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Is there a cutter out there in the Seattle area, that someone knows about. I won't talk to just anyone who says "Heh! Sure I'm a cutter!"

Im seriously looking for a cutter.

Also, if you do find one that might also perform penectomies, and just like you say, a good one who is qualified, then let me know or even post it.

It might be helpful information for others out there, and we're all here to help each other out right?

Thanks

> 2. How does one know if they are being set up by law

> enforcement types? Entrapment is not exactly unheard

> of...

Is that a problem for people looking to be cut? Or is it just a problem for cutters (who might make themselves harder to find because of this)?

Not to be a party-pooper but I just want to remind everyone that the official Archive position on this topic is as follows:

The Eunuch Archive values each and every member - we consider you our friends. We know - better than most - that because of prejudice in the medical community it can be hard to have our needs fulfilled. This prejudice has resulted in an underground scene of quasi-medical 'cutters' willing to perform operations that doctors are not.

Even given the challenges our community faces, our official position is that the only safe way to have surgery of any kind - castration, penectomy, or nullification included - is in a hospital or clinic by a qualified medical doctor.

We don't want anything to happen to you - that's our primary concern. Our secondary concern is that as in the Michigan case a botched castration by a 'cutter' has the potential to draw negative attention to our community, potentially even by law enforcement types.

Sorry. My bad.

I guess the reason I was looking for a cutter, someone who is a DVM, med-tech or otherwise out of the mainstream, is that I have tried to go the mainstream route. Dr Spector is getting up there, and there doesn't seem to be anyone steping in to take his place

As I was explaining to Dr Spector, I am not looking for SRS. Just looking to become a eunuch.

When I asked my doctor, who I thought was pretty cool about things like that, I found my self in a Psych ward. They put me on such powerfull psychotropic drugs, that days slid by with out me realizing it. I just sat there and drooled in the corner, until one of the shrinks did his evaluation. I don't EVER want to do that again!

First I love your name, I said to myself here is a guy with a good sense of humor.

I would not use a cutter for all the reasons given above, Dr Spector is retired. Use Dr Kimmel, his phone is below. He is also in Philly and is a uroligst. He has done castrations for years.

Any questions feel free to email me at [email protected]

River

Mounds_dont (imported) wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2002 9:26 am When I asked my doctor, who I thought was pretty cool about things like that, I found my self in a Psych ward. They put me on such powerfull psychotropic drugs, that days slid by with out me realizing it. I just sat there and drooled in the corner, until one of the shrinks did his evaluation. I don't EVER want to do that again!

Are you saying they imprisoned you against your will, just because you were thinking of castration?

Where do you live, and what's the name of your doctor/medical institution so that everyone knows to avoid them?

If you express uncontrollable urges for self-harm, the medical community does have the authority to detain you (against your will) for psychiatric evaluation.

For those thinking of going to their doctors, it is important to express to your doctor that your problem is serious, but not that it is totally uncontrollable. If they think you have just an obsessive/compulsive disorder, they will generally start slow, with mild medications. If they think you are psychotic then you are going to get some serious medications.

I suggest going in with a serious plea for help, but not a desperate plea for help. Desperate problems will lead to desperate measures!

...if you go into the average physicians office or even into a psychatrist's office with this type of story of uncontrollable behavior, urges to do harm to yourself or to somebody else and especially a story of hearing "voices" look for the local authorities to come into the waiting room with a court order for an emergency detention within the hour.

More likely, as fast as a call to 911 will get somebody there, and the court order will come later while you are in the "drunk tank" at the local facility of incarseration.

If the practicioner lets you go without doing an E.D. and you harm yourself or somebody else then they are legally accountable. While it would be your word against theirs, and most have the expertise to document themselves out of trouble, most are also sworn to protect us, the public, and they do so without hesitation.

Most professionals consider self-castration as a form of harm. So, if you want this, do not go to them with a story of "doing it yourself" if they will not help you.

If you do they'll help you all right. They will help you to a psychiatriac ward for 72 - 96 hours according to the laws in your locality.

A-1

Oh yeah, isn't there a law in California that says if a doctor believes that his patient might harm himself, he cannot be held legally liable for having the patient detained for mental evaluation.

So, some doctors there end up detaining patients for mental evaluation at the first sign of trouble, against the patient's will, even if the patient is probably fine, and the patient has no legal recourse (other than switching doctors, perhaps).

Mounds_dont (imported) wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2002 9:26 am Sorry. My bad.

I guess the reason I was looking for a cutter, someone who is a DVM, med-tech or otherwise out of the mainstream, is that I have tried to go the mainstream route. Dr Spector is getting up there, and there doesn't seem to be anyone steping in to take his place

As I was explaining to Dr Spector, I am not looking for SRS. Just looking to become a eunuch.

When I asked my doctor, who I thought was pretty cool about things like that, I found my self in a Psych ward. They put me on such powerfull psychotropic drugs, that days slid by with out me realizing it. I just sat there and drooled in the corner, until one of the shrinks did his evaluation. I don't EVER want to do that again!

Oh, my! I'm sorry to hear that you were abused because of who you are.

If you wish, you can avoid shrinks that will do this. Typically, no one has the right to commit a person just because of a few words about a thought. Fire and/or sue the doctor. He violated the rule of "first, do no harm."

If you want to be cut, you may go to Kimmel. I was cut by Spector before he retired. What a beautiful day that was, and just for the asking. All was legal.

I also no longer have a weenie, but that was done in Thailand, again, all legal.

I am not kidding. Just contact the doctors and get scheduled. This is the land of "reality, not fantasy."

I never realized just how easy optive genital surgery was until I just did it.

Love,

Kelly

...you can SUE anybody. Just try to go in and make a case and argue against what the medical professionals write in your patient chart.

Sure, you can contest their documentation, but you'll never get anywhere. And the next big problem is finding an attorney that will take the case without a big, fat retainer.

Best off to do as Kelly2 says if you are serious.

By the way, California is not the only state with such laws. All of the states that I know of have them, too. So unless you want a few days in the local mental health facility with some nice anti-psychotic drugs, watch how you go about this.

Usually, if you have a good attorney who can get a writ of habeus corpus post haste, you can manage to get out in 6 - 12 hours.

Bottom line, court order in and a court order to get out unless you stay and pass the psych evals and they can be reasonably sure that you won't do something that's...er...how should I say....CRAZY?

A-1

Many medical disputes are referred to the College of Physicians and Surgeons. In other words, other doctors get to be the jury. This is done because the average person does not know what is reasonable practice so it is only fair for professionals to be judged by others in their profession (same thing happens with engineers, etc.), however it is also a bad thing because it means that they can protect themselves and preserve their old school thinking.

As A-1 says, it is difficult to win a suit against a doctor. Additionally, even if they make a mistake you are unlikely to win unless they have a documented history of mistakes.