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We just had a visit from a couple of very big and earnest guys from a local Baptist church, who insisted that we sign a petition of zero tolerance for tg/ts, particularly in schools and our town.

Their enthusiasm would not have been out of place at the Salem trials, as was their line of reasoning -or lack of any such. They kept on repeating that the Good Book says it's wrong and so it should be stopped, and any who think otherwise have no place in the town. Many had signed, maybe under duress.

We decided not divulge my eunuch status.... mostly out of fear for safety.

We love US for the tolerance of plurality of life; this visit seems more in keeping with the current rising intolerance of public discourse.

Eunuchs and all have a place.

Isn't the something written probably in the same book about ALL being created in their gods image that they might have missed.

Although I'm agnostic I do believe if everyone treated each other in the same way as they would like to be treated themselves then we would all get on just fine.

Although I would make an exception to the above rule if those two called at my place.

I am sorry to hear of this experience, intolerance of others does seem on the increase and there are many reasons for it. Basically it is hatred, fear, jealousy or mistrust of the "other". Intolerance is often expressed as religious teaching since it easy to deflect ones own misgivings into group belief. Education, one would suspect, should be the answer but what doctrine should be taught to ensure tolerance of other doctrines? I am coming to think we should spend a lot more time educating people about the phenomenal gaps in our knowledge. We should be making clear how little evidence there is for much that is vaunted to be the truth, and how much we though of as truth has proved to be wrong. Maybe if people had less courage in their convictions they would be more hesitant to act on them and more tolerant of an alternative view. If people were taught to question things more logically and judge things more clearly on the evidence available there would be a more stable society. Of course belief systems help to stabilise society and give comfort to people and I see no reason to undermine anyone's personal faith, however in dealing with others a more logical and educated approach would lead to more tolerance rather than quoting a doctrine, the very foundations of which they may never have thought to consider in a logical, evidence based manner. Rather than teaching what to think we should teach people a better method of arriving at a particular viewpoint that is logically defendable and at the same time open to change as new evidence becomes available. I am probably wrong in this though

Someone comes knocking on my door spouting that trash, I'm going to tell them to go away and not come back until they have their heads surgically removed from their asses.

daifu-orchid (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:11 am Their enthusiasm would not have been out of place at the Salem trials, as was their line of reasoning -or lack of any such. They kept on repeating that the Good Book says it's wrong and so it should be stopped, and any who think otherwise have no place in the town. Many had signed, maybe under duress.

I always ask someone like that what chapter and verse they are referring to.

Back 25 years ago I went thru one of those times where I was downsized, my dog died and I finally had filed for divorce because my wife had become too compulsize a gambler. As part of trying to find my way thru that, I ended up going to every church in town. At the Baptist Church, the county recorder got up and gave a guest sermon that Jews were souless devils who were worse than animals. I was offended (I like a lot of animals better than Baptists) and never went back. To the religion's defense though, I have mentioned that to a VERY few people I have met who were Baptists and all were visibly uncomfortable with it and said that they had never heard anything remotely like that.

I wouldn't worry about them. They probably don't know what eunuchs are, or who the eunuchs in the Bible were.

daifu-orchid (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:11 am We just had a visit from a couple of very big and earnest guys from a local Baptist church, who insisted that we sign a petition of zero tolerance for tg/ts, particularly in schools and our town.

Their enthusiasm would not have been out of place at the Salem trials, as was their line of reasoning -or lack of any such. They kept on repeating that the Good Book says it's wrong and so it should be stopped, and any who think otherwise have no place in the town. Many had signed, maybe under duress.

We decided not divulge my eunuch status.... mostly out of fear for safety.

We love US for the tolerance of plurality of life; this visit seems more in keeping with the current rising intolerance of public discourse.

Eunuchs and all have a place.

If I where confronted with some one like this I think I would call 911

Two buildings away we have some young men from the Church of Latter Day Saints. They are always trying to involve me in conversation. They have this picture of a white, blond hair and blue eyed guy. Due to my depression I am always looking forward to get into it with someone. I asked who was the dude on their patio door. They were shocked that I would have to ask. They said that is our Savior Jesus. I said "Oh no Jesus was a dark skinned Middle Eastern Jew and he would have had olive skin, dark hair and dark eyes." Now that I think about it I need to ask how they stand on gay rights and transgender support.

Ernie of Maine (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:10 pm If I where confronted with some one like this I think I would call 911

If I lived on your side of the pond I would be more than happy to come round and lump them one.

you could complain to them:

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

or ask what is nowadays correct price if you sell your daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7

Then praise old testament and say that forgiveness is a tool of satan.

I always wondered if they have even read the bible as their shining example of purity (Jesus) stood up for the downtrodden, the poor and the outcast. Which is EXACTLY the opposite of what they seem to be doing nowadays. Personally I'd have signed a great big "FUCK YOU" and slammed the door right in their face. I loathe that kind of intolerant bulshit and won't stand for it anywhere near me, least of all on my doorstep.

These people are great at seeing what divides people but not what unites, at the end of the day we're all human beings and we should act like mature rational ones. Just because someone is a different gender, has different sexual preferences or has no testicles is NO reason to heap abuse and hatred on them.

erikboy (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:38 pm you could complain to them:

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

or ask what is nowadays correct price if you sell your daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7

Then praise old testament and say that forgiveness is a tool of satan.

I see that someone else watches The West Wing.

We read in the local paper that the local school board has agreed to resist any implementation of the White House directive on the gender-bathroom question. We truly have not come far from Salem with trials....

We have an all-inclusive, everyone-welcome bathroom at the ball park. Mainly because there's only ONE that works!

It's like they missed the whole new testament thing where Jesus died for their sins and invalidated the old gospel with all its silly rules. I'm not even religious, but I was raised Christian and it makes me laugh how ignorant most Christians are about how their religion works.

I think I need to start going back to church again... -To sing as a female, higher than most even, -to be dressed as a female, but having had been assigned as a male at birth. Oh, the condemnation I'd receive, if they only knew! Which they wouldn't. Fine upstanding young lady that I'd be!

Plus at least some of those preachers must have had premarital sex. And the Old Testament taught that should a woman turn out to be not virgin when she married, she is to be stoned to death at her father's doorstep. Why, then around 99% of the women should be stoned to death in our Western societies

according to the laws of the Old Testament. I've always wondered how those preachers can be so selective in reading and applying their ''holy books''.

erikboy (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:38 pm you could complain to them:

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

or ask what is nowadays correct price if you sell your daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7

Then praise old testament and say that forgiveness is a tool of satan.