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Hi everybody!

I have been passive on EA quite a long time. About the time when BME started. 1997 or 1998 I think. I´ve read a lot of stories posted on archive, thats really great archive. Unique to be exact. My castration interest started during my puberty. I do not remember any exact date when I suddenly got interested. It just has been there since I was 12 or 13 I think. I read every resource I got about castration and eunuchs. I was faschinated. Later that interest deepened and fantasising about being castrated become dayly masturbation fantasy. I have been indeciseve about getting cut, but as the time passes my need for being castrated only grows. I wish I had it done long ago. Between ages 18-22 I think was the right time for me, but unfortunately I have been indecisive knowing that this can´t be undone. Now I feel that I would do it immediately when certain requirements are met. Until that time I would like to have some eunuch friends: e-friends

Before real castration I would like to try androcur for a while. Btw., has anybody experience here with androcur? I mean if you cancel androcur treatment will you return to non castration life with healthy sperms etc.?

Thats my story shortly. I will gladly go to details if it intersts somebody

Erik

erikboy (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2002 3:16 am Until that time I would like to have some eunuch friends: e-friends

Before real castration I would like to try androcur for a while. Btw., has anybody experience here with androcur? I mean if you cancel androcur treatment will you return to non castration life with healthy sperms etc.?

You will certainly find many friends in the EA, and you can always e-mail me at [email protected]

As for Androcur, I understand the effects wear off after use is discontinued, but you may want to check with somebody who has actually done it. But most users of Androcur are so happy with the result that they stay on it or decide to be surgically castrated.

What's the difference in effect between Androcur and Spironolactone, anyway? Androcur is a lot more expensive than Spironolactone, and is not FDA approved in the USA.

I believe Androcur works directly on reducing the testosterone,(but I have not used that). Spironolactone, (what I am taking now), usually is given for hypertension, but it's side effects reduce the testosterone if given in a high enough dose. I am told that if you continue to use these for a extended period of time, say a year or more, you will become infertile. But there are also reports you may become infertile in as little as six months.

i thanke you are rite in trying meds first befor surgery. as for witch drugs that is up to you. i went with depo provera becaus i could not afford andercor. i am glad i did because it is approved by fda and my docter has given me a perscription for this drug 150 mil every month indefintaly so thease are some of the things to consider good luck

Sag111. Please use a spell checker or a dictionary so that your posts make sense.

Erikboy: I have been using Androcur now for about 14 weeks now. I'm not taking a real high amount of it. I was taking 100 mg per day and am now taking 75mg per day. It is very effective. I'm taking Androcur for two reasons. The first is to see if I like the results of lowered testosterone and the second is to prepare for surgical castration which may happen as soon as Thanksgiving. By taking Androcur first, I can lower my testosterone levels gradually. Then when I am surgically castrated, my T levels won't go from a high level to virtually zero over night.

So far my wife and I love the results of Androcur. I haven't been to a doctor yet to have my T levels checked. I know I should do this but in my case it's just not going to happen at this time. From what other people have stated and from what the information from the maker of Androcur say, a person will be able to return to normal testosterone levels after stopping Androcur. However, I do not plan on this. It's a great feeling having my T levels reduced.

Feel free to ask any more questions and I will try to help you out.

Chris

well i ges you i better not post any more i am not a very good speller and i dont want to make anybody mad have anice day

Encouraging someone to use a dictionary is not inconsiderate. Encouraging someone to keep from improving themselves by continuing to do what they are doing even though it is wrong IS inconsiderate. If someone can't spell very well, they should be encouraged to improve themselves, NOT to just keep going as is.

If someone isn't sure how to spell a word, pick up a dictionary and learn. That way you've learned how to spell that word properly and improved your writing and communication skills.

I'm not trying to discourage anyone from writing. When someone doesn't use punctuation, capitalization, and mispells 15-20% of all words when they write, the majority of people are not going to take that person seriously at all. I'm not just talking here on the website but overall life in general. Imagine the chances of someone mispelling 15% of the words on a job resume. What are that person's chances of getting the job? If somone writes a letter to a congressman, newspaper editor or posts a letter on a website of any type. No capitalization, punctuation, and major mispellling is going to cause the majority of the people not to take the letter seriously.

Robby, please consider the ramifications of NOT encouraging someone to improve themselves. Holding themselves back by telling them to 'just keep doing it the way your doing it.' Why not encourage someone to improve themselves?

Sag. You HAVEN'T made me mad and it shouldn't matter to you even if you did. Keep on posting. You mentioned that you are not a very good speller. Well, you learn by doing. Instead of just accepting the fact that you're not a good speller, try learning to spell. You respond to the posts here on the website so you obviously can read. Since you can read you should be able to spell. Sentences start with a 'capital letter.' When refering you yourself, the word 'i' should be a capitalized 'I' If your not sure how to spell a word, look it up in a dictionary. Once you learn that 'thanke' is spelled 'thank' or that 'rite' is spelled 'right', or 'docter' is spelled 'doctor' or that 'gess' is spelled 'guess', etc., etc., you will have improved yourself. Help yourself out by improving your writing and communication skills. By improving yourself, more and more people will take what you write seriously and I DON'T mean just here on the website but overall. Please don't just take the fact that you can't spell as being final. I just helped you out with four words. Learn to spell a few words per day when you write something whether it be hear or anywhere else and soon you will be a good speller.

Chris

ErikBoy,

Welcome aboard,

As you have probably discovered you are with friends that do understand what your going through. You will find many here to help you on your way or just be here for you, even check your spelling and grammar.

I used Androcur for a year before being castrated this year. I can be reached at [email protected], I would love to answer any of your questions.

Chris,

Your spelling may not be an issue, SO DON'T MAKE OTHER'S ABILITY EITHER!!!

I for one would like to see your apology to Sag111, posted here for all to see. Chris,

That was not a very good apology. We must try harder to respect others if we want this site to continue be beneficial for all of us. None of us are perfect.

That wasn't a very good apology because it was NOT meant as an apology. Trying to

chris_M (imported) wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2002 9:57 pm encourage someone to improve themselves

so more than a minority of people take note of what they are saying doesn't need an apology. Like I mentioned, some people may have good information to share but if they can't spell, don't use punctuation, capitalization, etc., and their message looks and sounds like a mess, only a minority of people are going to pay attention to what they say. Would a book that was poorly written with 15-20% of the words mispelled, no capiatalization or punctuation be a big seller? No. People would ignore it. The same goes for letters, messages, etc. If someone helps themselves and learns to write properly, more people will take note of whatever it is that person is writing. The only people who need to apologize is the people who try to hold people back from improving themselves by telling them to just keep going as is, don't try to better yourself.

Anyways, one paragraph is my response to Erikboy has gotten off track here. Like Riverwind, I can offer some information on Androcur if anyone is interested. Just got another 2 months supply in today and am loving the effects of it. Gotta' run right now...

Chris

i thought i would explane a few thangs about myself . i grew up in a small town in northern cal . in the fifties a person with dyslexia was considered stupid and we where just pushed aside . i dont want you to be to hard on CHRIS-M he is just trying to get me to think a little harder . i wont stop posting but spelling has always been very hard for me and sometimes i get my feelings hert. but chris did not try to do this . another thing i want you to know i am a christen . i am a christen that loves every body. idont care if you are gay or an atheist or whatever you mey be i care for you all just the same. so if i say i am praying for you it means i am thinking fo you and giving you all the love i can.and last i want to thanke the eunuch archive. for if it was not for this forum i do not know where i would be today . for the first time in my life i feel normel. i love everyone of you and thanks for your support

Sag. I will apologize now because I didn't know that you had dyslexia but you were correct also, I was trying to get you to think harder. I didn't want you to quit writing at all. Again, my apologies because I didn't realize you had dyslexia. I have done a little research on that in the past and I'm sure it's not pleasant.

Keep on writing Sag and good luck.

Chris

Sag111,

I know Loomis far too well. If, as a dyslexic, you managed to get through school there at all, you are clearly bright and hard working. Congratulations on your successes to date. I hope that you find most of us on the Archive to be helpful. (Though occasionally the tone may not sound it, most everyone here really is pleasant.) Just keep posting and stay a part of the conversations.

Should you ever decide to write a story for the Archive, there are several of us who would be willing to help you with editing. Brief notes, such as what you have written to date, work just fine with whatever spelling you use. For a story which will stay available forever (or at least as long as the Archive exists), putting it into Standard English spelling does help.

Jesus Azevado

(remember Jesus is a Buddhist)

Well, dont' we just feel like an ass now? We certainly LOOK like one from this end .....

See what happens when you say something like that?

You don't know how much I WANT to say things like this on regular basis, but don't! Because such is just what can happen. Now, kids, if you're all ready to play nice again, feel free.

KISS

Paolo. You are right and admitted it. You stated, quote, "Well, don't WE look like an ass now? WE

Paolo wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2002 10:06 am certainly LOOK like one from this end...

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You are right Paolo. YOU asked if YOU looked like an ass and then admitted that you do look like an ass in the above quote. That may not be how you intended to have the quote interpreted but that's what you said. See how important thinking things out before typing & sending messages can be?

Just to back you up, you look like an ass from this end also. By trying to stir things up AFTER ammends had been made betwen Sag & I, just to try and make yourself feel all 'high and mighty' certainly makes you look & sound like an ass. But, like you mentioned above, you already knew you were one so you might as well play the part...Remember Paolo, YOU asked!

Now, can we forget about anymore self abuse by calling ourselves a name such as Paolo did to himself, forget about any more nasty notes since the two parties involved, Sag & myself have made ammends and are ready to get on with the original intent of this post which was started by erikboy? I think we were ALL ready to start 'playing nice' before Paolo's post.

Chris

Chris,

You just didn't get the sarcasm of that post did you, pal?

Just for the record, I had a new window open when I read that post where you told 'sag' to use a spell checker - and you're damn lucky I scrolled down and read the rest of it before I kicked your ass off of the board. It's not YOUR place to tell a member something like that on an open board.

I guess from now on I'll just come right out say what I'm thinking instead of resorting to sarcasm that seems to fly right over people's heads. You do something like that again, and I WILL kick you off of the board. If you've got nothing better to do than rag on other members, you can find somewhere else to do it.

P

chris_M (imported) wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2002 9:57 pm lease consider the ramifications of NOT encouraging someone to improve themselves. Holding themselves back by telling them to 'just keep doing it the way your doing it.' Why not encourage someone to improve themselves?

And this would probably be a VERY good time for you to take your own advice.

Who's ragging on members? YOU are. I didn't demand Sag use a spell checker, I suggested that he 'please' use one. Notice I said PLEASE. I didn't DEMAND it. It's not my place to demand it but I can make suggestions.

Sarcasm? Maybe that's the only way you can relate. It didn't slide right over my head. If you had interpreted what I said, you would have realized that I understood exactly what you meant. But if someone wants to slam me, I'll take them on. I'm willing to let this die. YOU have to keep throwing in more & more remarks and making more & more threats. Why did you have to say ANYTHING in the first place since Sag & I had already made ammends. Now you are threatening to throw me off the board. Does this make you feel all mighty and powerful? The entire thing ended several days ago but YOU seem to have to keep bringing up remarks. IT WAS OVERWITH! I even appologized to Sag and he understood what it was I was trying to say to him. YOU are the one who just HAD to throw in the remarks after the fact, NOT me or anyone else. Let's let it die once and for all. STOP the threats. It's history. Let's get on with things.

Chris

Erikboy,

Haven't heard form you since your post but things have gotten a little out of hand. One thing you can do to find out information about Androcur is to do a search on this website and use Androcur as the search word. There is quite a bit of information from people who have used or are currently using Androcur on this website. Also, try the website www.inhousepharmacy.com and do a search for Androcur. They have information direct from Schering which is the company that makes it. Although they are fairly expensive compared to some other on-line pharmacies, they have very dependable service. You will receive an automatic confirmation of your order, then a confirmation that it is being processed and then a confirmation that it has been shipped. In my case it comes via the U.S. Postal Service and arrives within 7-8 days consistently.

If you have any more question, feel free to ask. You've probably read his posts but Riverwind has a year or better experience with Androcur and if you do a search on this website you will see quite a bit of useful information from him. I've been taking it for about 14 weeks, now and it is VERY effective. I actually started taking it back around the end of May, then was off of it for over a month due to ordering from a different and very unreliable source.

If you wish, you can e-mail me direct at '[email protected]' or writing here is fine also. Your choice. Good luck with your endeavors.

Chris

First i want to apologize to ERIKBOY for messing up your post.We did not intend to do this sometimes it just happens. Second CHRIS you do not have to apologize to me you did not do this to be mean.You where frustrated with my spelling and lack of grammar.You have helped me for i now use a dictionary and am trying to take a little more effort in my writing.Thank you CHRIS

Thank you Sag and I have to tell you, your writing looks MUCH better. Way to go and congratulations. Keep up the good work.

Chris

Hi !

I am quite aware how Androcur works and I know that it is effective in cutting down testosterone levels.

What I do not know is what happens after I cancel androcur treatment. Will previous testosterone levels return? I f yes, then how fast? Will I gain fertility again without any setbacks? Is there any other information I need to know to carry out this trial period, lets say 2-3 months. Or do I have to be under specialist supervision in order to avoid complications.

Erikboy

Erikboy: Here's a direct quote from the information that comes with the Androcur.

Side effects

Over the course of several weeks, Androcur gradually restricts the man's ability to procreate. This ability is regained within a few months of discontinuing the therapy.

As for being under a therapists care, yes, you should be. I'm telling you this although I'm taking it and currently am not under the care of a doctor. One thing that does need to be checked, especially with high doses of Androcur is your liver function. High doses of Androcur can cause liver failure or high levels of liver enzymes. Here's two more direct quotes from the sheet.

(1) During treatment, liver function, andreocortical function and the red blood-cell count should be checked regulary.

(2) As with other sex steroids, benign and malignant liver changes have been reported in isolated cases. In very rare cases, liver tumours may lead to life-threatening intraabdominial haemorrhage. The doctor must therefore be informed of the occurence of unusual upper abdominal complaints which do not disappear spontaneously within a short time.

I'm not a physician but I'm taking that to mean if you have stomach cramps or other cramps in your stomach area.

So far I have not had any complications but I'm not taking an extremely high dose. I'm currently back to 50mg twice per day.

After being on it for one month earlier this year, it did reduce my sex drive a fair amount. Then, after being off of it for one month due to shipping problems listed in a previous post, my sex drive did return very slowly. I was only off of it for about a month and it did NOT return fully in that time frame. You mentioned that you wanted to try a trial period for 2-3 months but that may or may not be a long enough period to get the results you want. I'm at 3-1/2 months and it's slowly reducing my sex drive and I'm sure my testosterone levels but it takes time. As Andrew is famous for saying, YMWV. (Your Mileage Will Vary) meaning that some people will react fast to the Androcur and some people will take more time. Two to three months might get you to the eunuch levels of testosterone or it may take a longer period of time, higher dose, etc.

Hope this helps,

Chris

Hi Chris!

That was quite helpful. As I understand Androcur may act as fast as 2-3 weeks, but it also can take few months to reach castration levels. How long did it take for you to notice any change?

And of course I have to find somebody with positive androcur treatment cancellation experience.

So far taking Androcur have led directly to Orchietomy

Erik