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Hey everyone,

So I have made the decision to start going to gender therapy and I have my first appointment Monday. I'm nervous as hell but it needs to be done. So I have a question for anyone who has been to therapy about any documentation I could take with me to help explain my situation??? I'm not just looking for the answers that sound good, I want this process to be honest and true to me, but in saying that, I'm not great with words, especially when nervous. I don't know if the male the eunuch will be something they have handled before and just want to be a little prepared.

Any advice would be great.

Thanks.

I recommend a therapist that follows WPATH.org guidelines. This is how I found my therapist. I don't know what your goal is.... but I went in with a typed up list documenting my history back to puberty and before... including previous attempts with therapy; triggers that causes thought to increase etc. Private msg me if you want to chat

I'd also seek a therapist that works with gender non-conforming people, and is not themselves transgender.

Losethem (imported) wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:31 am I'd also seek a therapist that works with gender non-conforming people, and is not themselves transgender.

Definitely points worth minding.

Losethem (imported) wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:31 am I'd also seek a therapist that works with gender non-conforming people, and is not themselves transgender.

LT, just out of curiosity why would you recommend the therapist not be trans?

it doesn't really seem like I have much to choose when it come to therapist... We only have one where I live!!! I live in a small regional city. So I'm more thinking of being prepared.

Hopeful1 (imported) wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:41 pm LT, just out of curiosity why would you recommend the therapist not be trans?

At this point I make that blanket recommendation because to my knowledge, there is not a therapist out there who is a nullo and "gets it" as far as those of us who wish to be nullified, but remain otherwise male. Those people went through a complete gender reassignment, and from my experience, are very hostile to the idea of anything other than gender being binary. For them it's one or the other with no in between.

My therapist, who was not himself transgendered was awesome.

oscarjackson (imported) wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:48 pm it doesn't really seem like I have much to choose when it come to therapist... We only have one where I live!!! I live in a small regional city. So I'm more thinking of being prepared.

Oh dear, this pesky, "my help must be local" thing is rearing it's head again. I'm not trying to be mean, but often you must travel to get what you want. That's especially true for things like gender non-conformity.

It's not that I'm unwilling to travel, but I do have to start somewhere, and why not start local?? They may be great, they may be able to refer me to someone with better knowledge? A few people on this forum including lostthem have been trying to get people to see that this can be achieved by doing it the right way!! So I was hopeing to be able to get some leads I could pass on to my gender theriapest given that there will be a good chance they have not worked this area before?

The folks in your area have had a very difficult time achieving this. It seems at this point the only good western doctors doing it are in the US. When I made an initial comment about why travel to Thailand, I was mistaken that you were over here in the US or in Europe somewhere. I can see why Thailand might be an attractive option. From what I understand, there are options there to have a penectomy done legitimately. There is one guy (former, he has since transitioned to female) that went to Thailand to have his genitals removed. Afterwards she seems very happy about it.

I think options in Thailand are less now, but not impossible. I'd still seek out a physician there but not a cutter.

Oscar. I have not had the same issues as you in life. Never the less, I have had issues that I finally got old enought to recognize and decide that they were holding me back from being whom I wanted to be. I was scared when I started Toastmasters, but it changed my life. I was scared when I went to a therapist 3 hour drive away, but he was helpful. It is just flat assed scary to try to change yourself. Please do not let that stand in the way.

The interesting thing is that at nearly 70 I find myself in a position of explaining things so people will buy in and you know what, I am actually kind of good at it and moving up the food chain. Maybe once you find yourself, you are so comfortable in your own skin that you can go out and do what used to scare the pee squat out of you.

Good luck.

The nerves are really starting to kick in now, really not sure how well I'm going to sleep tonight!! Not sure what to expect tomorrow, and while I'm not going to totally rule out transition, I'm not sure how to tell them i feel more MTE then MTF??

You'll do fine. And if your therapist needs help understanding what's going on, I think mine here in the US may be o.k. with a brief consultation to explain what this is. Mention that you have a person you know in the US that went to a therapist that understood this if yours seems confused. From there, you can ask if they would be willing to write to that therapist and have a consult. From there I could reach out to mine and ask if he would be willing.

--LT

Best of luck to you tomorrow. i'm kinda stuck right now and know i should begin the therapy, i'm just ... not ready, i guess. i'll be looking forward to all the input you generate as you move forward. i want to be submissive and seek to have castration and penectomy. my penis is so small and my wife finds it usless at this time for pleasing her. i am encouraging her to cuckhold me. i love being feninine and don't really know wear to begin. i am enjoying the journy so far and enjoy this group!!!jl

OK, so Im just back from my appointment for today. I was so nerves, i would even say terrified!! I had to see two separate people, first up was the clinic nurse, blood test, STI test,meds, health history and a few basic question about how i feel ect. Second Appointment was with a gender therapist, This was the hard one, i was shaking, i felt sick, and so terrified she wouldn't understand!!! But she was actually quite good to talk to. My fear of not clearly explaining my situation was correct, noting quite come out how i wanted it to, but she was understanding and explained all the different options for transition and non binary/non conforming and working out where i fit in(in her words "it not a one box fits all") and talked about writing things down as i forgot a lot i wanted to talk about and any questions i may have. I have another visit in January with her and a appointment the doctor to talk about hormones if i want to, and options with surgery in the future.

So not as scary as i was thinking, and not a no as i was expecting, for now i would say its a good start, and see where things go from here.

Thanks LT and everyone who has replied for the support and encouragement. I will keep you all up to date as things go.

You're welcome. It seems as if you've had a productive first appointment, but are going a bit slower than mine did. You'll get there though.

You initially mentioned male-to-eunuch, but what is your final destination? Remove your penis, testicles, both and go nullo? I ask because I'm not sure if hormones are the answer in your case. If you're male-to-eunuch, unless you're wanting to be asexual, there's not much that can be done with hormones except chemical castration, which usually removes sexual interest. In my case, the desire was not to be asexual, but to be a guy without guy parts on my crotch. Just a flat, doll-like appearance other than a new opening for me to urinate and cum out of.

I'm glad your appointment was not as scary as you thought. I would definitely take the therapists advice to write things down you wish to ask in the future. It will help your process along.

--LT

I think the appointment to talk about hormones is so that I know all the options I have available and to make sure I'm fully informed. At this point the main goal is to be rid of my testicles only and take replacement testosterone.

hey guys,

so monday i have another appointment and i really want some resources i can direct my dr and therapist too as I'm not 100% sure they understand what i want? I didn't get a total no as i expected from my first appointment, however i don't know i explained myself well? So question.......is the eunuch archive somewhere you would tell your therapist about?? while it seems some people are genuine there is a lot of fetish and jerk off on here?? but I'm really struggling to find real sources of information and or case studies, ect?

Thanks guys.

oscarjackson (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:44 pm hey guys,

so monday i have another appointment and i really want some resources i can direct my dr and therapist too as I'm not 100% sure they understand what i want? I didn't get a total no as i expected from my first appointment, however i don't know i explained myself well? So question.......is the eunuch archive somewhere you would tell your therapist about?? while it seems some people are genuine there is a lot of fetish and jerk off on here?? but I'm really struggling to find real sources of information and or case studies, ect?

Thanks guys.

Send a Private Message to archive member Jesus. Give him an email that will accept attachments. He can send you links to all the research from the EA surveys. Lots of good information that will give your people the background they need.

Even now after ~3 years of self-medicating the thought alone of approaching a therapist makes me nervous, both because I identify as neither male nor female and because it's awkward and embarrassing as hell to tell people that or explain it, at least for me. It's mainly because of the embarrassment. I'm a coward. Only a few people in my life even know what I've been doing.

I don't have much to add to your thread but I do want to say good on you for having the balls to approach a therapist about it and also good luck with the process and I hope all goes well.

Kristoff beat me to it. I would be happy to send to you (and to anyone else who is interested) information that would help a therapist to understand Male-to-Eunuch. A full list of the publications that I have available to send is at:

http://forums.eunuch.org/showthread.php ... New-Survey

Some of these are aimed specifically at therapists. You will probably also want to look at the Standards of Care, version 7 of the World Professional Association for Transgender Health. It's posted at the WPATH website (www.wpath.org) and is a free download. Your therapist ought to be familiar with it, but it's best if you are too.

For anyone in the U.S. who already has a therapist (or who is actively seeking one), it might be useful to ask if they will be attending the February conference of the United States Professional Association for Transgender Health that will be held at UCLA. I will be giving an invited presentation on Male-to-Eunuch and would be happy to speak with any therapist who will be attending.

Both the articles and the recommendations that we make to therapists are based on the first two surveys that were posted here on the Eunuch Archive. It is the members here who are driving the recommendations. We are now conducting a third survey to add to the information that we can present to therapists. I have been asked for input specifically on Male-to-Eunuch for the next version of the WPATH Standards of Care. You can help to direct that input by your answers to the survey.

The current survey is to fill in some holes that we discovered in our analysis of the previous survey. There are questions that we didn't think to even ask until they were brought up by those completing the last survey when we asked, "Is there anything that you think we should have asked, but didn't?" We've asked the same question again this time, though we haven't begun to look at or analyze any of the responses yet, so we don't know what we missed this time around.

If you haven't completed the survey yet, please do so. Our goal is to help the entire community, from those here for the fantasy of the fiction archive to those seeking castration, to those who have completed their journey. Please let others know about the survey as well. The more people we have complete it the stronger the recommendations that we will be able to make.

You can access the survey directly at:

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/FLRFNLH

Your therapist needs to be advised that this falls under the diagnosis Gender Dysphoria - not otherwise specified. It's how my therapist letter was written. They also need to know that this is a condition, where the male/eunuch involved wishes not to change outward appearance to the world (usually) but is instead needing to have their genitals removed to have their body fit their eunuch/neuter gender. Basically we're not gender binary, and it seems you're working with a therapist that only understand the binary, and we're something in the middle.

I would be happy to speak your therapist or exchange e-mails under my real name if they are interested. As a patient that has undergone the complete start-to-finish of what you're seeking I should be able to explain it. I do not wish to discuss your case specifically, but only to impart on them what we are, to explain how it starts, where it goes, and what our ultimate outcome is.

I'm happy to help if I can.

Hey guys,

Thanks for the reply. I have sent Jesus a PM. I have done the surveys, and hope for change and awareness of male to eunuchs. LT, i will see how things go with the info from Jesus and i will keep you in mind if needed, and thank you for the offer.

johnnielynn (imported) wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:25 am Best of luck to you tomorrow. i'm kinda stuck right now and know i should begin the therapy, i'm just ... not ready, i guess. i'll be looking forward to all the input you generate as you move forward. i want to be submissive and seek to have castration and penectomy. my penis is so small and my wife finds it usless at this time for pleasing her. i am encouraging her to cuckhold me. i love being feninine and don't really know wear to begin. i am enjoying the journy so far and enjoy this group!!!jl

What is the intention of your wife.