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http://www.emedicine.com/PED/topic1118.htm

Very interesting. It is without a doubt the best explanation of hypo that I have ever seen. Thanks Andrew.

Jim the Eunique

> Males with nonfunctioning testicular tissue should

> undergo orchiectomy and replacement with prostheses.

I never got the appeal of prostheses, personally. I see it as inserting a foreign object into the body for no medical benefit.

The article didn't say anything about the difference of osteoperosis risk between primary (pre-puberty) hypogonadism and secondary (post-puberty) hypogonadism...

happousai (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2002 5:14 pm I never got the appeal of prostheses, personally. I see it as inserting a foreign object into the body for no medical benefit.

Well usually the reason for prostheses like fake testicles is to make the patient feel more at ease, and not be so concerned about looking different and being made fun of.

I personally plan on having fake testicles implanted after my castration, more for looks, especially since I'm working on having my sac split in half. I feel that having prostheses put in would keep the look I am going for with the split sac.

Thanks Andrew, a very good article.

One of the things I noticed was that the good doctor did what most researchers do: They assume that because females without estrogen are at risk for Osteoporosis, males are at risk as well. He made the statement, but he didn't back it up (or did I miss something?).

The doctor's primary concern seemed to be libido and fertility. Well, male ego aside, neither of those is a concern for some of us. In my case fertility is not an issue since I had a vasectomy in the 1970's anyway, my wife has had a full hysterectomy and our family is grown. In the libido department, the lower the better for me. I know, I know, most people will be quick to tell me that to be a man one has to be sexually functional. I disagree. To be a man, I mean a REAL MAN, has nothing to do with sexuality, even muscle tone and strength.

But all of that aside, it's a good article. Thanks for posting it, Andrew.

What most people don't understand about male's hormones is that the main one is estrogen. Testosterone might make us men, give us big muscles and make the work but never the less estrogen is the one that drives the brain, gives us strong bones and keeps us mentally alert. Women make it directly and men change testosterone in to estrogen through some type of hormonal process. That is why men without testicles develope some of the same symptoms as women after the change.

happousai (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2002 5:14 pm > Males with nonfunctioning testicular tissue should undergo orchiectomy and replacement with prostheses.

Exx-squeeze me??!!

I guess he meant to say non-living, rather than nonfunctioning. Mine dont' do diddley-squat for me (other than hurt now and then) and no one EVER brought up that option.

All I got was pain pills, more poking and prodding, more stunned looks at test results, more feeling about, and some pain pills and a disastrous round of HRT.

Assholes. I hate doctors.

Assholes. I hate doctors.They certainly are assholes. You have to plan your illnesses a week or two in advance inorder to see the doctors when you need them. What ever happened to concern for the patient? Remember house calls?

Paolo wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2002 10:37 am Exx-squeeze me??!!

I guess he meant to say non-living, rather than nonfunctioning. Mine dont' do diddley-squat for me (other than hurt now and then) and no one EVER brought up that option.

All I got was pain pills, more poking and prodding, more stunned looks at test results, more feeling about, and some pain pills and a disastrous round of HRT.

Assholes. I hate doctors.

I'm sorry you feel that way. My own experience with doctors has been quite positive. This includes Dr. Spector. Right now my primary care giver is a Physician Assistent, working under the direction of her MD husband. She has been supportive of me in the aftermath of my castration, and is going out of the way to make sure I get whatever treatments are needed.

Andrew, like you I have what I consider to be a fairly good care giver. I need him because I am diabetic and I am determined not to let it interfere with my life.

But the point is, you and I and countless others HAD to go to Dr. Spector to get what we needed: castration. I was assured by my doctor that he would not do the deed even if I had been able to convince him it was necessary. Like Paolo, I was given pain meds, all sorts of tests, etc etc, but removal was simply, absolutely NOT an option!

And still they rip out uteruses (uteri???), and all other women's plumbing, at the drop of a hat!

Charlieje (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2002 7:48 pm I was assured by my doctor that he would not do the deed even if I had been able to convince him it was necessary. ... but removal was simply, absolutely NOT an option!

And still they rip out uteruses (uteri???), and all other women's plumbing, at the drop of a hat!

Life just isn't fair. We should be entitled to equal treatment.

Paolo wrote:

>

happousai (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2002 5:14 pm > Males with nonfunctioning testicular tissue should

>> undergo orc

Paolo wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2002 10:37 am hiectomy and replacement with prostheses.

>

> I guess he meant to say non-living, rather than

> nonfunctioning. Mine dont' do diddley-squat

for me

> (other than hurt now and then) and no one EVER

> brought up that option.

Maybe you should ask the doctor(s) who wrote that article if they'll castrate you.

Andrew/Charlieje: I'm curious - both of you went to Dr. Spector to get castrated since your normal doctor wouldn't do it. What did your normal doctor think of your decision afterwards?

happousai (imported) wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2002 2:23 pm Andrew/Charlieje: I'm curious - both of you went to Dr. Spector to get castrated since your normal doctor wouldn't do it. What did your normal doctor think of your decision afterwards?

As a matter of fact, I never mentioned my need to be castrated with Donna (my physician) since I knew she would not do it. But after it was done by Dr. Spector, and I explained why, her professionalism took over and she has been working hard to keep me healthy in my eunuch condition. Most physicians would be like that, I suppose. Once the deed is done, and you are a eunuch, most will take their oath seriously and work on your behalf.

My experience is the same as Andrew's. My GP, whom is quite a good looking gay man in his mid-30s, was quite put off when I told him that I had been castrated. He never understood why anyone other than a TS would have themselves voluntarily castrated. He and the clinic he's a part of have nevertheless provided excellent care.

I had been on testosterone supplements prior to castration. The doses had been quite low to avoid undue damage to the testes. Following castration, the doc said I could now have as much testosterone as I wanted. He also admitted that I would be on those supplements for life even with the organs attached and intact. The clinic now keeps encouraging me to get more testosterone than I am, but I keep putting them off. I'm getting enough to provide the energy I need, which is also more than enough to provide adequate sexual libido. That I've grown body hair in places I never had it leads me to think I may be getting as much as I ever had when I possessed balls.

Mac (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2002 12:15 pm What ever happened to concern for the patient?

It has been replaced by concern for the $. Unfortunately, when they are not using their patients as lab rats, they are chasing the bucks to pay for malpractice insurance. Gee, I wonder why?