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I am not sure if this post fits here. I am sure the powers that be will move it if need be.

I have been around EA since at least 2004, a long time and I have done some fairly off piste and crazy things. I am lucky to still be alive for those things, let alone the illness that has overwhelmed me in recent years.

Today, I was chatting to a really cute young guy who told be he wanted to become a eunuch. He had lost one testicle in a CBT session where it 'popped' caused hospitalisation and removal, With dire warnings that he could lose the other of not careful. He was asking me for advice. Ironic given my history and penchant for doing extreme things to my genitals.

As I get older, I worry about younger people and this mad mad world that is far removed from me being on the Isle of Wight as a 10 year old with hippies when Bob Dylan was gigging there.

I simply asked him the question as to whether he knew what the long term effects of castration were. He did not have a clue and yet looking to give up his second orb to anyone who would take it an a CBT session and wanted his scrotum removed for the look.

When I spelt it out for him he decided that he wanted to keep his testicle.

It made me stop and think about my own crazy journey and also the fact that there are young guys out there willing to give all to please a Master/Mistress in a kink session with no idea about what they are getting in to and 'Owners' male and female who are willing to take the offering with full knowledge of the facts, but for their own perverse desires choose not to enlighten the sacrificial offering. I personally find that sickening.

I just wonder if there is any research into the numbers of this kind of thing happening? Probably not. However, EA has some eunuch masters of knowledge and research that come up with a wealth of data from the bowels of the earth.

It is all very well doing some of the things that I and others have done, taking the knife into our own hands with knowledge of the facts and risks. It is quite another when people are beguiled by hormones to enter into this contract. To me, now considered elderly, these young, cute, adorable, horny guys are like lambs to the slaughter.

What does EA think? Am I way off the mark here or is this an issue that needs education and informed decision making. Or am I just a silly old babbling eunuch cat?

jcat (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:26 am I am not sure if this post fits here. I am sure the powers that be will move it if need be.

I have been around EA since at least 2004, a long time and I have done some fairly off piste and crazy things. I am lucky to still be alive for those things, let alone the illness that has overwhelmed me in recent years.

Today, I was chatting to a really cute young guy who told be he wanted to become a eunuch. He had lost one testicle in a CBT session where it 'popped' caused hospitalisation and removal, With dire warnings that he could lose the other of not careful. He was asking me for advice. Ironic given my history and penchant for doing extreme things to my genitals.

As I get older, I worry about younger people and this mad mad world that is far removed from me being on the Isle of Wight as a 10 year old with hippies when Bob Dylan was gigging there.

I simply asked him the question as to whether he knew what the long term effects of castration were. He did not have a clue and yet looking to give up his second orb to anyone who would take it an a CBT session and wanted his scrotum removed for the look.

When I spelt it out for him he decided that he wanted to keep his testicle.

It made me stop and think about my own crazy journey and also the fact that there are young guys out there willing to give all to please a Master/Mistress in a kink session with no idea about what they are getting in to and 'Owners' male and female who are willing to take the offering with full knowledge of the facts, but for their own perverse desires choose not to enlighten the sacrificial offering. I personally find that sickening.

I just wonder if there is any research into the numbers of this kind of thing happening? Probably not. However, EA has some eunuch masters of knowledge and research that come up with a wealth of data from the bowels of the earth.

It is all very well doing some of the things that I and others have done, taking the knife into our own hands with knowledge of the facts and risks. It is quite another when people are beguiled by hormones to enter into this contract. To me, now considered elderly, these young, cute, adorable, horny guys are like lambs to the slaughter.

What does EA think? Am I way off the mark here or is this an issue that needs education and informed decision making. Or am I just a silly old babbling eunuch cat?

You raise some serious questions that do deserve some answers. When I first looked at this post, I thought NO. But then it percolated for about 30 seconds, and I said YES this needs to be here with much discussion. Please respond one and ALL

It seems to me that nothing can be done about this phenomenon. The intervention of those in power, who can only prohibit, and are unable to give in return, can significantly worsen the situation.

Lamb.

Hopefully some of our younger members will respond.

Not to drop names, but someone I just recently met had something to say about certain aspects of this subject.

In fact, Jesus A. and I discussed it a bit, later that night, about a select group of a younger age that often expresses interest in castration. The main concern of our discussion was: "Do they know what they're getting into, if nothing else, in regards to having low testosterone and the side effects?"

Our concern is that, no, they do not.

And that's troubling.

The only way to resist is through open discussion!

Young people have questions. It is necessary to give qualified answers and explanations of doctors to these questions, as well as give specific examples.

Being called upon in my young experience. The internet is teeming with those that only wish to see you hurt yourself. A couple of occasions I myself was caught up in these instances, probably why the orbs I had ached all the time. At first it felt worth it, they were giving the encouragement I needed to do the the work on myself. Each time though I ended up realizing there was nothing in return for me, but pain and after care. I would end the relationship and move on looking for a new owner worthy of those large nuts, but I never found it. All I found were people looking for painpigs that like hurting themselves. I got tired of so called masters/alphas/doms and decided it wasn't for anyone else but me, I wanted it more than anything. 15 years of obsessing over giving them to someone else ended with me getting them removed by a local surgeon for myself. Really helped with a lot of body issues I was having. Like I was never good enough for a real owner.

I think there's a lot of complexity in this. Guys (like me) who have or have had dreadful testicular pathologies since a young age or for a long time are often looking for a positive spin on the situation (because stoicism without joyful exploration is like eating toast with nothing on it). I've chatted to a lot of guys who lost their nuts through cancer, accidents, torsion etc who'll chat about this in private to someone who knows what things going wrong feels like, but medical lack of agency can be a very corrosive thing to have front and centre in a public identity for a lot of people.

So, we have a sexual culture of celebration of diversity and acceptance of all sorts of fantasy tropes and social-contract-pageantry that set up relationships and experiences that are exciting and life-affirming, but someone seeing that is not necessarily going to appreciate that this attractive and abundant space is more complicated than they think it is.

The big problem is, what is the difference between on the one hand someone who is encouraging someone to get surgery and not asking questions about that person's knowledge and motivations because they are respecting, perhaps, that person's agency and the framing they need to feel valuable... and on the other hand someone who keeps the suggestion implanted and buoyant because they just see the other person as an opportunity to march all over the newly-fallen snow?

My general stance is that personal autonomy is the most important thing, but beyond that there is a question about access to honest advice and information. There are two cultural causes for alarm. The first one is our situation embedded in Late Modernity. As a result of intense industrialisation, mass production, global connection and education, people are trapped in a feeling of alienated transitory meaningless. The search for community and meaning causes all sorts of problematic effects from cultural asset-stripping to fast fashion and substance addiction. Secondly, we live in a global and connected world, but different cultures have a different relationship with allegory and symbolic languages. Putting it bluntly, some people are more vulnerable to taking fantasy and pageantry at face value, interpreting therapeutic phenomena as something different.

This kind of mixture of social factors means a lot of people finding the BDSM and power exchange scene as their latest great chance to exit Late Modernity's disenchantment, and thus injecting into it the spiritual intensity of some other Late Modern project like a tent at Burning Man or a year living off porridge in Bali. I fear this influx of people are vulnerable to persuasion against what they would choose were they to really consider how they would ideally construct their lives given the resources they have (or could imagine having).

By contrast, a lot of the BDSM scene as we know it has developed in specific explainable social historic contexts. Homosexuality in Europe was associated with the Barbary Coast slaving states where it was legal for a few centuries when gay men were hanged or imprisoned in Europe, and so North Africa was a place to flee to if you were gay up until just about living memory (it is even a plot point in the novel Brideshead Revisited). Gay safe houses in England traditionally had the same name as North African slave quarters - bagno. The concept of giving up liberty, or facing alienation (rejection in this case) from family and community to find somewhere of sexual freedom where you might have to start at the bottom rung has stuck with modern LGBT and leather families. Today, the more familiar symbol of natal alienation and found family is the pet dog... so lo and behold, we have the pageantry of pup play on the scene, against the wider social context of LGBT rejection and homelessness, a wage gap and problems with securing LGBT elder care.

Bodily modifications are a lot more serious than dressing up or general cathartic bodily exploration when it comes to trying to engender a sense of commitment and insurance within a new social contract organisation or personal relationship - but how do new people know what is or is not a reasonable price 'on the door'?

It's for this reason sites and communities like this are incredibly valuable, sometimes uncomfortably doing the necessary work of talking plainly about things as well as giving space for the attractive self-branding, esteem-boosting activities and attitudes we all need to get what we need from life. In addition to the moral imperative, the fact that if there are regretters and victims of abuse the happily testiculated majority will squeeze the espirit de corps and self esteem from anyone different, perceiving us as a social threat, is a strong reason to put the work into contextualising the bright lights for new people who - like all of us - are immersed in Late Modernity.

It is not a theoretical threat. A person who regretted a transition in adulthood has recently brought a court case in the UK that has been hugely destructive to trans rights in this country, and violent hate crime has skyrocketed.

One of the big fears we have is telling people the wrong thing - what if I participate in encouraging someone to do something they regret because I was trying to be kind and supportive to them?

On the whole I've always been struck by a qualitative difference between people who are truly tuned-in to their situation in their mind, their body and the world, be that regarding gender, artistic expression, or health, versus those who aren't. Partly it is that they are consistent, insistent and persistent, but often so are people who are drunk on the possibility of re-enchantment or some magical thinking that if they reach some passport point they will unlock a better life (on the basis of variable evidence or promises of dubious value). The bigger part, though, is how banal and unsensationalised the issue is for genuine people.

It is that point where I think the centrality of social media culture means the people who are most intoxicated with enthusiasm get the most exposure, and I suspect these people are actually the ones who need to do the most work on themselves.

It is all quite depressing. The way to protect people from fantasies and misreadings is to shout "it's a play!" every few minutes, but it destroys the Shakespeare... especially when I think a lot of all of us are trying to ditch the majority's demand that we be forced to perform wretched victimhood all the time for the crime of being different or encountering different life circumstances. But if the deliberation is left to society's majority, things get even worse for us.

Anyway, all that navel-gazing essentially loops back to saying that this site itself is the healing for this issue, but you feel down about bad things that happen, for heavens' sake remember it's a sign of the times and much bigger on the structural level than we can ever be expected to solve.

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jcat (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:26 am Today, I was chatting to a really cute young guy who told be he wanted to become a eunuch. He had lost one testicle in a CBT session where it 'popped' caused hospitalisation and removal, With dire warnings that he could lose the other of not careful. He was asking me for advice. Ironic given my history and penchant for doing extreme things to my genitals. ...

This may well be the most important thread on the Forum. Thank you.

TMFL

TopManFL (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 10:30 pm This may well be the most important thread on the Forum. Thank you.

TMFL

Thank you. I really care about young people. With so much misinformation out there, I see a real lack of critical thinking. It has taken mec18 years to post something meaningful!

You have put this down eloquently. This is what is churning in my mind. I have feeling very lonely of late and joined some chat groups relating to extreme mods, castration ..... just looking to engage a bit. It quickly became apparent that I was entering into a very dark world where infatuated youth, searching for meaning in their racing hormonal state are literally being herded like cattle to various forms of amputation. With no knowledge, just driven by Testosterone. I was chatting last night again to a really good looking, intelligent guy who wants to nullified like a 'Ken Doll' because he is driven by surging Testosterone. He was really appreciative of my wisdom. I hope he comes back to chat more. He had no idea that to be horny as he'll and want hump anything that moves is a normal experience if youth. He thinks he is abnormal and should curtail it. I feel a moral responsibility to stick around some of these groups, because when they know I am a eunuch they want to chat. It is an opportunity to ask some searching questions. Maybe, some of us should become Eunuch Angels to try and get some thinking going on in this your kids heads.

Thank you Kristoff, that means a lot coming from our mother superior. I actually feel as if I can be of some use in this.

jcat (imported) wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:36 am You have put this down eloquently. This is what is churning in my mind. I have feeling very lonely of late and joined some chat groups relating to extreme mods, castration ..... just looking to engage a bit. It quickly became apparent that I was entering into a very dark world where infatuated youth, searching for meaning in their racing hormonal state are literally being herded like cattle to various forms of amputation. With no knowledge, just driven by Testosterone. I was chatting last night again to a really good looking, intelligent guy who wants to nullified like a 'Ken Doll' because he is driven by surging Testosterone. He was really appreciative of my wisdom. I hope he comes back to chat more. He had no idea that to be horny as he'll and want hump anything that moves is a normal experience if youth. He thinks he is abnormal and should curtail it. I feel a moral responsibility to stick around some of these groups, because when they know I am a eunuch they want to chat. It is an opportunity to ask some searching questions. Maybe, some of us should become Eunuch Angels to try and get some thinking going on in this your kids heads.

Taking on that kind of on the ground intense social work is immensely moral, but it is also a big sacrifice emotionally... I had a career in the advice industry and refugee work for a while and boy, did it take it out of me. Finding a balance between good humour - a touch of glamour even - and really serious, clinically-minded public service realism is something this site does well as a collective thing, but also makes it quite a strange place sometimes. if you can find a way to balance things, that's great... but it isn't anyone's responsibility as an individual to break themselves on an issue like this as some kind of martyr.

Unfortunately, young people are the most convinced they "know it all." When they ask you for your counsel, frequently what they really want is confirmation that what they have already decided to do is what they should do. Paraphrasing from "My Fair Lady,"

"They will beg you for advice.

Your reply will be concise,

And they'll listen very nicely,

Then go out and do precisely what they want!"

On the other hand, a thorough discussion of the consequences, pro and con, can be of great help to someone whose mind isn't already made up.

racerboy (imported) wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:50 am Unfortunately, young people are the most convinced they "know it all." When they ask you for your counsel, frequently what they really want is confirmation that what they have already decided to do is what they should do. Paraphrasing from "My Fair Lady,"

"They will beg you for advice.

Your reply will be concise,

And they'll listen very nicely,

Then go out and do precisely what they want!"

On the other hand, a thorough discussion of the consequences, pro and con, can be of great help to someone whose mind isn't already made up.

Maybe... in advice work though it's useful to remember that often people are face- and honour-conscious in the advice interaction, so they may choose an option you suggest or absorb and consider information you supply, but you might never get to see that happening. This is especially the case where there is a power imbalance... which could be a reason every generation ends up perceiving younger generations as ignoring them.

magusuk89 (imported) wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:07 am Maybe... in advice work though it's useful to remember that often people are face- and honour-conscious in the advice interaction, so they may choose an option you suggest or absorb and consider information you supply, but you might never get to see that happening. This is especially the case where there is a power imbalance... which could be a reason every generation ends up perceiving younger generations as ignoring them.

This is kind of what I meant when I said about not being a martyr to an issue like this. The work is often extremely thankless, and unless you have a really deep well of motivation and are happy about having very little feedback or confirmation that you made any positive impact, it can be hard. Finding meaning in that kind of task is probably as much of a wild goose chase as the kids are on!

As there is no uniform entity named EA, the youth is not uniformly same. Some people naturally take more risks than other. Although it is youth that takes more risks due to their brain is oriented more to gain, result with much less critical thinking. And yes, we should educate them as much as we could. It has always been this way. Since the very beginning of humanity. But you can't save them all. You Only can reduce casualities. I for example, have allways been rather modest in fulfilling my desires. I remember that in my late teens and early twenties I was afraid that I could do something really irreparable, something I will regret to myself in the quest fulfilling my desires. That feeling held me back destroying my balls, as I allready discovered that cooling them down while their blood supply is cut, kills the pain almost completely. People are different. And we know TrentAG who killed his balls off using exactly the same numbing method. May be he is happy now. Happier than me during all these years. Who knows.

Also, there is other side - CBT Masters. I have no personal experience with sub/master world. But often times people concentrate on suffering side. But there is always two sides. Masters do not want to take responsibility. Like subs do not perceive possible consequences of permanent modifications. As I understand responsible masters are a sought after people.

erikboy (imported) wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:50 pm Also, there is other side - CBT Masters. I have no personal experience with sub/master world. But often times people concentrate on suffering side. But there is always two sides. Masters do not want to take responsibility. Like subs do not perceive possible consequences of permanent modifications. As I understand responsible masters are a sought after people.

I have quite a bit of experience and active involvement with this world so (though folk will be sick of hearing my voice on this thread) I'll throw in a comment.

Within BDSM and power exchange the submissive side is often about fulfilling a need to escape from personal responsibility (be that existential fear or stress of accountability in other parts of life -- the destitute sub and the CEO sub are both established archetypes) whereas the dominant side is about exploring power and responsibility.

The kind of person who is happy to enjoy the responsibility of domination is either desperate for a self-esteem boost and to feel some agency, or is somebody who feels sufficiently powerful or resource-rich that taking control is not stressful to them. For the latter reason you do get dominants who are motivated by the expectations of either traditional masculinity or women's liberation who perhaps put themselves out there to conform with a socially sanctioned role rather than what might come naturally. Some lifestyle dominants seem to view it as a sexual version of a seat on the parish council. Indeed, finding a dominant who is a natural sociologist, priest or psychotherapist is probably the same likelihood as finding one on a parish council.

Because subs are often looking for a scene-based escape from accountability, there is no guarantee they will be motivated to seek out a prospective dominant who is adequately equipped to take on appropriate responsibility.

For this reason, several systems (RACK (risk-Aware Consensual Kink) and Safe, Sane and Consensual) have come about in the BDSM community as golden rules to limit danger. It is important to note that they involve subjective value judgements about risk and sanity though!

BDSM is not at all the same as abuse, but when people are looking to meet their needs through power exchange the thought and feeling process can sit very close to things like wanting significant life problems to be taken away, and so the usual vulnerabilities to abuse definitely apply to these interactions, such as inequalities in income, education, housing, immigration status, access to the law, and so forth.

So... while there is a sense that responsible masters are sought-after people, quite often on the ground in a city the dominants who get the most attention are those who can provide stability of a more basic kind than being expert psychological operatives -- exciting and expensive gear, conventional attractiveness, a happening social crowd, no financial drama, and so on. As I mentioned in a previous comment, a lot of famous and long-established leather families in the scene (like drag houses) are people who have got through turmoil as a group (e.g. familial rejection and homelessness, the AIDS crisis and so on). When there is a traditional element of the protective social contract organisation around a BDSM networked relationship, it is all a lot more complex than whether a dominant is actually someone possessed of great personal qualities for pastoral care and therapy. One of the biggest kink twitter hashtag sets relates to the idea 'your dominant is not your therapist'.

There's a lot being made of youthfulness as a force towards reckless behaviour, but I see the vulnerability of youth much more as being one of having not built up the financial and social resources to operate in the world fully independently, and so the scene being driven by forces other than mutual self-actualisation is a lesson sadly often learned the hard way.

What I am more concern is the ease of obtaining information, without knowing it is true or not, and consequent. There are terms called 藥娘 (the one who take female hormones , anti-testosterone, etc, the called the medicine 糖， sugar)，偽娘 (the one who act like a female, can be just cross dressing, but some wish to be more female and take hormones, some castrated, caged, cosmetics surgery, some become nullo but they may not have any medical consultation)，etc on various platform. Some users are underage, some advocating young , some using online photos , photo editing photos and pretends he or she is this group. Then asking other to follow them , buy movie from them, sponsor them , buy medicine from them, underground surgery, Asking the "slaves" to provide money to them and they called them as ATM ( automatic taller machines) .

Cannot estimate how many, real person or robot, or just a single person and controlled a large amount of users.

However, how to provide correct information to young is an issue.

circumcised (imported) wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:47 pm What I am more concern is the ease of obtaining information, without knowing it is true or not, and consequent. There are terms called 藥娘 (the one who take female hormones , anti-testosterone, etc, the called the medicine 糖， sugar)，偽娘 (the one who act like a female, can be just cross dressing, but some wish to be more female and take hormones, some castrated, caged, cosmetics surgery, some become nullo but they may not have any medical consultation)，etc on various platform. Some users are underage, some advocating young , some using online photos , photo editing photos and pretends he or she is this group. Then asking other to follow them , buy movie from them, sponsor them , buy medicine from them, underground surgery, Asking the "slaves" to provide money to them and they called them as ATM ( automatic taller machines) .

Cannot estimate how many, real person or robot, or just a single person and controlled a large amount of users.

However, how to provide correct information to young is an issue.

There is good information about, but people have to be able to find it. All the personal blogs and things you mention are in social and sex-related spaces, whereas the best information will be in medical journals, online medical resources meant to be public-facing (e.g. the NHS website in the UK) or through serious discussion boards. I suppose putting links to the latter within the former would be a good start -- like how UK gambling and alcohol adverts have to have the websites for support linked in them.

One problem is standards of care and medical opinions vary widely between countries though, so if you tried to put up a medical website for information globally, it would run up against edge cases and national politics. An example of this is what I'm going through at the moment re autoimmune things.

Wow @magusuk89, a lot in here that I connect with. Sex for me is completely an escape. A place I feel welcomed and safe(bdsm aside). That is something I do not get on a daily basis. It is a big factor in how I built my current relationship. My husband knows that I like to have sex and in that our relationship is open. As a very open person, I hope in putting myself out there publicly I can help people, but it is true that sometimes it is something you need to find out the hard way.

justapup (imported) wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:25 am Wow @magusuk89, a lot in here that I connect with. Sex for me is completely an escape. A place I feel welcomed and safe(bdsm aside). That is something I do not get on a daily basis. It is a big factor in how I built my current relationship. My husband knows that I like to have sex and in that our relationship is open. As a very open person, I hope in putting myself out there publicly I can help people, but it is true that sometimes it is something you need to find out the hard way.

I hear you... and thanks for the mention -- I appreciate it.

I can't speak for everywhere or everyone, but I have this sense it is particularly difficult to find a sense of security in the world these days, and a lot of us are frantically alliance-building and trying to feel our way into what Orlando Patterson memorably called 'networks of protective power'. Often the currency we instinctively reckon is most reliable is that of our bodies and emotions. I hope the gambles we make pay off for as many of us as possible --- and I mean that principally in terms of our management of ourselves. As I said above though, entirely introspective responses, like Stoicism, are like eating dry toast. Hopefully we'll all fall in with a good crowd who can keep us balanced and afford some enjoyment of life.

Having just returned from a weekend of BDSM debauchery with 250 other gay men, my response to a man getting castrated or nullified to satisfy the wants of another is... DON'T DO IT FOR THAT REASON.

If it is something the submissive wants in reality, and for similar reason as most of those who are here and have been castrated have done, then it is potentially o.k. so long as the man having his man parts removed has done his research, carefully considered that for the rest of his life he will no longer have genitals (or testicles depending on how far he goes), and it is truly how he wishes to live the remainder of his life. THERE IS NO GLUING YOUR COCK AND BALLS BACK ON AFTER THEY ARE GONE. If a guy has any part or the entirety of his genitals amputated, there is NO coming back from it.

The threat of castration can be a powerful dynamic in a BDSM Master/slave exchange. However, instances of having it done for real for the purposes of living out a BDSM fantasy, are quite rare, and I'm guessing if not rare seem so, because a person who is having it done for that reason will suddenly wake up to the stark reality they probably shouldn't have done it without more careful consideration of life after it was done. Those are likely the guys who leave forums such as this due to regret and buyers remorse. Though many others have left because their goal was achieved and they felt they were unlikely to have any personal benefit from remaining in associated castration forums.

This comes from a guy who has had these surgeries himself (me), and spent this last weekend asking submissive men how much CBT (Cock and ball torture) they wished to receive from me. I told them they needed to let me know if it was a lightly reddened scrotum or a testicle ruptured, thoughI would never do the latter for a guy... too much risk in the moment.

All this is a long way to say, if you're submissive, and a Dominant comes to you asking you to cut your balls and/or dick off for them... Run. Run as fast as you can the other direction. You do it because YOU want it, not because someone asked you to. I know of one guy who did this to please his Master. Once his cock and balls were gone, the Master dumped him. For the Master it was a long-time fantasy fulfilled, for the sub it was a lifetime commitment he later regretted.

^ 100% agree.

Something to add from the perspective of someone in the 'medical reason' camp is that a lot of the erotica we create and consume (create a market for) centres pleasing another person because it's a proxy for the lack of agency that medical necessity imposes... but re-frames it to include some sense of getting back something in exchange, like value, attention or whatever.

Say someone with one leg had a sexual fantasy where someone removed the leg as some sort of domination game, with an intense concentration on powerplay between the two people. In reality that's crafting something out of what actually may have been utterly, crushingly meaningless, painful and undignified in the moment (say, a freak-chance industrial accident). In that comparison it's a hugely affirming act to eroticise it differently. Then add the magnificence of runners in the Paralympics... ... Essentially there's a danger for someone to want a piece of the action from media not intended for them/to attract them in that particular way.

As much as I'm crazy about having my balls out, and really appreciate all sorts of horny fantasies about that, at root actually what's going on in my case is a nasty combination of a congenital deformity causing frequent torsions, a resulting in an 8/10 pain condition, and nasty interactions with a systemic autoimmune condition that takes £100,000 p/a medication to vaguely keep a lid on... so...

Yes, to restate: the literature out there about doing it for another person exists not because doing others' bidding in that way is a great way to live, but because it is a more validating fantasy version of situations that are a lot darker.

Losethem (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:45 am I know of one guy who did this to please his Master. Once his cock and balls were gone, the Master dumped him. For the Master it was a long-time fantasy fulfilled, for the sub it was a lifetime commitment he later regretted.

A very insightful response. It is this last bit that worries me. I am sure that within dare I say it mainstream BDSM, especially in the context of your recent event there is a code of practice it is outside of this circle that the danger is.