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Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:35 am**

I came across this, quoted from:

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Urology/me ... how/732640

"..... referred by the famous Dr. Wilfred Thesiger, the famous british doctor and adventurer...

.... are mentioned 2 kinds of eunuchs : the "complete shaved ones", without penis and testicles and the conventional type, who had only his testicles or scrotums removed.

However there was a third kind, not very common, but who also could be found: was the eunuch with testicles but without penis, used when the rulers wanted a male with all his strength and vigor, for very hard work, but sexually useless. Technically speaking they couldn't be called eunuchs, because eunuchs must do not have balls.

At the begining, for that making, they used to cut off the entire penis, at the level of the abdomen, but as the mortality was very high (about 70%) and the subjects had serious difficulties to pee, creating kidney problems, they invented, at that time, a new method to do it ( which became used also for the making of a similar to the " complete shaved ones", but without loosing his male strength ) :

They cut off and removed the entire sleeve of skin of the penis, just close to the head until the base of the shaft, inlayed the unskined shaft inside the abdomen and sewed ( suturing ) the corona glans (glands) at the level of the abdomen, leaving outside the body only the penis head ( the glans (glands) ) - reason why was also called "knob surgery"; this way, that tip of the penis continued useful to pee, but useless for sex or intercourse, due to his short length, and the mortality was reduced to zero ( it was only a kind of a radical circumcision, shortening the organ to his maximum ).

Some doctors says that a such operation is still done today in Mauritania and Sudan, where slaves and eunuchs are often sold in hidden markets, exactly as were in the past."

Well, which are you and which would you like to be? Did the good Dr Thesiger miss something?

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:39 pm**

daifu-orchid (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:35 am I came across this, quoted from:

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Urology/me ... how/732640

"..... referred by the famous Dr. Wilfred Thesiger, the famous british doctor and adventurer...

.... are mentioned 2 kinds of eunuchs : the "complete shaved ones", without penis and testicles and the conventional type, who had only his testicles or scrotums removed.

However there was a third kind, not very common, but who also could be found: was the eunuch with testicles but without penis, used when the rulers wanted a male with all his strength and vigor, for very hard work, but sexually useless. Technically speaking they couldn't be called eunuchs, because eunuchs must do not have balls.

At the begining, for that making, they used to cut off the entire penis, at the level of the abdomen, but as the mortality was very high (about 70%) and the subjects had serious difficulties to pee, creating kidney problems, they invented, at that time, a new method to do it ( which became used also for the making of a similar to the " complete shaved ones", but without loosing his male strength ) :

They cut off and removed the entire sleeve of skin of the penis, just close to the head until the base of the shaft, inlayed the unskined shaft inside the abdomen and sewed ( suturing ) the corona glans (glands) at the level of the abdomen, leaving outside the body only the penis head ( the glans (glands) ) - reason why was also called "knob surgery"; this way, that tip of the penis continued useful to pee, but useless for sex or intercourse, due to his short length, and the mortality was reduced to zero ( it was only a kind of a radical circumcision, shortening the organ to his maximum ).

Some doctors says that a such operation is still done today in Mauritania and Sudan, where slaves and eunuchs are often sold in hidden markets, exactly as were in the past."

Well, which are you and which would you like to be? Did the good Dr Thesiger miss something?

While absent a pair of balls, I could never be of a "third" gender. I have often thought of a penectomy; I could never, if so inclined finally, allow anything to remain. I will reserve my flight to Thailand for another time.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:43 pm**

Personally, I am of the first type. And I have deep suspection that the third kind is mostly imaginary. Never heard about such a practice in any ancient society. Such "eunuch" should be extremely dangerous creature, easily ready for sexual violence.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:58 pm**

3rd one real? Sure! Take a look at the opening reference on this board Penectomy Discussion > Radically tight... Figure 7, last picture shows it clearly. Don't know about dangerous, but Butterflyjack says he wants one. I guess we have to be extra careful with that bfj....

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:57 am**

daifu-orchid (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:35 am I came across this, quoted from:

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Urology/me ... how/732640

"..... referred by the famous Dr. Wilfred Thesiger, the famous british doctor and adventurer...

.... are mentioned 2 kinds of eunuchs : the "complete shaved ones", without penis and testicles and the conventional type, who had only his testicles or scrotums removed.

However there was a third kind, not very common, but who also could be found: was the eunuch with testicles but without penis, used when the rulers wanted a male with all his strength and vigor, for very hard work, but sexually useless. Technically speaking they couldn't be called eunuchs, because eunuchs must do not have balls.

At the begining, for that making, they used to cut off the entire penis, at the level of the abdomen, but as the mortality was very high (about 70%) and the subjects had serious difficulties to pee, creating kidney problems, they invented, at that time, a new method to do it ( which became used also for the making of a similar to the " complete shaved ones", but without loosing his male strength ) :

They cut off and removed the entire sleeve of skin of the penis, just close to the head until the base of the shaft, inlayed the unskined shaft inside the abdomen and sewed ( suturing ) the corona glans (glands) at the level of the abdomen, leaving outside the body only the penis head ( the glans (glands) ) - reason why was also called "knob surgery"; this way, that tip of the penis continued useful to pee, but useless for sex or intercourse, due to his short length, and the mortality was reduced to zero ( it was only a kind of a radical circumcision, shortening the organ to his maximum ).

Some doctors says that a such operation is still done today in Mauritania and Sudan, where slaves and eunuchs are often sold in hidden markets, exactly as were in the past."

Well, which are you and which would you like to be? Did the good Dr Thesiger miss something?

I would most likely fall into Category 3. What happened is that I'd had a silicone penile implant (at the time drugs such as Viagra did not yet exist) and suffered serious staph infection. When I required emergency surgery for its removal -- on Christmas Eve -- my penis was left horribly mutilated. All internal tissues, both corpora and the erectile tissues, had been removed and the outside of my penis was left terribly mutilated. A later plastic surgery was required and most of the shaft was removed. What's been left all this time is very much like a large clit, and devoid of all nervous sensation.

Though initially I sought surgeons who could reconstruct my penis, or even fashion a new penis, I found that was fruitless. After that I sought out surgical castration but was turned down by several surgeons who saw me as a high risk patient due to having had a history of stroke.

In the years that followed I have lived a Hell, since I have all my sexual desires and no ability to perform. Yes, I am skilled at oral sex, etc., but no woman has lasted long with no ability to have erections or to orgasm. A good number have found themselves very frustrated when they have performed oral sex on what's left of my penis and I don't respond. They take it as if I have rejected them. Somehow not one has made peace with the fact that I have no physical ability to respond.

In my ideal situation I would find myself castrated, at peace with lowered to no libido, and a happy platonic female companion. I don't really think that's ever going to happen though I did try and try over and over to achieve that goal.

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:35 am**

daifu-orchid (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:58 pm 3rd one real? Sure! Take a look at the opening reference on this board Penectomy Discussion > Radically tight... Figure 7, last picture shows it clearly. Don't know about dangerous, but Butterflyjack says he wants one. I guess we have to be extra careful with that bfj....

I meant I doubt this kind of eunuchs was in practical use in any of ancient societies. It just happens time to time.

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:04 am**

Barrister (imported) wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:57 am In my ideal situation I would find myself castrated, at peace with lowered to no libido, and a happy platonic female companion. I don't really think that's ever going to happen though I did try and try over and over to achieve that goal.

I wonder if you had a spinal that would alleviate the worry about your history of strokes. If you look hard enough for a urologist to castrate you and for a female who wants a platonic relationship, at your age, you should be successful. Good luck.

Posted: **Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:04 am**

Dionysis was the child of Zeus with sparagmos (wounded in the penis). He had three other siblings that were sexually "abnormal". These were Agdistis, Adonis, and Athena. Translated from ancient Greek their names would be Dio/nysis -god/forsaken, Ag/distis -without distinction, A/donis -without "gifts", and A/thena -without a theme. I take it that Dionysis was the one that "has to use his finger" for insemination (not a good thing), Agdistis would be a born-eunuch, beardless, high voice, never bald, pre-pubertal, Adonis simply has no balls (testicles) but not from birth, and Athena is a female without any ability whatsoever to conceive or to have sex in the normal manner of a woman. Ironically Agdistis was the oldest of these but would commonly be referred to as "the younger" due to appearance. This is also the one that would be dressed as a female whereas Athena would often be dressed as a male.

Posted: **Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:09 am**

I am not so sure that a person minus his balls but taking HRT can really be called a Eunuch. I have my thoughts on this. With HRT, the T is still in his body.

Posted: **Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:04 am**

OneBallBoi (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:09 am I am not so sure that a person minus his balls but taking HRT can really be called a Eunuch. I have my thoughts on this. With HRT, the T is still in his body.

Even a eunuch not taking HRT produces a small amount of natural testosterone. Is an amputee who uses a prosthesis no longer considered an amputee? While using TRT may ameiiorate some of the negative side effects of having low natural T in the body, it is not a direct replacement. There are still both physical and mental changes that cannot be reversed for a person without testicles, i.e. a eunuch, even when he uses HRT.

Posted: **Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:56 am**

OneBallBoi (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:09 am I am not so sure that a person minus his balls but taking HRT can really be called a Eunuch. I have my thoughts on this. With HRT, the T is still in his body.

"oneballboi"... I could easily let myself get offended at your implied supposition that HRT or TRT in someway "disqualifies" one from eunuch status. I'm fully castrated....I'm proud of that, and proud to be a eunuch. I'm on HRT (a controlled and managed balance of estrogen and testosterone) to minimize the negatives of rapid T depletion to my body while maximizing the feminization that's occurring.). That in no way minimizes the emotional or physical effects that castration has given me. If indeed you have "one ball" as your name implies, then by definition you are not even close to being a eunuch...and I'm starting to resent that you've commented at all. But... in the spirit of tolerance (and the season), you're entitled to you opinion..... right or wrong.

Happy Holidays,

john....(Eunuch by choice and proud of it)

Posted: **Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:23 am**

OneBallBoi to the best of my knowledge is now no ball boy but he has had that screen name for a very long time. We have discussed before and have felt free to self identify as we see fit. Many members who have had their testicles removed but have used full T replacement identify as men. They just did not like their testicles. Others of us wanted rid of the T but had no issues with our testicles other than they produced the majority of T. I have never used any HRT and I identify as a third gender, a eunuch. You may call yourself what you may based on your self identification. I understand OBB's seeing a difference and often others using HRT see themselves differently. I am not a man without balls I am eunuch. No need for offense as we are free to be who we are.

Posted: **Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:07 am**

Yes, Tugon, when I became a Eunuch, UncleFlo asked to keep my name and so I did because I have a high respect for UncleFlo. I like you, take no HRT, like being a Eunuch. Yes, there are negatives with no HRT, I have lost a lot of strength, and the osteoporosis is a concern. I forget to take my Fosamax about 50% of the time. When it is a once a week pill it gets easily forgotten. Thanks for your reply.

Posted: **Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:41 am**

OneBallBoi (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:07 am Yes, Tugon, when I became a Eunuch, UncleFlo asked to keep my name and so I did because I have a high respect for UncleFlo. I like you, take no HRT, like being a Eunuch. Yes, there are negatives with no HRT, I have lost a lot of strength, and the osteoporosis is a concern. I forget to take my Fosamax about 50% of the time. When it is a once a week pill it gets easily forgotten. Thanks for your reply.

You are very welcome and you have been a member here for a long time.

Posted: **Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:38 am**

A fine example of the goodness of folks here! This why EA is so good.

While I know there are some who have balls, some who have dick, and neither. I guess my topic post was partly to ask whether the Bris Periah ( http://www.circlist.com/styles/page2.html ) had been enjoyed by anyone here? Seems equivalent to a "knob" job as described above?

It would seem that his would have significant effect on sexual relations, and perceptions of parties involved? Any thoughts?

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:38 am**

Athena and agdistis

together became

Agdista and Athenis.

So along with a stranger

and along with Adonis

they went to party at

the home of Dionysis.

Posted: **Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:50 am**

This is a very good site:

daifu-orchid (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:38 am

A fine example of the goodness of folks here! This why EA is so good.

While I know there are some who have balls, some who have dick, and neither. I guess my topic post was partly to ask whether the Bris Periah ( http://www.circlist.com/styles/page2.html ) had been enjoyed by anyone here? Seems equivalent to a "knob" job as described above?

It would seem that his would have significant effect on sexual relations, and perceptions of parties involved? Any thoughts?

Posted: **Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:13 pm**

Well anyone? I can only guess that this would make for a very tight boner, but only guessing.

Seems a nullo job would be preferable to the Bris Periah, but I can't answer for others?

Posted: **Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:12 pm**

daifu-orchid (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:35 am I came across this, quoted from:

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Urology/me ... how/732640

"..... referred by the famous Dr. Wilfred Thesiger, the famous british doctor and adventurer...

.... are mentioned 2 kinds of eunuchs : the "complete shaved ones", without penis and testicles and the conventional type, who had only his testicles or scrotums removed.

However there was a third kind, not very common, but who also could be found: was the eunuch with testicles but without penis, used when the rulers wanted a male with all his strength and vigor, for very hard work, but sexually useless. Technically speaking they couldn't be called eunuchs, because eunuchs must do not have balls.

At the begining, for that making, they used to cut off the entire penis, at the level of the abdomen, but as the mortality was very high (about 70%) and the subjects had serious difficulties to pee, creating kidney problems, they invented, at that time, a new method to do it ( which became used also for the making of a similar to the " complete shaved ones", but without loosing his male strength ) :

They cut off and removed the entire sleeve of skin of the penis, just close to the head until the base of the shaft, inlayed the unskined shaft inside the abdomen and sewed ( suturing ) the corona glans (glands) at the level of the abdomen, leaving outside the body only the penis head ( the glans (glands) ) - reason why was also called "knob surgery"; this way, that tip of the penis continued useful to pee, but useless for sex or intercourse, due to his short length, and the mortality was reduced to zero ( it was only a kind of a radical circumcision, shortening the organ to his maximum ).

Some doctors says that a such operation is still done today in Mauritania and Sudan, where slaves and eunuchs are often sold in hidden markets, exactly as were in the past."

Well, which are you and which would you like to be? Did the good Dr Thesiger miss something?

The 3rd one sounds terribly cruel. It's not like those people lined up and volunteered for that job: they were abused and mutilated. Fucking crazy awful.

Posted: **Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:16 pm**

devi (imported) wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:38 am Athena and agdistis

together became

Agdista and Athenis.

So along with a stranger

and along with Adonis

they went to party at

the home of Dionysis.

The god of wine is Dionysos, latinized as Dionysus; the masculine given name is Dionysios (in Latin Dionysius); Dionysis (accusative Dionysida) would be a daughter of Dionysos, but no such creature is recorded.

Posted: **Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:37 am**

gareth19 (imported) wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:16 pm The god of wine is Dionysos, latinized as Dionysus; the masculine given name is Dionysios (in Latin Dionysius); Dionysis (accusative Dionysida) would be a daughter of Dionysos, but no such creature is recorded.

Dionysis =Dionysius

Athena > Athenis

Agdistis > Agdista

Adonis > Adona

Athena and Agdistis went as

Agdista and Athenis.

Whereupon they gathered

with another and with Adonis.

And from there proceded to

party with Dionysius.

Something like that.

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