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i've been surgically castrated recently, & was wondering how long does it take the T to reach castration levels, since i heard the adrenal glands pick up the slack for a few months. Doee anyone have any T level figures from castration till 1 year latet? Thanks

First you may experience testosterone withdrawal symptoms. (Andropause). Could last 30 to 90 days. When you loose interest in sex and are not interested in getting an erection, and no longer get erections, you are at castration level. How long this takes will depend a bit on your body, original T level, size, weight, and other internal hormonal factors. In a strange way it is like watching your hair or nails grow. Seems like nothing is happening for awhile, then suddenly you realize you need a trim. Suddenly you will realize you are at castrate level and no blood test to give you a T level number will be required. Congratulations.

In January, 1987, my older brother lost interest in sex, lost interest in getting erections, lost the ability to get erections, and was not at testosterone castration level. He lost interest in sex, erections, and any ability to get erections when he died from a form of hepatic-renal syndrome in consequence of metastatic colon carcinoma.

In January, 1987, I had been castrated, and without a large intestine, for about six months; those surgeries done for the purpose of minimizing my future probability of dying in consequence of cancer in the manner of my dad and brother. In Jnauary, 1987, I was at castration testosterone level, and had been so for about half a year, and I had not then, nor since, lost interest in sex, lost interest in getting an erection, not continued to get erections, and have been at castration testosterone level ever since the summer of 1986.

I am, as best I can discern, alive and thriving. I choose to get erections (my body, in contrast with my mind, is about as content with as without erections and such), because I have a hunch that continuing to get erections by choice may help deter urinary incontinence (sort-of like Kegel exercise?) if I ever actually live long enough to get old. While I am quite evidently not as young as I was seventy years ago, neither do I find that I have gotten old.

People who, in my experience, have gotten old are people whose beliefs have congealed into some sort of, to me, ridiculous hardened (not silly) putty, such that one of the greatest delights of my life, finding that something truly believed was based on an unintended misunderstanding, has been lost to the maelstrom of faded, jaded memories of a past that never was. I have a one word name for "finding that something truly believed was based on an unintended misunderstanding," that name is, "learning."

Some folks may dislike "sex." Not so for me. Some folks may have a mental model of their "sexuality" that conforms with traditional social established norms (like binary sexuality as in boy/man exclusive-and girl/woman. Not so for me.

Me? Innermost sense of correct body image is that of XX female. Outermost sense of correct body image is that of XY male. I guess I may be a triumph of modern biology modeling, and useful evidence of the validity of the notion of independent assortment of genotypic and phenotypic traits.

When I was in second grade, at Marshall School, in Eureka, California, during the first about-three-quarters of the 1946-47 school year, my teacher and the school principal attempted to correct my misunderstanding of myself, doing so using a form of variable ratio reinforcement (the form being chaotically-imposed paddling by the principal because I did not comply with their notions of what I had to be; most specifically, I did not comply with their notions of the difference between the social persona mandate for boys and the social persona mandate for girls. It seems that my teacher and principal "knew" that second grade boys were inveterate liars and "knew" that second grade girls were inveterate truth-tellers. They had also, apparently, not read the published works of Dr. Leo Kanner and Dr. Hans Asperger about "autism."

Having learned about horribly terrible child abuse through being horribly, terribly abused as a child by my teacher and principal at Marshall School, after my family had moved to Wisconsin for third grade, I began reading about human biology, psychology, and such, using college and graduate school level books and the like in my parents' library. I learned about independent assortment well before anyone could convince me that the science of biology was useless in understanding the life form (species, that is) that may have arrogantly and with insane aplomb, named itself, as an exercise of magnificently atrocious grandiosity, "homo sapiens sapiens."

Is there anything about groupthink mentality, a mentality that I find to be catastrophically contagious and atrociously addictive, that my life does not both deny and denigrate?

Because I am not someone other than who I am, I cannot tell anyone else what their experiences will be; the best I find I can ever do is to tell of my experiences, with the notion in mind that I have no clue as to whether or not anyone else will ever find anything I tell about my lived experiences to be even one whit useful.

Almost everything I have ever read here, about what will happen to someone who becomes castrated, contrasts seriously with my actual lived experiences.

There is a name, so I gather, for the methodology of one person telling another what the other person's experiences will be. The name is, "Theory of Mind."

Theory of Mind may, for all I can discern, be largely driven by the "mirror neuron system." The mirror neuron system has other forms of naming, such as "copycat," or "monkey see, monkey do."

It is my consistent, and nearly lifelong experience, that the mirror neuron system copies atrocious human errors with absolute impunity; to me, mirror neurons have no semblance of any hint of any form of "moral or ethical compass." I sometimes wonder to what extent mirror neurons are of the way of perpetrating horrific forms of human violence from one generation to the next.

There are, as I observe, many people for whom any, and perhaps every, form of "most people" thinking is stunningly false.

If I tell only of my experiences and you tell only of your experiences, methinks there will not be anything worth fighting about.

A quick check of one supposedly reputable medical information source has it that the half-life of free testosterone is in the range of ten minutes. If that be true, then one day after bilateral orchiectomy ought to be enough bring the level of free testosterone into the castrated level range.

Physiological response to the change from normal to castrate level testosterone may take vastly longer than the time to arrive at free testosterone castrated level itself.

When my doctor stopped my TRT it was about a week when I started the night sweats, and the hot flashes. Morning erections stopped as well. And I no longer could get a solid erection. Several other changes have occurred but for me it was about a week when things started.

T-levels in blood should drop pretty fast as T halflife is only 2-4h. Next day after caastration you should have eunuch T-levels. But in T-receptors active T lasts much longer and also fat tissue tends to accumulate T. But in a few days you should feel first effects.

ballsgone09 (imported) wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:32 am When my doctor stopped my TRT it was about a week when I started the night sweats, and the hot flashes. Morning erections stopped as well. And I no longer could get a solid erection. Several other changes have occurred but for me it was about a week when things started.

Before you stopped TRT, what was you usage?

NB! Erikboy, you have exceeded the limit of messages you can save, I can't reply to your last message to me.

erikboy (imported) wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:19 am T-levels in blood should drop pretty fast as T halflife is only 2-4h. Next day after caastration you should have eunuch T-levels. But in T-receptors active T lasts much longer and also fat tissue tends to accumulate T. But in a few days you should feel first effects.

is the adrenal glands raising T for 5 months thing a lie then?

lust-ocd (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:44 am is the adrenal glands raising T for 5 months thing a lie then?

Adrenal glands produce a rather minimal amount of T. They will not even come close to replacing all the lost T resulting from castration.

dingoaud (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:38 pm I have noticed is that I are getting a lot of sweats and no more night time hardons or wakeing up in the morning with a erection, my penis looks smaller, it is harder for me to get a hard on and it takes a lot of effect to cum and when I do its only a small drop. so of the times when I try I just loss any interest in it.

It might be a good idea to take a low dose of supplemental testosterone in order to avoid some of the unwanted effects of being castrated, which may become increasingly difficult to reverse later on in life without it. Also, a reduced diet and regular exercise seems to be in order to avoid some of these negative effects, such as weight gain and reduced muscle mass, unless that is your goal.

Hi I live in the Uk to and they give the levels in a different reading I use a very small dose of T just to keep me active if Its needed just a big blob on the end of one finger I dont really want sex but if my wife does which is about once every 3 months I still can and my count runs at around 4.

Thanks

Yes this is what I wanted but I have to say I might have to go on some.

Just today I have had some real bad sweats at night and during the day where it is just dripping of me and I have put on 2 kgs since the op.

I just hope I could keep the way I wanted to be with out the other problems with having to much T in my body. if not then what was the point of beening a eunuch

I just seen the Doctor yesterday and he put me on Testigel 50mg once a day

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dingoaud (imported) wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:53 pm I have put on 2 kgs since the op.

I just hope I could keep the way I wanted to be with out the other problems with having to much T in my body. if not then what was the point of beening a eunuch

I just seen the Doctor yesterday and he put me on Testigel 50mg once a day

By using a small dose of testosterone daily and, by dieting and exercise, you should be able to lose weight despite being a eunuch, without regaining any desire for sex.

unencumbered (imported) wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:48 am By using a small dose of testosterone daily and, by dieting and exercise, you should be able to lose weight despite being a eunuch, without regaining any desire for sex.

What would you say a small dose would be, I was thinking of only using 1/2 a tube of testigel daily

dingoaud (imported) wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:05 pm What would you say a small dose would be, I was thinking of only using 1/2 a tube of testigel daily

I don't use testigel but half a tube seems to be a good starting point. See how you feel after a week of usage and then decide if you need to up the amount to a full tube in order to regain energy. If you want to avoid gaining weight you will have to exercise regularly and follow a strict reduced-calorie diet. Being castrated can be somewhat of a life changer but it can be a good one with the right attitude.

unencumbered (imported) wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:31 pm I don't use testigel but half a tube seems to be a good starting point. See how you feel after a week of usage and then decide if you need to up the amount to a full tube in order to regain energy. If you want to avoid gaining weight you will have to exercise regularly and follow a strict reduced-calorie diet. Being castrated can be somewhat of a life changer but it can be a good one with the right attitude.

Thanks I will try that and I let you know how I go or feel

unencumbered (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:49 pm It might be a good idea to take a low dose of supplemental testosterone in order to avoid some of the unwanted effects of being castrated, which may become increasingly difficult to reverse later on in life without it. Also, a reduced diet and regular exercise seems to be in order to avoid some of these negative effects, such as weight gain and reduced muscle mass, unless that is your goal.

What are those effects that become difficult to reverse later on? i am still on no-T, and have noticed a lot of night sweats, weight gain, emotional brokeness, loss of muscle mass

Osteoporosis is pretty irreversible once it sneaks up on you.

On youtube there are people who claim to have recovered from osteoporosis using 'green smoothies'

lust-ocd (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:27 pm On youtube there are people who claim to have recovered from osteoporosis using 'green smoothies'

Wouldn't it be better to take easy preventative measures than trying to reverse it later?

Breast Growth, is non-reverseable (not the fat deposits), if you do not take HRT there is shrinkage of the Penis which may not be fully recoverable if HRT is started later on.

Good news, G.. If only they'd shrivel up completely..I'm getting nice fat little breasts....Nice..Jackie