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Sex and Violence

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:29 pm
by ChemistryKid (imported)
My ultimate fantasy has always been to lose my penis out of anger. I want someone to take it from me when I don't want to lose it as an emotional punishment for something.

I want to be in a bar room fight where I'm beating someone and he breaks a bottle and stabs it into my balls. I want to be trying to rape someone, but when I try to overpower her, she ruins me instead.

Maybe she's got a knife that I didn't notice. Maybe she just grabs my penis and breaks it against her palm, maybe she punchs it on the tip and cause it to crack in the middle. Maybe she's got a friend who sneaks up behind me and cuts off my balls.

I think big genitals are the best for cutting off. The more that is being lost, the more important the act of cutting becomes.

My penis is pretty big, but not as big as I would like. Maybe I could kidnap and tie up the boyfriend of a girl that I like because I see that his penis is bigger than mine. I'd overpower him and tie him up and then cut off his penis so that he'd be useless to her. Once he's ruined, I'd let him go, but instead of running away, the first thing he does when he's free is turn around and stab me in the penis with my own knife.

In other words, my fantasies are the sort of things that I want to stay fantasies. It can really never be fullfilled, because it is always involuntary. If I tried to make it happen, then it could never be my fantasy. And if my fantasy did happen, then I wouldn't be happy about it. It's a real no-win situation. But at least I can write about it.

Everything that I write is some sort of variation on the theme of involuntary emasculation by someone who really wants it to happen. Except for Piranha, which I just wrote because it's fun. Who wouldn't want his penis eaten by fish with big teeth?

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:48 pm
by A-1 (imported)
Sounds more like violence punishes sex than "sex and violence".

Usually there is GUILT of some type with this sort of association... perhaps you should explore why this association is so powerful with you...

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:12 pm
by ChemistryKid (imported)
That's an interesting thought, but I don't think I associate sex with guilt. If I did then I would probably associate all sex with penectomy or castration, and I wouldn't have to fantasize about rape to make it satisfying.

It is more like I associate rape with punishment, and that surely is evident in the stories that I've written. But I think that's a normal association. Isn't it?

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:02 pm
by ChemistryKid (imported)
I forgot to mention:

I often enjoy reading stories from the archive, but there are so many to choose from. Now that I've described my fantasies in this thread, I would greatly appreciate any suggestions about stories that would especially interest me.

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:35 pm
by n3rf (imported)
I suggest that You read "chastity belt stories" for a while since they provided me a lot of "exitements" before I found EA. Then being turned on by being "locked up" in a Chastity Belt will give You imense "exitements" without the "fantasies" You seemed to slide into. Then report to all EA how You felt being "locked up" down below with no key available and not sure when You will be let out. N3RF

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:04 am
by FianceeUvBigGuy (imported)
What's all this fuss about Sax and Violins? Don't you like music?

Oh....SEX and VIOLENCE?

Never mind.

Yolanda The Fine Arts Editor

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:40 am
by Kangan (imported)
I'm not into rape fantasy, but I do get off on situations where there is accidental or forced nudity, such as having to strip for a medical exam, or an accidental wardrobe malfunction. For example, I would enjoy being forced to strip naked in front of strangers (as was done on one episode of Fear Factor), or having my bathing suit come off in public (this also happened on Fear Factor). I do not want to create the situation - it must be spontaneous. In other words , I am not an exhibitionist or a flasher.

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:05 am
by Slammr (imported)
Kangan (imported) wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:40 am I'm not into rape fantasy, but I do get off on situations where there is accidental or forced nudity, such as having to strip for a medical exam, or an accidental wardrobe malfunction. For example, I would enjoy being forced to strip naked in front of strangers (as was done on one episode of Fear Factor), or having my bathing suit come off in public (this also happened on Fear Factor). I do not want to create the situation - it must be spontaneous. In other words , I am not an exhibitionist or a flasher.

Once at a pool party I was climbing up the ladder out of the pool when a girl I'd been flirting with in the pool grabbed my swim suit, pulling it down to my knees. It wasn't an accident. She did it deliberately. Everyone got a good look; but being an exhibitionist at heart, it didn't bother me. Hell, in college, I would go into the coed sauna naked, even if I were the only one naked in it. Of course, I wasn't the only guy that did. I probably wouldn't have had the nerve to do it, had I not seen others do it first. I was never into flashing.

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:19 am
by Slammr (imported)
Sex and violence are a big part of our culture. What sells like sex and violence? Look at the movies we go to see. It's hard to find any not about sex, violence, or about both sex and violence.

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:29 am
by ChemistryKid (imported)
Kangan (imported) wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:40 am I'm not into rape fantasy, but I do get off on situations where there is accidental or forced nudity, such as having to strip for a medical exam, or an accidental wardrobe malfunction. For example, I would enjoy being forced to strip naked in front of strangers (as was done on one episode of Fear Factor), or having my bathing suit come off in public (this also happened on Fear Factor).

That's a good one! I fantasize about that too. I included a little bit of that in Fence.

Also, that's a lot easier to make happen then you would think! I've actually done it. Ever had a sister? When I was young and really really excited about my penis, I started taking showers without locking the door, just creating the possibility that my sister might come in on me while I was naked.

Of course, she never actually did it while I was taking a shower because she could hear the water running and it was obvious that the bathroom was occupied, but once, after the shower had stopped and I was drying off, she opened the door (probably thinking that no one was in there). I looked at her, she looked at me, then I saw her eyes move down to my penis and I lost my nerve and frantically covered myself.

I didn't flash her; I just created a situation where the possibility existed of her catching me naked. How'd that do for fulfilling your fantasies? I bet it would work with any room mate.

I think she was suitably impressed with my rather large penis, because I had her trying to get other looks after that. If only I could have shown her my erection and given her something really amazing to see.

I've been trying to write a story for the archive based around that, but I still need an appropriate emasculation idea. Sister catches brother in the shower, is amazed by how much he's grown, then...

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:57 am
by Slammr (imported)
I have a sister a year younger than I am. Once, when a younger cousin, a boy, was spending the night, and we were home alone, we decided to show each other what we had, each of us coming into the room while the others sat on the floor. Wrapped only in a towel, I stood in front of them, and as if on a stage, I took the towel off and showed them what I had. My sister and cousin followed in turn.

I tried to get them to do it another time a couple of years later when I was thirteen. My sister agreed, but after I'd done my strip tease, my cousin refused to go through with it, so my sister backed out. She told me, after she'd seen me naked, "I have more hair than you."

Although I didn't get to see hers, I'd shaved my pubes a few weeks before, and they hadn't fully grown out. I had a full growth by then, actually.

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:09 am
by Slammr (imported)
I remember my first wet dream, which happened before I began masturbating. In it, I was sitting in class at school clad only in my white briefs, identical to the ones I ejaculated into that night. The emotion accompanying the dream was embarrassment. Everyone was looking at me. I've had the same -- or similar -- dream since, but not for years. I can't remember being naked in any of them. In each I had on nothing but white briefs, and in each I was the only one in class so clad; they were all fully dressed; and everyone stared at me.

But, I graduated from UC San Diego, which is on the bluffs above Black's Beach, a nude beach. After being seen naked by thousands, being caught naked had no such hold on my psyche.

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:22 pm
by A-1 (imported)
FianceeUvBigGuy (imported) wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:04 am What's all this fuss about Sax and Violins? Don't you like music?

Oh....SEX and VIOLENCE?

Never mind.

Yolanda The Fine Arts Editor

Sax and Violins...

We are just ' G stringing you along ' Saxy, huh?

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:27 pm
by A-1 (imported)
ChemistryKid (imported) wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:12 pm That's an interesting thought, but I don't think I associate sex with guilt. If I did then I would probably associate all sex with penectomy or castration, and I wouldn't have to fantasize about rape to make it satisfying.

Not necessarily. If you want to punish, it's rape. If you want to be punished, it's penectomy or castration. It is a violent form of subconscious justice, either way.
ChemistryKid (imported) wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:12 pm It is more like I associate rape with punishment, and that surely is evident in the stories that I've written. But I think that's a normal association. Isn't it?

No, not really. It is not about punishment regarding sex. It is about power and control over a victim. Penectomy and castration is about control over yourself or the threat which brings about control, in you or perhaps in another male.

You have to get over the Punishment-Guilt thing before it is satisfying and recognize that sex is normal but that violence in sex is not, not for ANY reason.

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:41 pm
by ChemistryKid (imported)
A-1 (imported) wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:27 pm It is not about punishment regarding sex. It is about power and control over a victim. Penectomy and castration is about control over yourself or the threat which brings about control, in you or perhaps in another male.

Wow, you are so right! I had never thought of it that way. My fantasies involving penectomy, castration, and rape, all three of them, come from the same source. They are all about violence and sex...I am not yet convinced that this is connected to guilt and sex, but perhaps.

Now that this is mentioned, I have also had a similar fantasy of a different sort. I imagine some sort of royal family, a king and queen and their children, all fighting over power. The rules say that you cannot rule the kingdom if you cannot produce an heir to the throne, not even if you have already produced several heirs. The reason for the rule becomes clear when the princes and princesses start fighting each other for power, and the next in line for power gets his balls cut off. You never know when you'll need a new heir.

My point is that this fantasy does not just involve castration and penectomy, it also involves a sort of female castration. I imagine that the female victims in this struggle would suffer a single knife wound to the belly, destroying their reproductive power, sex drive, and maybe even vagina (but otherwise nonfatal, so that they can suffer...I don't know if that's even possible, but fantasies rarely are.)
A-1 (imported) wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:27 pm You have to get over the Punishment-Guilt thing before it is satisfying and recognize that sex is normal but that violence in sex is not, not for ANY reason.

Well, that's not so insightful! I think I already knew that violence in sex is not normal. Somehow my parents managed to survive creating me, and I don't seriously think my girlfriend is ever going to attack me. Does anyone actually think that violence is expected in sex?

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:55 am
by Kangan (imported)
ChemistryKid (imported) wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:29 am That's a good one! I fantasize about that too. I included a little bit of that in Fence.

Also, that's a lot easier to make happen then you would think! I've actually done it. Ever had a sister? When I was young and really really excited about my penis, I started taking showers without locking the door, just creating the possibility that my sister might come in on me while I was naked.

I didn't flash her; I just created a situation where the possibility existed of her catching me naked. How'd that do for fulfilling your fantasies? I bet it would work with any room mate.

...

Unfortunately, I never had a sister so that kind of opportunity never existed for me.

In adult life, there were a few occasions when I could have made it possible for my mother-in-law to see me naked, but I never could quite get up the nerve to do it.

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:14 am
by Kangan (imported)
Slammr (imported) wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:05 am Once at a pool party I was climbing up the ladder out of the pool when a girl I'd been flirting with in the pool grabbed my swim suit, pulling it down to my knees. It wasn't an accident. She did it deliberately. Everyone got a good look; but being an exhibitionist at heart, it didn't bother me. Hell, in college, I would go into the coed sauna naked, even if I were the only one naked in it. Of course, I wasn't the only guy that did. I probably wouldn't have had the nerve to do it, had I not seen others do it first. I was never into flashing.

I had a similar experience at a pool party once. Both myself and my best friend were wearing rather tight fitting swim suits (his was a Speedo). I got grabbed by one of the girls although she didn't pull my trunks down or anything. Later on that same night, my friend and I were dressed and fooling around with an Apple II computer (this was a long time ago) in one of the bedrooms of the house, when this same girl walked in and said to me, "I've never seen a man...." I looked at her with interest and so did my buddy. "Uh... do you mean you want to see every part of a man?" She nodded affirmatively. "I just turned 18 and I've only seen a few pictures...."

Both of us were ready to help her out, but the house was full of people and there was no way to lock the door to the room, so we finally decided not to do it on the spot. She was really insistant, but as luck would have it, neither my friend nor I had enough money for a motel room. I was newly married and my friend still lived with his parents so there was no way we could take her to one of our houses. What a lost opportunity.

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:56 am
by ChemistryKid (imported)
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Kangan (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:14 am his same girl walked in and said to me, "I've never seen a man...." I looked at her with interest and so did my buddy. "Uh... do you mean you want to see every part of a man?" She nodded affirmatively. "I just turned 18 and I've only seen a few pictures...."

Both of us were ready to help her out, but the house was full of people and there was no way to lock the door to the room, so we finally decided not to do it on the spot. She was really insistant, but as luck would have it, neither my friend nor I had enough money for a motel room. I was newly married and my friend still lived with his parents so there was no way we could take her to one of our houses. What a lost opportunity.

Wow, that's a really strange story! What sort of house has no private places at all? Even if the bathrooms do not lock, I'm sure they would have been safe enough places to do the job. To lose an opportunity like that over the lack of a single private little spot is such a waste.

You could have even gone behind the bushes; you didn't need a motel room. If you were willing to go to a motel except for a lack of money, then surely surely there must have been some sort of privacy available within the same distance, a little bit of wilderness, or a large rock to hide behind.

Perhaps you didn't really have the nerve for that, either?

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:36 pm
by A-1 (imported)
ChemistryKid (imported) wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:41 pm Wow, you are so right! I had never thought of it that way. My fantasies involving penectomy, castration, and rape, all three of them, come from the same source. They are all about violence and sex...I am not yet convinced that this is connected to guilt and sex, but perhaps.

Now that this is mentioned, I have also had a similar fantasy of a different sort. I imagine some sort of royal family, a king and queen and their children, all fighting over power. The rules say that you cannot rule the kingdom if you cannot produce an heir to the throne, not even if you have already produced several heirs. The reason for the rule becomes clear when the princes and princesses start fighting each other for power, and the next in line for power gets his balls cut off. You never know when you'll need a new heir.

My point is that this fantasy does not just involve castration and penectomy, it also involves a sort of female castration. I imagine that the female victims in this struggle would suffer a single knife wound to the belly, destroying their reproductive power, sex drive, and maybe even vagina (but otherwise nonfatal, so that they can suffer...I don't know if that's even possible, but fantasies rarely are.)

Well, that's not so insightful! I think I already knew that violence in sex is not normal. Somehow my parents managed to survive creating me, and I don't seriously think my girlfriend is ever going to attack me. Does anyone actually think that violence is expected in sex?

They are called Masochists. Yes, they do exist, and yes, the violence seems to intensify their orgasms.

For a Sadist, the violence is also stimulating, but more than that, the control issue is an underlying theme.

For a trip into this world through fiction (but maybe not, at least not completely) I recommend that you read "The Story of O" by Pauline Reage

Of course, not all bondage and submission scenarios are ones that are recognized as such.

Witness Howard Stern tickling Carmen Electra. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY_s41yFh40)

Perception of sexuality is not always detected. Sometimes sexual connotations are apparent, and sometimes they are not and sometimes they exist only in the eyes of the 3rd party witness. Some see tickling as an innocent activity. It is sometimes 'foreplay', but is it always? Sometimes even nudity has NO sexual connotations. This is a stretch for most people, however. You Mileage may vary with this, also.

You decide.

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:57 pm
by ChemistryKid (imported)
A-1 (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:36 pm They are called Masochists. Yes, they do exist, and yes, the violence seems to intensify their orgasms.

For a Sadist, the violence is also stimulating, but more than that, the control issue is an underlying theme.

Despite the nature of my fantasies, I don't think that I am a sadist or even a masochist. It is one thing to fantasize about something and another thing to actually do it, and in my experience the fantasy of a thing can have the exact opposite emotional effect as the reality of that same thing. The pain, the blood, and the danger of death would be a serious inhibition to my enjoying such a thing in reality.

Even as I say that I find it hard to entirely believe, though. The thought of actually risking my penis in some sort of dangerous game or fight is just so very exciting. I cannot say for sure that I would avoid such a thing even if it were offered to me in reality and not mere fantasy. The actual loss would be horrible in reality, but the danger would be fantastic in reality.

The thought that someone might sneak up behind me during sex and grab my balls from behind is extremely exciting. I like to think about how vulnerable they are, that anyone could reach between my legs from behind, where I cannot see it coming, and then do anything to my balls.

I suppose I love the possibility in reality, but I only love the consequences in fantasy.

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:30 am
by Kangan (imported)
ChemistryKid (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:56 am Wow, that's a really strange story! What sort of house has no private places at all? Even if the bathrooms do not lock, I'm sure they would have been safe enough places to do the job. To lose an opportunity like that over the lack of a single private little spot is such a waste.

You could have even gone behind the bushes; you didn't need a motel room. If you were willing to go to a motel except for a lack of money, then surely surely there must have been some sort of privacy available within the same distance, a little bit of wilderness, or a large rock to hide behind.

Perhaps you didn't really have the nerve for that, either?

This was a graduation party and there were a lot of people (and their parents) walking in and out - no real privacy under the circumstances. Outside in the bushes was never an option for the same reason.

The main factor was that I was well known to the family that owned the house and I didn't want to cause either them or myself any embarrassment if someone had caught us.

Since she was leaving for college the next day, there just wasn't any time to arrange a nice private showing. [sigh]

I did have an interesting experience once with a young male acquaintance. Our friendship was quite platonic until the day when he asked me to take him to the local wave pool. It turned out that his true motive was to see me naked while changing into my bathing suit.

Re: Sex and Violence

Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:36 pm
by ChemistryKid (imported)
Kangan (imported) wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:30 am Our friendship was quite platonic until the day when he asked me to take him to the local wave pool. It turned out that his true motive was to see me naked while changing into my bathing suit.

I'm curious now. How did you realize what his true motive was? Did he tell you? I suppose he must have, because otherwise you could never really know. What I really want to know is why he would tell you that. He must have been really pushing hard to take your relationship to a sexual place if he came out and admitted that.