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Hello,

I am currently researching a documentary proposal for broadcast in the US/Canada on modern-day eunuchs.

For this documentary, we would very much like to find someone who wants to be a eunuch, who is going through the process and preparing for it in a serious way. We're interested in documenting this process, from the psychiatry to the surgery and beyond. The focus is very much on eunuchs today, and would-be eunuchs, from a health/medical perspective.

I thought this might be a good place for such a posting...

Please note that we're not interested in any "do-it-yourself" stories.

Any help or contacts any of you might be able to provide would be much appreciated. Thanks very much.

Cheers,

Rob

AAC FACT

'Eunuchs'

Im wondering bout the last post re TV doc. I hope anyone out there that is thinking about this is well informed as to who is doing it. Has some control of content, and has some common sence. This is a very tender tender subject and for some one to come along like this may or may not be a good thing. I wonder what Dr. spector would think of this or Dr. Kimmel? You may end up with a broken life and really need health care after TV is done with any one of us. It seems that this should be a public tv deal not some private free lancer. I just hope and pray if anyone gets this idea in their head they think it through real real good. Some of us are wounded already and this could serve to wound us more. Thats my opinion. Be careful, have contract control over content, make sure you can be protected and your life will not be ruened by some TV do gooder who doesen't understand any of this, or us as individuals.... Scottie

I was actually interviewed by a UK company that did end up making a documentary regarding eunuchs. However, in the end I refused to sign over the rights to my interview, because I realized that "coming out" on t.v. was not something I was ready for. All it would take would be one of my customers in the UK to see the documentary and my professional life would get rocky.

I agree that you should think very carefully before coming out as a eunuch, especially on t.v.

This post was unsolicited and not cleared by the Staff.

I would advise extreme caution in replying to this person.

Hello,

I thought I would add that I think all of your warnings are well-received, and are generally good advice.

Should this documentary get done, it would indeed be on national television, and while subjects get involved to some degree on the content, it is extremely rare that someone would have editorial control over the program. So yes, I also would advise any interested people to think it over carefully, and to not hesitate to contact me with questions or concerns and so on.

Everyone involved in this program understands the sensitive and serious nature of the subject matter, and for that we want to do a serious, sensitive and dignifying program, looking at the theme from a health/medical angle. In no way will it be treated sensationally.

The crew and director at this stage are all long-time award-winning documentarians, having worked as professionals in the field for decades. Also, an AAC production won Best Documentary at this year's Oscar ('Bowling for Columbine') and another was nominated ('Prisoner of Paradise').

So yes, do reflect on it, but also consider how such a program could be useful and helpful in raising the issue, in educating and informing the general public. Especially if it's done by a seasoned and reputable production company such as ours.

That's all.

Thank you for your feedback and consideration.

Yours,

Roberto Verdecchia

AAC FACT

Anything associated with the "Bowling for Columbine" fiasco has definitely got to be considered very carefully.

God only knows what they'd say about the FACTS that they COULD gather from here.

<sarcasm>I mean, after all, we're all a bunch of evil perverts stalking innocent young men online, in hopes of tracking them down and cutting their little giblets off, aren't we?</sarcasm>

Busily checks agenda... Oops, wrong answer!

Bowling for Columbine was a great film!

The people in power are pissed off because Moore made a political point at the oscars, and in so doing, took up ten seconds longer then he was meant to when making his speech.

How dare a short fat block make a room full of movie stars sit ten seconds longer then they were meant too!

It is true though, not all the facts were entirely objective, for example the stastitics for the gun crimes in other countries. Britian's were slightly lower in the film then they actually are, but besides from minor flaws I thought it was good, well illustrated documentary showing how fucked up America really is.

Although a castration documentary in the style of Bowling for Columbine? No thank you, but then again no thank you to those silly programmes Discovery Channel makes on the body modification scene.

Now for something completely different...

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Paolo wrote: Wed May 14, 2003 12:07 pm <sarcasm>I mean, after all, we're all a bunch of evil perverts stalking innocent young men online, in hopes of tracking them down and cutting their little giblets off, aren't we?</sarcasm>

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<no sarcasm at all> Paolo, you do that too... its not just me... I always thought i was alone in this world, now I know I'm not. The Eunuch Archive really make us perverts feel normal! <no sarcasm at all>

Please quote that in the documentary, please!

All the best

Leon

Leon (imported) wrote: Thu May 15, 2003 12:04 am Bowling for Columbine was a great film!

Leon

The fact is 90% of the gun crimes are criminals shooting other criminals, for them it's 90% of the time a crime just to have a gun........

Bowling for Columbine..... distrorted the truth.... and having a TV doc on eunuches is just asking the have all the facts distorted to their politicital agenda.....

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My post above is entirely tongue in cheek, although I did enjoy Bowling for Columbine.

Being British, having never been to America, what little knowledge I have comes from the media. From programmes as diverse as Ricki Lake and Jerry Springer to the social documentaries on Discovery analysing poverty and crime in modern america. Maybe that makes me naive, and maybe that is why I enjoyed Bowling for Columbine, although I have seen other evidence to support Michael Moore's views.

Please do not take my above post seriously.

I was stoned when I wrote it! I thought it was funny at the time.

All the best,

Leon

"An armed society is a polite society."

Robert Anson Heinlein, Beyond this Horizon

I have been guilty of posting when lit before.

I found the post amusing though. I think I got it.

Contact me, I plan to go back to Philadelphia soon to get it done.

Bull

"But really, the thing about Columbine... I live about ten miles from there. I know several families that were affected via their kids. (I've had "Special" relationships with some of their moms)."

Salami,

I guess it is different when you know the people involved. The problem learning everything I know about the case from the news is, it isn't real!

I mean that in the sense that my media teacher meant it, 'Nothing you see in the media is real. You don't see the world through a square box.' You just see what other people report and choose to show you.

I guess when you speak to the people involved, come to know and respect them, you come closer to the truth of the matter. You come to know the true facts, and as such I respect your opinion.

Maybe I should try to be more serious at times, especially as I am training to be a counsellor!

All the best,

Leon

Aside from all the commentary about Columbine,

The original post asked for a volunteer.

Just thought I would point that out.

Dave

gun control to me is a two handed grip, aiming, and hitting what you aim at, so i am all for gun control!

WHERE AM I? Some social commentary site? The post asked for people who would sell out their stories for a moment of glory and alot of pain! No Im sure in the scheme of all things someone will do it. If not at this message board then somewhere else. This commentary on guns, and sociao-economic stuff is ok, but this is a bit out- there to say the least. You can post what you want and it seems that the moderator is fair and allows a wide range of discretion but Focus Focus Focus. Even if your high or looped focus focus focus. I think with this forum there comes a responcibility. Maybe Im all wet but thats just how I feel. And so it goes.... Scottie

Scottie makes good points. I think all policitcal and socio-econoimic issues might better be posted in the Deep Dark Cellar and with a heading isntead of throwing centuries-old jokes into a non related discussion. That's what I think and I've been guilty of straying far from the subject.

Thank you Scottie.

Time to delurk and add my $0.02.

As a pre-op m2f, I am cautious about any event that could possibly put my in the public spotlight. Sure there are scads of documentaries on the topic of transsexuality, ranging from pure sensationalism to political activism shows. Plus T*'s are a staple on talk shows. I believe the vast majority of us, myself included, prefer boring anonymity to having our 15 minutes of infamy.

Yet transsexuality is far better understood and tolerated within mainstream society than modern-day eunuchs and that's not saying very much. An act (castration) which the vast majority of medical and mental health professionals consider aberrative, willful mutilation; is not something I could envision anyone wanting their face associated with on (inter)national tv. Though I suspect the original poster has already received several private responses from willing volunteers.

OTOH, I'd be more than happy to discuss my motivation in wishing to be castrated here, "as an interim step until I have a complete SRS." That about sums that up. Moreover, I'd be willing to have a video or photographic diary of the procedure performed surgically, burdizzoed, banded, and/or chemically in full before, during, and after by a competent practitioner. Just so long as the camera was aimed solely at my genitals and nowhere near my face nor any audio recording of me.

I have a hunch though this would not satisfy the producer of this show, they'd want more sensationalism methinks. But if you want to prove me wrong, feel free to get in touch.

Some of us older people will remember when Christine Jorgensen becme famous when she revealed her change from male to female, George to Christine, back in 1952-53. It was THE story of the time and beause it was the hot news story in the mainstream press -- very daring for the day -- it became acceptable. In fact the part of the press that decried it were the sleaxy tabloids. Because of that the topic was open and whatever peopel felt about it it was accepted as legitimate. If there was something like that concerning a eunuch the same thing would happen. There is nothing "wrong" with anything along these lines, just whether or not we have reached the point of general acceptance. For this reason any eunuch or would-be who would be able to comfortably reveal himself and tell all would probably become the one who opens the doors for the others and future ones.

This does not mean that everyone should come out publicly. It has to be in your nature to do so. Privacy is the ultimate situation. But in every area of human experience there are thsoe who go public and htose who remain private. You should always follow your own choice.

I WANT EVERYONE..... THATS EVERYONE..... TO REALIZE..... HOW LUCKY WE ARE TO HAVE THIS FORUM!!!!!! YOU PEOPLE SAVED MY LIFE!!!!! KEPT ME GOING!!!!! HELPED ME GET MY OPERATION!!!! STOOD WITH ME THROUGH ALL OF IT!!!!! hOW LUCKY WE ALL ARE TO BE HERE BROTHERS AND SISTERS. THE ONLY PEOPLE I WOULD WANT TO MEET WOULD BE ALL OF YOU!!!!!!

I want to shout this message to everyone!!!!!! We have a wonderful place here and how lucky we all are. We do not need the televison to screw us up or any other group to hate us becasue we have made different choices. The public is fickel. One day it will be fashionable to be a Eunuch and then the next they will hate us all. SO BE CAREFUL WHO YOU SHARE WITH!!! The public that seems so enlightened IS NOT!!!!! Even Christene has and had her problems with the public. Remember also that there are those folks in Washington who want to legislate our morality and our patriotisim. SO BE CAREFUL!!!! Haven't we all been hurt to some degree by family members, friends, significant otheres and so on. I know I have. just remember when the going gets tough.... We get to come here and get the love and caring we all need and want... And so it goes Scottie

You're right. No matter how far we get with accpedtance in any group there are always the residual leftovers who need to bash, criticize and hate. Usually they're utpid, but as you can see, they vote for others who pander to them for power.

You are very insightful, Scottie.

I don't think that there are many people who have not come directly in conmtact with eunuchs who even know they still exist. I can just see Rick Santorum (aka Sick Sanitarium, aka Hitler from Pennsylvania) getting all bent out of shape if he found out someone wanted to be a eunuch. Ho!

Re: Cristine Jorgensen: I recall seeing an interview with her once. The press was causticly commenting how clumsy and awkward she was walking down the ramp off the plane in her heels as if to imply she lacked "feminine grace." To which she replied that considering none of the men would take her heavy bags as she stepped off, she managed about as well as any other woman could under the curcumstances.

Ms. Jorgensen made a living for herself following the media spectacle as an entertainer/comedienne. But her inital media portrayal was anything but objective, it was pure sensationalism. And for another example, Renee Richards, once publicly exposed as a transsexual against her consent by the media pretty much brought the end to both her medical and tennis careers.

There are certainly other transgendered medical professionals, so Ms. Richards may have helped ultimately open that door. But I cannot find any other example of transgendered athletes, and especially none that wouldn't be considered scandalous to this day. Consider the chromosonal tests still administered to most Olympic athletes to this day to verify their biological sex.

Bottom line: before a eunuch-to-be considers signing up for this documentary. Make sure your friends, family, employer, your children's classmates, their parents, etc. are comfortable with your decision to do this. It's probably better they learn about it from the horse's mouth so to speak than seeing their neighbor being neutered on an A&E special.

Conversely, I suspect someone out there owns his own tattoo parlor/piercing salon and doesn't give a #%* what anyone thinks about his forked tongue, tats, prince albert, or eunuch status. Trouble is, for the producers to find him before the nuts are gone.

Not to mention, he'd not be representative of the vast majority of folks wanting to be castrated. It'd just be like the portrayal of gay men in the 70's-80's on tv solely as the leather queers and drag queens showing off during Folsom St. fairs.

Yes, you're right on all points. But really if we sit around waiting for people to approve anyone who is not under teh protective married wiht kids banner, we'll never get anything done. As someone who never married I can ell you that is as odd to most people in the vast majority as anything. They can't fathom it.

Re: the Olympic testing, I believe that was due to that Russian "woman" who the communists tried to foist off to win the gold. I was not reallyh resolved but "she" was so close to being a geneitc male that they instituted those tests.

Poor renee reall got shafted, but in many ways some of the concerns about her male musculature giving ehr an unfair advantage over her female opponents were valid. To reject her in the locker room was bullshit since female reporters must be allowed into men's locker rooms, but the objections about her having a stronger serve than other females wsere accpetable.

Yes, Renee had a rough time of it, though part of it was do to the dithering - Richard - Renee - Richard - Renee before finally settling down and sticking with Renee.

(I do recall, though, finding humor in the various jokes/comments about Renee opening up a totally new area in tennis: Mixed Singles ... )

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