's reaction to your self castration?

Pippa (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2002 7:36 pm Here goes......

http://www.bmeworld.com/unclefes/Castration.html

This is my story..... and this is TRUE not made up at all!!

Note: there are not many files on my website, I have removed most of them, and made it appear as if there are none there if you enter the site thru the "front door"..... This is because I have a life to live. Some people I associate with know about what I've gone through, but not everyone does.... and I would like to keep it that way.

Most people in my life know I have gone through gender reassignment, but not everyone knows about the events of Febuary 25, 1995. I am not ashamed of what I have done, it was necessary, rather I am tired of helping other people come to terms with it, I have to put enough energy into helping them deal with me being me, without adding to the headspins they end up having!!!!

I don't know if I would concider this a success. After all, you DID have to be hospialized!

Pippa, thanks for sharing your story.

I think the infection problems were mostly due to the hospital delays -- I think they were irresponsible to leave someone with such a wound for 4 days without surgery.

I think the story points out the dangers from both a physical and psychological medical point of view of self castration -- there is serious risk of bleeding or infection, and there is serious risk of being locked up for psychiatric reason.

It really is stupid that there is little medical support for voluntary castration!

I had a general practicianer refuse to see me anymore once she found out that I had the desire to be castrated -- she said that I did not meet her requirement of a "participatory" patient. Presumably she felt that self-"harm" was not what a patient should be doing. I have a complaint lodged against her with the Board of Physicians and Surgeons, because I felt I needed medical help for my condition.

Psychiatrists are the best because they see so many people doing self-harm that nothing particularly shocks them. I mean if you're dealing with suicidal tendencies, homicidal tendencies, etc., then people desiring castration are not that wierd at all.

I suggest that all of you with sustained castration desire should ask your general doctor for a referral to a psychiatrist. You only need to tell the doctor that you have "body image" or "sexual problems" you feel require a psychiatrist to resolve.

Working with a psychiatrist can be helpful in many ways. If you are transsexual, then you can begin to progress toward filling the requirements for SRS psychiatric assessment. If you have a libido problem you can get SSRIs or anti-androgens prescribed. If you have self-hate due to latent homosexuality, etc. you can work through your issues. Lastly, like in Pippa's case, you can establish that this is a long-term desire and not a psychotic act.

I know of 2 guys who've castrated themselves. One elastrated his sac/ball package and sliced it off after 2 weeks. He still bled, but did not require medical attention. Another, a qualified surgical nurse, surgically removed his own balls and required no medical attention. It's rare - maybe 10% of self-castration attempts at most.

Well I know that I think I would like to do a self castration, or find a partner that would do me. However I do realize there are many issues wit castration, and doing it yourself is not very wise or safe. I had considered finding a cutter that would help but let me do most of the work.

So far I have been lucky with the modifications I have done, and CBT play I have tried. I've been doing my best to stay informed on what things not to do, and make sure I take all the precautions I can. Although I'm not stupid, I will not attempt a self castration alone.

Pippa,

Mac (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2002 10:48 pm Interesting story. I think it is terrible that you had to wait 4 days before being taken into surgery.

Two questions?

If your wife drove you to the hospital, how did you have the car there when you went out to get the WD40?

What was your wife's reaction to your self castration?

Yes I agree that it sucks for me to have been left for so long before surgery, but there were no really bad long term problems caused by this, and the hospital does work on a triage system where the most in need of attention get it first. The medical folks could see that I was not suicidal (in fact I was very happy), I was not in much pain (in fact I was wandering around the hospital until one of the Docs freaked out about me being up & about and ordered me to stay in bed). I suppose there was the small risk that the band would slip, but in reality this would have been SO unlikely you could ignore it, (I have seen the photo's that were taken before they removed the band in surgery, and there was NO way it would have slipped of).

There WAS the chance of me developing internal bleeding, and this in fact DID happen!!! (See the comment above about being ordered to bed, this is why!)However I WAS in hospital and I was able to think clearly and talk with the hospital staff, so if my condition changed quickly and I noticed it I would have let them know!

I guess they did see me as a 'self mutilating freak', but then so do many guys that know I have changed sex, and they do not even know about the castration thing! I guess that the most important thing out of this whole gender thing for me has been that I have had to develop an internal self reliance. I do not need so much positive feedback from others about who I am.

Yes, as I mentioned in another one of my posts here, acceptance as a PERSON is the most problematic thing I seem to be facing. I have got over the thing of trying to be the person that others want me to be so THEY can be comfortable with me, I am the person I need to be to be happy and comfortable with myself. The ultimate in selfishness some people would say, but I see comitting suicide as being the ultimate in selfishness as you are taking yourself away from others totally, not simply being one's self.

OK, now to question 1.

Carol does not really like to drive much, she drove me to the hospital, then stayed with me all night. On the Sunday she went home in the car, and returned in it on the Monday, parking it in the hospital car park. She went into her work for some of the day (10 minute tram ride form the hospital), then visited me again in the late afternoon/early evening. She then went home on the train, leaving the car in the hospital carpark. Basically from what I remember the car stayed there all week as she travelled on the train to and from home to work & visit me. I seem to remember the weekend I was in hospital she had her parents drive her to visit me one day, but I think she did actually take the car home over the weekend.

question 2,

Over the years of our marriage I had expressed my need for castration many many times, in fact I had even had sex with her many times with elastrator rings on, and used them on many occasions with her knowlege.

I guess there are a few factors with the way she has dealt with all of this,

1, she is female. I have found that women tend to be MUCH more accepting of gender and sexuality differences!

2, over the years she came to accept the inevitable. Even to the extent of asking me if I needed to change sex on at least 2 occasions during the years before my castration.

3, she is one VERY special lady with great

madscientist (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2002 5:19 am insight into people.

Now to madscientist's post:

I don't know if I would concider this a

success. After all, you DID have to be hospialized!

This may not fit YOUR definition of success, but then my definition must be different to yours.

In my mind it was a success for 3 main reasons.

1, I am STILL alive!

2, I was able to have gender reassignment surgery afterwards, despite losing about 50% of the scrotal skin from the method of castration I used.

3, I did not get locked up!!

OK, fine I ended up in hospital, but I did not really expect that I would have been able to castrate myself without having medical help afterwards. After all, I was not actually trying to kill myself, the plan was to get rid of the testosterone source, and I had done that. I also ensured that they did not re-attach them - I did not take the testes into the hospital! What they do not have, they CANNOT sew back on, no matter how much they would like to!

I went into hospital for my gender reassignment surgery too. I was in there for 11 days for that one, then had to go back in twice for overnight stays because of my eurethral opening closing up. (This has been fixed by the way, on the second try.)

I have also socially changed sex, so any thoughts of being able to simply be able to life as a eunuch with nobody knowing were blown totally by me doing that.

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2002 6:37 am Pippa, thanks for sharing your story.

Thats OK Splitdick, the main reason I share this information is to try to help others that are a few years behind me. If people can be made aware of some of the dangers and pitfalls of this stuff, then I may even just manage to save a life or 2, or even save some peoples sanity!! I do not really expect anything in return for letting people know what my life has been like. just the knowlege that there is a chance I may have helped someone is enough!

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2002 6:37 am I think the infection problems were mostly due to the hospital delays -- I think they were irresponsible to leave someone with such a wound for 4 days without surgery.

Most likely, it was a golden staff infection (a common hospital bug). The delay was due to other patients in greater need of surgical help, as my life was not immediately at risk I was classified as a lower priority patient.

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2002 6:37 am I think the story points out the dangers from both a physical and psychological medical point of view of self castration -- there is serious risk of bleeding or infection, and there is serious risk of being locked up for psychiatric reason.

I am glad that these are points that people think of when they read my experience. This is exactly what I intended to get across.

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2002 6:37 am It really is stupid that there is little medical support for voluntary castration!

Agreed!!!

I had a general practicianer refuse to see me anymore once she found out that I had the desire to be castrated ........

<snippetty, snip>..........

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2002 6:37 am I felt I needed medical help for my condition.

Sounds like a familiar story, I have heard of other people having this sort of thing happen. Good luck with the complaint!!!

Psychiatrists are the best ....... <snippetty, snip>......

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2002 6:37 am I suggest that all of you with sustained castration desire should ask your general doctor for a referral to a psychiatrist......

<snippetty snip>......

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2002 6:37 am Working with a psychiatrist can be helpful in many ways. If you are transsexual, then you can begin to progress toward filling the requirements for SRS psychiatric assessment. If you have a libido problem you can get SSRIs or anti-androgens prescribed. If you have self-hate due to latent homosexuality, etc. you can work through your issues. Lastly, like in Pippa's case, you can establish that this is a long-term desire and not a psychotic act.

I agree with what you have said here about psychs (even though I think THEY are the crazy ones!!). I must add one point though, IF you are not being treated with respect or not getting advice on how to actually DEAL with the issues you are working on, find a DIFFERENT psych!!!!! Matching a psych to the patient is an important issue that is often overlooked!! I spent years seeing the 'wrong' psychs, yes one of these was the one that stopped me being locked up, but he could have actually helped me acheive castration, rather than just wasting my time for 2 years!

This particular psych could have done what another psych did about 3 years after my castration, discuss the options I had available to me. This led to him telling me how to actually go about getting gender reassignment! He let me know about a support group for Transgender people, the support group gave me contact details for the 'right' psychiatrists to be assessed for suitability for surgery. The rest was easy for me, I found a good Doctor, one that is not judgemental like the previous one, I started living as me, started on female HRT. Then saw the assessing psychs every 3 months, for 18 months before getting their approval for surgery.

During this time I kept loosing jobs, being socially isolated, losing friends etc. But in myself I have never felt more alive, nor happier with myself.

So IF you feel you are not getting what you need from your medical service providers, find other ones! (YES Doctors and Psychs ARE service providers, they are supposed to provide US with a service!)

The minute you break the skin blood will flow from the scrotum. This will come as a shock, causing your heart to beat faster, causing blood to flow faster. I suppose banding can prevent this somewhat.

Then there is the matter of closing the blood vessels once the testis have been removed. The best way would be cauterization. Apparently a soldering iron is just not hot enough.

However, has anyone had any success with a Burdizzo?

Has anyone tried lactic acid & succeeded? Has anyone succeeded with any method that resulted in testicular atrophy WITHOUT surgery?

One might always go to the nearest farm and do the splits across the business end of an operating grain auger.

Seriously, if you study the techniques enough you can do it.

I once read where a man became obsessed with removing his own adrenal glands. (I don't really remember why, though) Well, to make a long story short he elected to do abdominal surgery on himself.

He maintained hemostasis by the liberal use of antiseptic powder. He obtained or made his own instruments and he would have succeeded but he underestimated the pain involved in retracting the liver without anesthesia.

You can imaginge the shock of the paramedics that had to bundle him up and haul him to the ER. If memory serves they removed his adrenals in the OR during the process of closing him back up because nobody wanted to take the chance of him attempting self-surgery again.

I swear, it's true.

A-1

Sounds like the story of the man who took dental care of his family's teeth by the help of a power drill etc.

Hell, he could do something for ME... *G

No earnestly: Pippa.

Storys like yours cannot be told to often.

It IS possible, many things are.

You can make your own (bad?) experience or be clever and read a little beforehand.

...as long as somebody tells.

Thanx!