Eunuch

[Gelding]

Hi!

I am a 25yo male who wants to be castrated. I would like to try chemical treatment first and then get an orchiectomy. I've choosen the name "gelding" because that's the first term I knew about for castration because of horses. I didn't know eunuch was more than historical figures. I've always felt not 100% male and the first time I really thought about castration as becoming more neutral is when I was 19.

I've always identified as a more "feminine" or "neutral" men, like having a small penis and no masculine traits (tbh I've tried been a men when I was 18 ans get muscles but I just wanted to fit with other males). I've been into chastity cages and I love how it makes me look with a smaller penis. The issue is that they make me very horny and with erections and everything its not really viable I think. Sexually speaking I'm okay. I've had relations with women. Sex was okay but I won't miss it, I did it for her. Loosing libido is something which I'm also interested in but I don't even know why because I'm not religious and I don't have issues with my sexuality.

I don't "hate" my testicles it's just that I want non working genitalia. I've tied cords around my testicles a couple of time but I feared ending up at hospital so I stopped. It's was a bit frustrating to think that horses who probably don't want it get it very easily (just phone a vet and its done!?) while nothing felt realistical for me. I once even thought about going to sexual therapy claiming that I have uncontrollable urges but of course that's a silly idea.

So that was until I read about SoC 8 of WPATH. Now I beleive there is a way to get what I want, honestly I can't beleive its recognised. I just fear that they'll tell me I'm not legitimate because I'm not trying to kill my testicles or that the vision I have of my gender is too vague. So here I am, looking forward to talk to you and hopefully soon get my GNRHa prescription and orchiectomy!

[Castor]

Hi,

Welcome to the EA! It's great that you have found the EA and would like to get castrated. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

-Castor

[WheelyFixed]

Hi and welcome to the forum!

Thank you for that well written intro about how you've come to realize the desire to be castrated... Your profile doesn't say where you are posting from, and that makes a big difference in what sorts of care and services are available.

In most, but not all US States, care via the SOCv8 is relatively easy to obtain (and in many cases will be at least partly covered by your insurance) by reaching out to your local Transgender Center, and there are usually ones associated with most major hospitals, or they will know who to call... Startpage is your friend... You can also try reaching out to your local LGBT+ support groups for the right contacts.

Similar situations apply in much of Europe (except for the UK) although the rules will vary. Other parts of the world vary a lot....

If you are in a place where they don't like our chapter in the SOCv8, there are a few places that MAY be able to help with virtual care and mail-order prescriptions for chemical castration drugs. Some have also used mail-order pharmacies with mixed results (lots of fake drugs apparently) For surgery there are several clinics that have a good reputation and operate on an 'informed consent' basis where many members have gone as 'medical tourists'...

If you would be willing to tell us approximately where you are from, it will help us to know what to suggest...

Good luck on your journey.

WheelyFixed

[Gelding]

Thanks for the welcoming replies.

I am from Switzerland, so I've checked and SoC8 should be fine. Theoretically endocrinologists can work on informed consent but some require a recommandation letter to justify for hormone treatment. The insurance asks for a diagnosis by therapist and might require additionnal information if they find it insufficient (I'm sure they'll...).

I have to admit I'm worried about the judgment. Maybe I judge myself, I don't know. Do you know a few people that went the SOC8 route? I've read your experience WheelyFixed. It great to see that you didn't have to explain yourself for years.

[sftineun]

Welcome to EA.

Speaking as a chemical eunuch who achieve my goals of lower libido, much atrophied genitals, non-functional testicles, I would suggest a few extra steps before deciding on castration.

1. Not sure about whether you're in a big city in Switzerland or not. I would try to find community / support groups for young gender non-conforming folks. It is especially helpful in establishing connections with others who are also searching for what gender identity I feel best and to speak with others who have gone through the journey. In that way, I got to know not just the pros but also cons of each option I choose before doing anything irreversible.

2. With or without a support group, I would also seek out a therapist with experience in gender identity. A professional therapist can help solidify our motivation and wishes.

3. The community group and therapist would give me the mental support as I go through my transformation. Once I feel pretty confident with the decision, I would start the chemical castration on an on-and-off basis. I myself went through this, taking anti-androgen for a month, getting to eunuch level T and trying to understand my own feelings about that state of being. It is not just lowered libido and loss of erections, but it is also emotional, fatigue and other side effects. Then I would take a couple of months break and let my body return to pre-castration state. In that way, I can compare what kind of life do I prefer.

After the break, when I felt ready, I got back on anti-androgen for a month or so, and then take another break. I assessed honestly to myself how and what I liked and disliked about the transition.

In the end, I decided I got myself chemically castrated but I decided not go forward with surgery. I felt best about myself in this state, even though at the beginning, I thought castration just mean removal of the testicles. Right now, I am happy with the tiny but still existent testicles.

Hope this helps.

[WheelyFixed]

Thanks for the welcoming replies.

I am from Switzerland, so I've checked and SoC8 should be fine. Theoretically endocrinologists can work on informed consent but some require a recommandation letter to justify for hormone treatment. The insurance asks for a diagnosis by therapist and might require additionnal information if they find it insufficient (I'm sure they'll...).

I have to admit I'm worried about the judgment. Maybe I judge myself, I don't know. Do you know a few people that went the SOC8 route? I've read your experience WheelyFixed. It great to see that you didn't have to explain yourself for years.

As mentioned many times, and you've read, I went through the SOCv8... One of the things that I think is a bit of a limitation on the SOC is that it is rather restrictive on paper about what it considers acceptable reasons... The supportive docs will work with you to accept and justify anything reasonably close, but what I still suggest is that while you absolutely don't want to lie about anything, it is worth giving considerable thought about HOW you answer their questions. I compare it to a job interview in that how you answer the questions is almost more important than the actual answer... I'd recommend reading at least the Mental Health and Eunuch chapters several times and the rest a time or two, and get a feel for the sort of questions they will be asking and how to answer them in a way that is honest but fits in with the answers they are looking for....

I think you also got some excellent advice from sftineun in an earlier post....

I will also make the comment that Androcur, which many of our non-US members have used for chemical castration but is not FDA approved, so not available here, seems to have a fairly large number of side effects that people have mentioned. I did my initial chemical castration with Lupron, and it seemed not to have had much of anything in the way of side effects. As such it might be a better choice if you get to pick your drug.... (A prostate cancer support Substack I follow has occasionally mentioned a newer, allegedly better drug that what I think has to be one of the most appropriate names in medical history "Firmagon" )

WheelyFixed

[T van Keel]

Hi,

I don't know what the situation is in Switzerland if the SoC8 is already in use. My experience from Germany is that male-to-eunuch and similar is recognised and supported by a growing group among gender therapists, but the health care providers move extremely slowly in terms of accepting new things. This caused that I had to pay for the surgery, albeit binary transgender surgery is covered. I'm not sure if SoC8 is now in use here.

Nevertheless, I eventually managed to get the necessary paperwork for my nullification.

I never tried out chemical castration and went directly to removing penis and testicles. This worked out well in my case as I am on testosterone replacement and never wanted to have no T or even switching to estrogen.

Feel free to ask if you have any questions.

TvK