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is it just me or has this place slowed down lately? I know I'm part of the problem, as I mostly lurk, but it just seems like the variety and scope of discussions on these message boards has decreased ...

Yes, I think you make a good observation. It could be due to several factors, not just one or two you could point your finger at though. I know there are 1,000's of members here. I would like to hear from some of them that have never posted before. It seems like only a small few of the many here, post on a regular basis.

for some of us to talk all the time--even when we seem to try.

several big reasons - - It's spring after a harsh winter and we all have to get out and spring clean, but stuff for Easter and get outside.

And then there's that pesky little war going on. Killing and Destruction seems to depress people. . . (I'm going to resist making smart-ass remarks about politics)

And the endless TV coverage. endless, endless, endless!

That's why I think it's slowed a little here.

Dave

Yep, It has slowed quite a bit. It could be the topics that are up for discussion, I can only speak for myself but I have little or no interest with the top 5 or 6 threads going on.

River

For me the main thing that has happened is my sadistic job. There was hardly anything to do all winter long and now that spring is here suddenly everyone is demading everything. <grin> Kind of like punishing you all winter (you have plenty of time, but weather is garbage so you can't do anything..) now I have no time and the weather is beutiful.

So I guess Dave is right. Must be spring and the news coverage. I have not had much time myself.

Anyone else been really busy lately?

--LT

For me, I don't usually start threads and only comment on those that interest me or that I feel I can add something to. Recently there have been very few threads I felt the need to respond to.

I'm not one who has an incessant need to chatter about things just to let people know I'm here.

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P.S. And yes the current "war" coverage probably has put a damper on a lot of our normal interactions. For myself I'm back to carrying on a daily basis my primary and backup, and spare magazines for both. It's not that I expect to need tham at all, just that if I did I'd feel pretty stupid if they were at home locked up. *sigh* Just don't make any rapid, threatening moves in my vicinity and well both be much happier ... (Even after all these years I tend to switch back into combat mode rapidly ... )

T

Well, Riverwind (and all)

I am open to discussions on how to encourage more participation and more threads of interest to the community at large.

We could try turning off the need to register again (subject to Paolo's approval on that one) which we did in response to trolling, etc.

Throw in your .02 worth.

Dunno, but I'd be happy being able to get to the IRC channel for this place. I left a window up that had "/join #gaycastration" (and a couple of other ones) in the startup scripts, left over from a previous IRC server I'd connected to, and when I returned I'd been banned.

That was over two months ago, and I've tried to get attention to get un-banned, and not been successful.

What gives?

Maybe we are all too conservative.

A-1

I've only been checking this board every few days instead of every day, because recently I've been very busy with work. There also has been less topics discussed that interest me.

I've never posted prior to a few days when I had to add my two cents worth to the "Suicide" section, dealing with Saddam. I pointed out what happened to Hitler during WW II. You just can't keep a retired History teacher out of a good conversation.

I have found information on the Board interesting and have been thinking about posting something on the castration section due to medication I am taking, which has essentially chemically castrated me. My story seems so dull when compared to others I read!!

There seems to be less interest, I think, because the Eunuch Archive has become an advertisment/support page for Dr. Spector/Dr. Kimmel only. Every time someones asks or writes on the topic of wanting castration, the response is always to go to Philly. They are not the only solution to one's much needed castration. Risks are presented in cutting, burdizzo or elastration but one should be able to look at the risks, the excitement, the pleasure, the results,the cutter and determine what method and who they want to do the castration without the seemingly ridicule of the archive saying stupid you go to Philly. It seems to me that over the past year that every guy who has written about his needs gets the same response and that is the end of the thread. Not every guy in need wants or can afford Philly. As a result, I find that I check the archive much less and seldom respond. Castrated almost 8 years ago via the burdizzo, and elastrated my sac and nut remnants 3 years, I know that Philly is not the only way to go. Eunuch Boots

Boots,

The Archive doesn't have anything to do with Spector/Kimmel. It's people who have gone to Philly and been satisfied that respond encouraging people to go to Philly.

Certainly not all of the members here agree, especially in regards to Spector (who is not practicing anymore).

You have to understand that it's a delicate balance between discussing alternative methods of castration and not encouraging members to do anything unsafe. I don't want the Eunuch Archive on the 6 o'clock news because one of our members did something stupid they read on the boards here.

Good responses from everyone so far, I am still interested in hearing more.

I appreciate and understand your reponse. If you go back and look at your response to my response, you will find the put down that eliminates one's desire to write. Sorry to have responded just to be put down, as seems to happen so often to many writers/responders. Eunuch Boots

Boots,

I did go back and re-read my response and I am not sure what the put down was. Maybe you can quote the part you found offensive?

My point was that it's just plain old every day members that talk about Spector etc.

Short of telling them they can't speak about their own experiences I am not sure what I can do.

I was telling why I think there is less interest which is my undebately feeling and the response was YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND which is the same as saying stupid you, you do not get it and thus the put down. But if you and most of your always responders do not see that, then I would predict that there will be little or no change in interest. Sorry for telling you how I feel as perhaps that is not what the archive wants. Eunuch Boots

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Boots (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:35 pm Every time someones asks or writes on the topic of wanting castration, the response is always to go to Philly. They are not the only solution to one's much needed castration. Risks are presented in cutting, burdizzo or elastration but one should be able to look at the risks, the excitement, the pleasure, the results,the cutter and determine what method and who they want to do the castration without the seemingly ridicule of the archive saying stupid you go to Philly.

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Maybe you have a point, most posts recommend either going to see Dr. Kimmel or going to Thailand. Maybe if you responded to these posts with info on other methods of castration, stating both the positive and negative adventages and disadventages, there would be a greater balance between amateur and professional castration on the message board. Most posts on the archive dealing with amateur castration tend to end badly, and that is probably why most posts recommend going to a professional, maybe by sharing your experiences, advice and techniques of castration you will give other wannabes a greater understanding of the difference choices they have at hand.

All the best,

Leon

Hey boots! Where you been?

talula

Boots, two points here...

First, I think you have a good point about the posts being a bit more pro-Philly than would make sense for a non-commercial board. I'll say more about that below.

Second, I do think you might be reading a bit more into the response than was intended. The response didn't do much more than acknowledge your point and then quickly point out a possible explanation, but I can see how you could read it as being dismissive. (Don't infer a hostility that's not there. It's too easy to get your nose bent out of shape, in today's world, by doing that. God knows, it's a failing of mine.)

Now, about Philly and all that..

I've been a bit surprised at the Spector-fest, myself. I agree with BBoy that people often point a newbie/unknown to a professional because most amateur attempts at this end up going poorly or end up in the newspaper (or a psych ward in a hospital).

It seems to me, however, that Spector was/is a "surgical castration is the one size that fits all" practitioner. There are others out there who would refute that mindset, having excellent luck with testosterone-killing medicines, clamps, and fantasy-not-reality lives.

I admit it: I've been a fence-sitter for far longer than most cutters would have patience for. I *have* to know, in my mind, that I won't immediately be suicidal before taking such a step. (That's just me, but I know *me* better than anyone else.) A practitioner who had the rep of Spector (who has his share of controvery in the form of rumors and innuendo about poor procedure/followup) might not pay attention to that part of my psyche, to my long-term detriment.

Summary: yeah, you have a point.

Let me just repeat the main point that the Archive doesn't promote any type of castration. It is primarily a story archive and related community.

That being said, again, there's no pro-Spector/Kimmel conspiracy.

Neither Paolo or I have ever met, talked to, seen, or in any way shape of form whatsoever had any contact with him whatsoever. I believe the same to be true of talula as well, although he can certainly speak for himself.

If people want information on how to get themselves castrated, and the people who have gone to Spector/Kimmel are pleased with their results, then I assume that's why they post information about them. Same as when people are shopping for a new car I tell them how much I like mine and where I got it.

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Ok?

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Bboy wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:49 pm I don't want the Eunuch Archive on the 6 o'clock news because one of our members did something stupid they read on the boards here.

Some months ago, I watched a Real Player clip of this, streaming, and I didn't know how to save it or I would have. This was a news story that ran on a Canadian station about a man who went to a cutter that he met online, and things went wrong. Somehow, the media got a hold of the story.

So, in fact, this has already happened.

In the video clip, a shot of the index page of the Archive was even used, (very clearly) and the narrator referred to it as "the dark underbelly of the Internet" or something like that.

Lovely.

One can't help but to wonder how closely sites this are being watched now.

Another close call was discussed at http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthr ... n+go+wrong in where a private cutter was used and things went wrong. The police were involved, and several news stories were printed about it. This one rattled a LOT of people, I don't mind saying.

I also don't have the link handy, but I believe I read about a TS girl named Tammy who attempted to castrate her husband and he wound up dead as well.

Bboy is also correct in his thoughts that those who are satisfied by having used the services of Spector and/or Kimmell post out of their desire to share. They are satisfied customers, for the most part, and wish to have others avoid the risk factor of the "back alley cutter" which is analogous to the abortionists of days gone by. Certainly there are those are NOT happy, usually with Dr. Spector before he retired, and they have the right to sound off as well - as long as they don't go a slandering crusade over a multitude of posts about it.

Word of mouth, in the retail area, is a powerful thing. Certainly Kimmell qualifies as a retailer of sorts.

As for posting and being made to feel stupid, well, as to that I can only say that this is the last thing that Bboy would do to a member. I've read the posts a number of times, and Boots, you are taking it wrong. Please trust me on that one. I know Bboy better than most do. (I even know what his tongue looks like, so nyah nyah nyah ... but I'm not one to kiss and tell!) :tongueout

Now, if you feel the need to be called stupid, or perhaps smacked upside the head, then just ask. We'll see what we can do about it.

There are risks involved in any type of body modification. Even something as simple as a single piercing can go bad, and something as major as castration, well, that goes without saying. If you don't believe that, I could dig up and scan a picture of one of the boys when his new earring went south on him. It wasn't pretty!

Cutters are more than welcome to advertise, but the point is, it's very risky for them. Abortionists of days gone by didn't exactly run radio ads! Meeting up with a cutter, as anyone who has tried can tell you, is NOT easy. And for good reason. Castrations at the dining room table aren't exactly legal.

Hopefully, if nothing else, the Archive serves as an outlet for a rather unique community that the medical profession at large fails to acknowledge. It may be YOUR body, but as cases have shown in the past on related issues, you certainly don't have FULL rights to do with it as you please. You really don't even have the right to say "this is enough" and die with some dignity.

her name was Tammy Feldbaum and one of the articles is at this link:

http://www.post-gazette.com/neigh_north ... tammy2.asp

and here:

http://www.post-gazette.com/regionstate ... baump4.asp

and here:

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/search/s_19726.html

She still maintains that she didn't do anything wrong. But if she and her husband hadn't attempted a castration, he would still be alive. That's the legal judgement, not my opinion.

Dave

I will change my signoff and remove the reference to Dr Kimmel and his phone number and fax. If anybody wants to know they can email me. In the future I will only make reference that I used a doctor to be castrated.

Bring on the elastrator, hell I have used it too.

River

Riverwind,

I don't think that's necessary. Please restore your sig to the way you want it.

B