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I m surprised to see so few mentions of fighting and anger related to testosterone on here.

You d think those would be a major factor for some men thinking of or dealing with castration and varying levels of testosterone in their lives.

Just last night, after too long of a work day, I almost started brawling. A guy I ve never seen before kept intentionally pissing me off, over and over. I warned him off a few times. But he d try another tactic, time after time. My balls are partly broken and not pumping out my full testosterone levels. But I still got so angry that I wanted to beat his face in.

My friends know quiet is very bad when I m pissed. I was sizing him up and doing all the calculus on how it would play out if I started punching him. How tough is he ? Who s with me ? Who s with him ? Can I take him ? Will he fight clean or dirty ? Who else in here might jump in ? Who will the cops blame and how long will they take to get here ? Why is he picking this fight ? Who is he trying to impress ? How hard should I hit him ?

My friends read my mind and my pissed off silence and right away they said " NO FIGHTING ! Don t start fighting that guy. Keep your shirt on. No fighting ! "

I was just trying to figure out how to get my layers of winter shirts off me before starting the fight and what to say to get him to throw the first punch. So I could claim self defense and have witnesses to back it up with the cops. But stripping my winter layers of multiple shirts off first would make the witnesses think I m the aggressor who started it. For you non brawlers out there, you always want to fight bare chested so no one can pull your shirt over your eyes to blind you, or pull shirts over your arms and fists like a straight jacket and then beat you senseless as they keep you all tangled up in your own shirts. But how to get those damn layers of winter shirts off in public first to be ready to fight was stopping me. What excuse could I used to get shirtless ?

That plus, what did he know that made him so eager to pick a fight with me and think he d win ?

I told my friends he s been pissing me off all night and asking for a fight. My friends said yes, we saw it all. But he s crazy. He might have a gun or knife picking a fight with a guy like me. I still wanted to hit him so bad ! Even on partial testosterone, I wanted to beat him so much and thouroughly enjoy punching him. The temptation was so great ! But the cops would blame me if I stripped down first or threw the first punch.

My friends hustled me away to get farther away from that guy and no fight happened. But I wanted to beat his ass senseless. I kept watching him and thinking how much I d enjoy whaling on him with pleasure. I stayed pissed all night.

I can t be the only man who feels these aggressive urges and responses. I m wondering what would have happened last night if I was getting my full testosterone output from my balls ?

How much of a difference do you eunuchs who are not on any T or on lower T doses feel in your fighting urges and responses ? No one ever talks about fighting on here.

I can identify with your posting here cutnbulls2ox, I have had many similar experiences and the same thoughts. Intact males of almost all species are the aggressive ones, it is amazing how much changes in any castrated male of any species, look at the difference between intact cattle (bulls versus steers), dogs, sheep, you name it, and clearly there is that difference in humans as well, but it is amazingly a very taboo subject in today's society.

The world has too many sets of balls.It would be a calmer and more friendly place if we could reduce the number of sets of balls.Balls ought to be an optional extra not attached to every burk .

I very rarely get any confrontation from others. The last time I remember was quite a few years ago when I was a security courier - I transported securities. Someone was challenging me in front of the building I was heading to. I didn't try to reason with him or de-escalate. I simply took out a taser gun and tazed him. Security came out and detained him for the police. Never heard much about it - had to make a statement, show them the taser, and went back to work. I don't believe in fair fights, only fights to win.

I don t blame balls or testosterone for fights. A lot of people do need a good beating.

Its how the laws are that prevent us from beating the hell out of people who deserve it.

My post is more asking if low or no testosterone actually changes these feelings or if our grown brains are already so affected by years of testosterone that being on low or no T still leaves men and eunuchs with the same tempers and aggression they had with their previous full testosterone levels ?

Kristoff,

I agree with you on winning ! That s why in spite of my temper, I calculate how any fight will play out and the odds of winning and at what risks and costs. The frustrations of walking away from fights you know you can t win is intense.

But even the fights you can win come with costs and risks that can go bad in a hurry and spiral out of control fast and unpredictably.

I just usually waited, sometimes followed them home, and did something like cut their brake lines or set their garages on fire.

Paolo wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:49 am I just usually waited, sometimes followed them home, and did something like cut their brake lines or set their garages on fire.

Lol, you must have given your parole officer lots of headaches with that much testosterone in you causing those fun times.

cutnbulls2ox (imported) wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:25 am I don t blame balls or testosterone for fights. A lot of people do need a good beating.

Its how the laws are that prevent us from beating the hell out of people who deserve it.

My post is more asking if low or no testosterone actually changes these feelings or if our grown brains are already so affected by years of testosterone that being on low or no T still leaves men and eunuchs with the same tempers and aggression they had with their previous full testosterone levels ?

cutnbulls2ox: Now that's as good of a question as I've heard and is so pertinent to the topic. Not that I have many memories of pre-castration any more, however you're question brings to mind how very true it is that some just need a good whooping to put their brain in order.

Recalling a time at about the age of 15 or 16 there was indeed a guy about 20 that seemed to always cross paths in a bad way. So one evening as I went to a temporary job loading hundred pound sacks at a seed mill this guy was waiting in the parking lot. Now for somebody to be waiting in a parking lot where he has no business I of course thought about the moment that would surely follow. At such a young age I seriously doubt that high levels of "T" played much part in what followed. But those levels of "T" produced in a teen's body can of course be so raging as they are in the process of changing the body. However what followed did not come about by calculated thinking. As the guy approached with clinched fists at his side sudden rage filled me and my body simply leapt up and forward kicking the guy in the crotch so hard that he bent over falling to his knees where he was then at the right level for my now balled up fists to go to work. I don't think to this day that any of this was calculated in the slightest way on my part. Reflecting back after your post now begs the question you asked. Is "T" the controlling chemical of such aggressive and raging behavior or is it something else that instinctively kicks in some self defense mechanism? Once that guy was no longer a threat I simply walked into the mill and received my assignment for the shift which got cut short when the Sheriff arrived to haul me off for aggravated assault. Never got booked as he took me straight to the ER where the guy went and the truth came out of who started it all. In the ER I was calm and polite in every response while the sap was still raging in fury but couldn't stand up on his own. The foreman at the mill gave me a little scolding for being taken from work by the deputy, then grinned real big and told me to just get back to work. I know without doubt that those reactions were not part of my personality nor under any of my control at the time. It may be the maturing process or the castration years later but I have never felt those fits of rage since. It may well be that elimination of "T" changed things and may even be the introduction of "E" created a softer personality. I don't know but am thankful that I can control my anger. Which indeed leads to the next related question for the forum. Does the introduction of "E" after eliminating most of the "T" change our emotions of rage and anger. I absolutely can attest that it changes our sexual feeling and other softer emotions.

I've been teaching Martial Arts for almost 15 years. Castration has changed nothing for me. I stand for my principle and my honor, nothing more. Fighting is stupid, even if you win, you lose (and it may take a few years to realize it).

Your issue was easy "Walk away" - end of story.

"Never put passion in front of principle, even if you win, you'll lose" - Mr Miyagi

Really good topic, cutnbulls. You are good for that! Where I live, Ive been here for 35yrs. I'm the go to guy. Some refer to as the mayor, jokingly, I'm not the mare I'm a gelding. But seriously, my young mates, mostly boys, that i have known since toddlers. They have gravitated back to the village, wives and children in tow having made their money offshore, etc. The dynamics have changed. There is no longer challenging the old bull (steer) for territory. We are good mates, massive reciprocal respect. This transition has taken around 10-15 years. Josh wouldve 'knocked my teeth out' over a girl I didnt want anyway?? It was hard work, kept you on edge. I gave up being physically aggressive in my late teens, not in my nature and value my body too much. I am, however verbally aggressive, only with humans that piss me off. Its all good and most respect my passion (for machinery). Dont physically threaten me, or more importantly my loved ones, even I'm not sure what could happen. I'l just pick up a piece of pipe or a fire extinguisher etc. Not known as a 'beserker', keep them guessing? Big gang presence here in the bay. I'm the gang of one. lol. I'm not a 'tuff' guy, 1.8m,80kg, a 'grey beard'. Pretty strong tho? So pretty sure that was me, pre castration. Am on TRT, so who knows

TclosetGirl (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:55 am I've been teaching Martial Arts for almost 15 years. Castration has changed nothing for me. I stand for my principle and my honor, nothing more. Fighting is stupid, even if you win, you lose (and it may take a few years to realize it).

Your issue was easy "Walk away" - end of story.

"Never put passion in front of principle, even if you win, you'll lose" - Mr Miyagi

Wow! I feel like I just got chastised for an incident of self defense that took place over 40 years ago. As a developing teen no less. If you've been teaching martial arts for 15 years what is the thinking? The question was a sincere inquiry about whether or not hormones have an effect on our actions. That happened to be the only physical altercation during my entire 61 years on this planet. Which was actually an uncontrolled self defense. If not for self defense what is the reason you teach martial arts? I mean after all, the name martial. Arts is all about use of force to achieve some goal

Begoneboy (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:33 pm Wow! I feel like I just got chastised for an incident of self defense that took place over 40 years ago. As a developing teen no less. If you've been teaching martial arts for 15 years what is the thinking? The question was a sincere inquiry about whether or not hormones have an effect on our actions. That happened to be the only physical altercation during my entire 61 years on this planet. Which was actually an uncontrolled self defense. If not for self defense what is the reason you teach martial arts? I mean after all, the name martial. Arts is all about use of force to achieve some goal

Did look like that, begoneboy, Bet that guy didnt do that again? I come from a long line of teachers, so I see it as a gift to 'help people learn'. Just as channeling our god given attributes to sort some other persons shit out. You are doing them a favor, most dont even know it. And life goes on

Begoneboy,

It was already a wildly un fair fight for a 20 year old at full adult size and strength to pick a fight with a 15 year old, who is just starting or part way through his puberty and growth. Most men add a lot of muscle mass and strength in those 5 years. He was way too advantaged in weight and muscle to pick on any 15 year old. Even if you were enough of a muscleman to do the heavy work you were doing, he still outweighed you and should have been the responsible adult and you the teen.

Its very likely that adrenlin powered kick to his balls eventually sterilized or castrated him at some point in his life. That kind of ball damage doesn t just go away with no long term affects. But he might have given you long term damage that day if you had not beat him to it first.

Sometimes you have no choice but to fight. If you didn t fight him that day, he likely would have sought you out to fight again and again until you were forced to fight him.

It sounds like you cleaned up the world s gene pool that day by wrecking his balls and putting him in his place permanently.

cutnbulls2ox (imported) wrote: Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:30 am Begoneboy,

It was already a wildly un fair fight for a 20 year old at full adult size and strength to pick a fight with a 15 year old, who is just starting or part way through his puberty and growth. Most men add a lot of muscle mass and strength in those 5 years. He was way too advantaged in weight and muscle to pick on any 15 year old. Even if you were enough of a muscleman to do the heavy work you were doing, he still outweighed you and should have been the responsible adult and you the teen.

Its very likely that adrenlin powered kick to his balls eventually sterilized or castrated him at some point in his life. That kind of ball damage doesn t just go away with no long term affects. But he might have given you long term damage that day if you had not beat him to it first.

Sometimes you have no choice but to fight. If you didn t fight him that day, he likely would have sought you out to fight again and again until you were forced to fight him.

It sounds like you cleaned up the world s gene pool that day by wrecking his balls and putting him in his place permanently.

While both you and Brycenosak are doubtless correct it was not something that I was proud of and have never shared that experience with anybody since it took place. I guess in many ways I am able to open up and share things here that I would NEVER do anywhere else. "Ok, that was an admission of weakness" which I've always guarded against. I went on with life and that guy no doubt did as well. But to be honest, I'm glad I never saw the idiot again as I am also glad I've never had a similar experience since. And to be sure, I no longer bring a knife to a gun battle so to speak. cutnbulls2ox you may have just answered that old nagging question in my mind about that day. "adrenaline" However, that doesn't speak to the questions you brought up earlier which "me thinks" tclosetgirl missed as well. Sure, fighting is a negative response to a difference whatever it may be. But some just won't learn how to behave properly in civilization without a little corporal encouragement now and then along the way. And if that were not the case why does there exist classes to teach such things as the so called art form of fighting to win? It just seems to me that if somebody makes a living from teaching others how to fight physically they are promoting the stupidity of physical altercations. But back on topic, are we indeed creatures of the hormones flowing through our veins? Whether they be naturally produced or acquired artificially. I for one can attest to the effects of no/low "T" while being replaced with "E".

Hey Begoneboy, don t feel bad about what happened. You couldn t avoid it or control him. Maybe you paid him back for hurting a lot of other people you never knew he hurt. I very much doubt you were the only one he bullied and attacked. You might have saved many other people from being attacked by him over the years.

Any 15 year old, no matter how strong or tough would get a massive adrenlin surge of anger and fear in your situation. It was win or lose with no other option for you when he attacked you. You did the world a favor by teaching him a big lesson.

You did really good bringing him down without any brain damage to either of you from brawling.

I can count so many past times that I really regret when I didn t punch and beat the shit out of guys who richly deserved a thourough beating. I have very few times that I regret punching a man.

Just saw a weird YouTube video on male aggression...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV5uY3sN4ko

In passing it suggests that if aggression is an uncontrollable inborn male characteristic, perhaps most men "except for a few lucky studs for breeding" should be castrated before puberty. However most of the video is devoted to suggesting that it is not an uncontrollable inborn characteristic but can be changed by changing the emphasis of what society considers to make up masculine behavior. Weird but interesting.

Begoneboy asks a great question. I can't speak for others, but low T has accentuated my slowness to anger and I'm not at all prone to violence. It really takes a lot of provocation to evoke rage in me. I don't know if being on Estradiol affects me in this way. Studies in animals show clearly that T is associated with aggression but what does E do to the mind of someone born male who gets castrated later in life? Studying rates of violence in transgender women might be informative.

I've always had a very long fuse and yet at it's end is a lot of powder and when it goes it goes big. I do feel a lot more mellow these days but dare anyone to mess with my wife, kids or now grandkids. I live in a shit-hole city and have a CWP and carry often. Therefore, I must do anything and everything to avoid any hostile confrontation lest it accelerate.

The closest I've come in the last few years was offering sage advice to a loud mouth punk (the son of a friend unfortunately) who was talking shit about how he loved to bust people's heads. I told him in a low and menacing tone to never pick a fight with an old man, for he's too tired and disinterested in proving how tough he is. So you'll just end up getting your punk ass shot or your guts spilled with a his knife. He shut up.

Thanks for all of these great posts. I m really glad to see people talking about an issue I haven t seen being discussed on here before.

I know its politically incorrect to talk about brawling and violence. But it happens a lot. It is reality. So, its something worth talking about.

Lol, I m glad I m not the only short temper on here.

cutnbulls2ox (imported) wrote: Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:24 am Thanks for all of these great posts. I m really glad to see people talking about an issue I haven t seen being discussed on here before.

I know its politically incorrect to talk about brawling and violence. But it happens a lot. It is reality. So, its something worth talking about.

Lol, I m glad I m not the only short temper on here.

Cutnbulls, I'm a new guy. pretty sure there was something you posted? Like getting your shirt off in a cold climate. The strategy was brilliant. Not tenable. What excuse do we need lol.love it. I'm a fairly strong but not a tuff guy. As we call a berserker,. Seanthomas, calls it. Its these little fucks that play too much, on the screen, never seen a calf cut, a bull shot. Its not their fault that they dont know the real violence of the food that they eat? Pork, chicken, beef. What ever. Why would they know the frailty of humans. Oh, sorry, restart the game. Bugger, lost the points on that one. The minute theyr off the screen, they dont know how to communicate? Make eye contact? Add alcohol, asshole, some alter ego. I'm sure that brings a level that we old school brawlers are not familar with? No honour amongst thieves? We need to gird ourselves?

"Excuse me, but is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?"

-overheard in a Dublin pub....