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Posted: **Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:00 pm**

As most of you know, I have been wanting a surgical castration for some time, but have not found what I deem to be a suitable doctor.

So frustration is the order of the day (and week and month and year and decade) as this has been my situation for nearly 33 years....

I've explored all the various DIY options. I don't want to do any cutting, and I don't want any outward disfigurement (damaged or missing scrotum) or a nasty embarrassing trip to an Emergency Room. That doesn't leave very much choice, does it?

Well, the other day, I had had enough, so I got out the woodworking clamp that I had purchased a while back, and crunched the cord to my right testicle Burdizzo style. I am missing a goodly section of the vas deferens thanks to an old vasectomy, so the only thing left to squash are the veins and arteries which are pretty flexible and squishy.

The clamp has firm but rubbery plastic tips that are flat and rectangular. I was able to squeeze the entire cord nicely. The clamp has a sliding mechanism that maintains the pressure without the operator having to hold the handle, but is quick release like a vise-grip pliers. Since the clamp body itself is lightweight plastic, you can apply it easily with one hand on the cords and the other on the clamp. I did the right side as an experiment so that I can compare any atrophy of the right testicle with the left one. Also, I am right-handed so doing the right side was easier.

To make the scrotum relax, I did the experiment while underwater in my hot tub. There was very little pain - just a somewhat unpleasant squeezing sensation. I applied and released the clamp several times while trying to find the best location so as to crush the entire cord. I did feel something "pop" at one point, but I am patiently waiting to see if any atrophy occurs. The testicle now seems to have a different feel to it and hangs a bit lower, but I am not certain if this is just wishful thinking....

I'll keep you up to date if anything happens, or I decide to repeat this experiment.

Don't try this if you have an intact vas deferens. That is one tough little rubbery tube, so crushing it is difficult at best. (I got to examine mine after I had the vasectomy.)

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:42 pm**

48-hours later: Some very minor residual pain in the right groin. Right testicle seems a bit smaller but still has some feeling. Probably didn't apply enough pressure or hold it long enough. [sigh] I've got lots of patience so I will wait 2 weeks before trying again.

Posted: **Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:39 am**

Good luck with it. DIY is the purest form of body modification, in my opinion. Dangerous as all hell, but definitely hardcore. Succeed or fail, you'll still get A for style.

Posted: **Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:28 pm**

Wow, Kangan, that's hardcore. Is the procedure you describe safe? Well, hope things go well for you. Be careful.

Posted: **Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:33 pm**

Kangan,

If you significantly damaged the testicle it would probably be extremely swollen right now. But to really know if it's still functioning, you'll need to get your testosterone levels checked.

Posted: **Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:53 pm**

Yes, do be careful.

Posted: **Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:49 am**

I'm trying to do this scientifically, and not act from emotion. So the clinical trial is proceeding.... Right now I am waiting to see if there are any obvious changes in the affected testicle.

Checking testosterone levels probably wouldn't help much as I still have one undamaged testicle.

If I did manage to shut off the blood supply, then there would not be any swelling - quite the opposite. That testicle does seem to be a bit smaller and firmer, but it could just be my imagination. I'm waiting 2-weeks to see if there has been any change.

Stay tuned....

Posted: **Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:58 pm**

Kangan (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:49 am I'm trying to do this scientifically, and not act from emotion. So the clinical trial is proceeding.... Right now I am waiting to see if there are any obvious changes in the affected testicle.

Checking testosterone levels probably wouldn't help much as I still have one undamaged testicle.

If I did manage to shut off the blood supply, then there would not be any swelling - quite the opposite. That testicle does seem to be a bit smaller and firmer, but it could just be my imagination. I'm waiting 2-weeks to see if there has been any change.

Stay tuned....

Shutting down WILL affect T levels, be assured, despite all the crap about the other taking over, etc.

Posted: **Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:02 pm**

If I could say I was worried about this it would be an understatment as you are at risk of serious damage.Yes it might work but all the years being in here has taught me that seeking a doctor like Kemmal is the best way to go.I know how you feel as I was in your space not that long ago so all I can say is my prayers are with you and be safe if it is at all possable.

Posted: **Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:22 am**

sag111 (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:02 pm If I could say I was worried about this it would be an understatment as you are at risk of serious damage.Yes it might work but all the years being in here has taught me that seeking a doctor like Kemmal is the best way to go.I know how you feel as I was in your space not that long ago so all I can say is my prayers are with you and be safe if it is at all possable.

Thanks for your concern. Only effect so far is a little bit of undefined intermittant pain in the lower groin area above where I crunched the cord. The right testicle also feels a bit colder to the touch than the left which is undamaged. I am not convinced that I actually did any permanent damage. [sigh]

If it weren't for the risks of travel soon after surgery, I'd go to Kimmel or even Thailand.

Posted: **Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:28 am**

kristoff wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:58 pm Shutting down WILL affect T levels, be assured, despite all the crap about the other taking over, etc.

I haven't noticed any difference in my sex life at this point. In any event, I have no plans to go to my doctor and ask for a T test as I have no legitimate reason to ask for one. Besides, they would have to draw a bunch of blood and I hate getting stabbed in the arm.

Posted: **Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:18 am**

Kangan (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:28 am I haven't noticed any difference in my sex life at this point. In any event, I have no plans to go to my doctor and ask for a T test as I have no legitimate reason to ask for one. Besides, they would have to draw a bunch of blood and I hate getting stabbed in the arm.

You could order a saliva test kit from one of those "hormone profile" websites.

Costs about 30 $ and you get the results within a week. The test seems to be quite accurate, though it only measures free t levels. However, I agree that it may not mean that much since you have not measured your level before the "experiment". I do agree with K. that destroying one nut would most likely reduce your levels somewhat, particularly if it is the largest one that is damaged.

Posted: **Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:40 am**

Eunuchist (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:18 am I do agree with K. that destroying one nut would most likely reduce your levels somewhat, particularly if it is the largest one that is damaged.

My right nut (the one I am experimenting on) is the smaller of the two, since I damaged it 30 years with a banding attempt. I have noticed a decrease in libido, but that could be due to my fairly hectic schedule right now. If there is any shrinkage, time will tell.

Posted: **Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:07 am**

It has been about 10 days now since I clamped the right cord. Nothing seems to have been damaged although it is a bit soon to be sure.

I'm beginning to think that I need a Burdizzo-like clamp not a flat surfaced one. My goal was not to damage the skin of the scrotum, but to flatten the cord. I'm guessing that the pounds per square-inch pressure needed to permanently shut down the cord blood circulation will also produce surface damage to the scrotum. Balls! (Pun intended.)

Posted: **Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:51 am**

The pressure will certainly damage the scrotum (sometimes severely). The Burdizzo device has a double fulcrum which multiplies the force applied to the jaws. Of the many, many things I have tried each only produced minor damage, if any, often accompanied by quite dramatic pain. Do-it-yourself is a hit or miss proposition at best or a dangerous one at worst. --FLO--

Posted: **Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:58 am**

I'm surprised that no one has tried something I came up with that led my wife to seriously find me a surgeon. Since I have done some piercings on myself, I thought and still do that this would work with relative safety.

Items needed tor this are inexpensive. You need a piercing needle about 10ga. or larger. Dissolving sutcher that is tough and won't dissolve for about 2 weeks and a dull needle for the sutcher.

The plan: Clean and disinfect the scrotum with Bedadine or something similar. Make sure you sterilize the needles. Grab onto your testicle and pull it as far from your body as you can. Then with your free hand locate the cords and push them to the side and pinch your fingers on either side of the cord to hold it there. This would be easier with help, but is doable. If you had a clamp that could be used to hold the cord to the side, that would help. Take the piercing needle and push it through the scrotum skin next to where you are pinching and pass the sutcher through it and remove the needle leaving the sutcher passing through the holes. Make sure the sutcher does not pull through. Put a clamp on one end if you need to. With the piercing needle removed from the sutcher, thread the sutcher through your dull needle. Release the the cord so you can push the needle back through the hole the sutcher is coming out of, but on the opposite side of the cord and out the other hole. Now you have surrounded the cord and it can now be tied off. This is where you need a tough sutcher as you need to make it as tight around the cord as you can. You may want to go around the cord twice if you can. Once tied off and you don't want to change your mind, cut off the excess sutcher. Put some neosporin on the holes and put a band aid on them. Make sure when doing this that you don't hit a vain in the scrotum skin. They are easy to avoid. To stop the bleeding you can use a little pressure and or a septic stick might help. If you have a hot iron or soldering gun, you could cauterize it. Ouch. You can then do the other side or wait to see the outcome of the first side. This is not a tried and true method, just something I came up with that is simple and not very painful. After the initial poke of the piercing needle there shouldn't be much pain at all. Just keep everything very clean and there should be no problems. This will result in the same outcome as a burdizzo without the trauma and will work the first time.

My disclaimer: I have not tried this and I don't know anyone that has. It just makes sense to me. If you try this, it is purely your choice. This is just an idea I had and you can take it for whatever it's worth. If you end up in the ER, tell them some boy scout tied them off because you didn't want help crossing the street and you can't identify him because they all dress alike.

Do they still have boy scouts? What ever you do be careful. I would rather you find a surgeon and do it right. It really isn't that big a deal. Quit trying to crush them, it does more harm than good.

Posted: **Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:21 am**

Hairless (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:58 am I'm surprised that no one has tried something I came up with that led my wife to seriously find me a surgeon. Since I have done some piercings on myself, I thought and still do that this would work with relative safety.

Items needed tor this are inexpensive. You need a piercing needle about 10ga. or larger. Dissolving sutcher that is tough and won't dissolve for about 2 weeks and a dull needle for the sutcher.

The plan: Clean and disinfect the scrotum with Bedadine or something similar. Make sure you sterilize the needles. Grab onto your testicle and pull it as far from your body as you can. Then with your free hand locate the cords and push them to the side and pinch your fingers on either side of the cord to hold it there. This would be easier with help, but is doable. If you had a clamp that could be used to hold the cord to the side, that would help. Take the piercing needle and push it through the scrotum skin next to where you are pinching and pass the sutcher through it and remove the needle leaving the sutcher passing through the holes. Make sure the sutcher does not pull through. Put a clamp on one end if you need to. With the piercing needle removed from the sutcher, thread the sutcher through your dull needle. Release the the cord so you can push the needle back through the hole the sutcher is coming out of, but on the opposite side of the cord and out the other hole. Now you have surrounded the cord and it can now be tied off. This is where you need a tough sutcher as you need to make it as tight around the cord as you can. You may want to go around the cord twice if you can. Once tied off and you don't want to change your mind, cut off the excess sutcher. Put some neosporin on the holes and put a band aid on them. Make sure when doing this that you don't hit a vain in the scrotum skin. They are easy to avoid. To stop the bleeding you can use a little pressure and or a septic stick might help. If you have a hot iron or soldering gun, you could cauterize it. Ouch. You can then do the other side or wait to see the outcome of the first side. This is not a tried and true method, just something I came up with that is simple and not very painful. After the initial poke of the piercing needle there shouldn't be much pain at all. Just keep everything very clean and there should be no problems. This will result in the same outcome as a burdizzo without the trauma and will work the first time.

My disclaimer: I have not tried this and I don't know anyone that has. It just makes sense to me. If you try this, it is purely your choice. This is just an idea I had and you can take it for whatever it's worth. If you end up in the ER, tell them some boy scout tied them off because you didn't want help crossing the street and you can't identify him because they all dress alike. Do they still have boy scouts? What ever you do be careful. I would rather you find a surgeon and do it right. It really isn't that big a deal. Quit trying to crush them, it does more harm than good.

I would suggest that anyone who actually tries this could easily be regarded as an idiot. I think that summarizes my thoughts quite simply.

Posted: **Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:34 pm**

I know who has tried a very similar method. The results were not as he expected. By the way, the testicles were undamaged. --FLO--

Posted: **Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:55 pm**

Most people that do the DIY method don't have the guts to do it right. So they shouldn't even try. Like I said, find a surgeon. It is doable. It just costs money. You guys make too much out of getting castrated. It seems like there is a lot of talk and no do around here. If someone does something, it's usually stupid. Pay the price for the travel, surgeon and whatever motel time you need to heal in the vacenity of the surgeon, in case he is needed. A week is more than enough. Your looking at $4000-$5000 tops for Kimmel and $8000 for Alter. Dr. Reed in Florida might be an option also. On his site he shows a guy that he castrated and removed his scrotum. Get the two shrink letters and go on a castration vacation. If there is a will, there is a way.

Posted: **Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:36 pm**

Hairless (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:55 pm Most people that do the DIY method don't have the guts to do it right. So they shouldn't even try. Like I said, find a surgeon. It is doable. It just costs money. You guys make too much out of getting castrated. It seems like there is a lot of talk and no do around here. If someone does something, it's usually stupid. Pay the price for the travel, surgeon and whatever motel time you need to heal in the vacenity of the surgeon, in case he is needed. A week is more than enough. Your looking at $4000-$5000 tops for Kimmel and $8000 for Alter. Dr. Reed in Florida might be an option also. On his site he shows a guy that he castrated and removed his scrotum. Get the two shrink letters and go on a castration vacation. If there is a will, there is a way.

Thanks, Hairless. Your advice has been duly noted. I wish that it was that simple... but you are quite correct. I'm an idiot.

Posted: **Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:40 am**

Hairless (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:55 pm Most people that do the DIY method don't have the guts to do it right. So they shouldn't even try. Like I said, find a surgeon. It is doable. It just costs money. You guys make too much out of getting castrated. It seems like there is a lot of talk and no do around here. If someone does something, it's usually stupid. Pay the price for the travel, surgeon and whatever motel time you need to heal in the vacenity of the surgeon, in case he is needed. A week is more than enough. Your looking at $4000-$5000 tops for Kimmel and $8000 for Alter. Dr. Reed in Florida might be an option also. On his site he shows a guy that he castrated and removed his scrotum. Get the two shrink letters and go on a castration vacation. If there is a will, there is a way.

And don't forget Dr Bowers in Colorado! She has probably removed more testicles then anyone and is the only one who has had it done herself.

Posted: **Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:18 pm**

Nope I wont let you say that about yourself you are not an idiot someone who is learning yes idiot no.

Posted: **Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:42 am**

sag111 (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:18 pm Nope I wont let you say that about yourself you are not an idiot someone who is learning yes idiot no.

Bless you, Sag. Thanks for the kind words.

As an update, I think my clamping worked. My right testicle seems to be shrinking. I'm going to wait a few more weeks to be sure. Then I will do the left side. I don't have a proper Burdizzo or Emasculatome, I'm using a wood working clamp. With no sperm ducts in the way, you can easily clamp the blood vessels without breaking the skin of the scrotum. However, if this doesn't produce a permanent result, I'll try either a Burdizzo or surgery next.

My advice to you banding and Burdizzo users -- go have a vasectomy. Now you can clamp the arteries without having to crush the vas deferens.

Make sure that the doctor removes a goodly section of each vas, at least a centimeter. Tell him that you are not wanting any children ever - i.e. no reversal surgery in your future. As a fringe benefit, vasectomy will give a feel for what an orchiectomy is like. Enjoy!

Posted: **Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:46 am**

Not wanting to let my own feelings interfere with my scientific experiment in bloodless castration, I asked someone who is intimately familiar with my body to check my testicles. After a thorough manual examination, my wife said that she detected a change in the right testicle, namely, that it felt smaller and firmer, consistent with a reduced blood supply.

I have been unable to locate a pulse in the right spermatic artery. Also the right eplidymus seems to have shrunk and the testicle tends to hang lower than the left. I haven't had much pain, but I do notice some slight discomfort in my right groin at times. So it looks like I am on my way to my goal of becoming an eunuch.

I'm going to wait an additional 2-weeks or so to see if the shrinkage continues. If not, I will reapply the clamp to the right cord and try again. However, if I am convinced that the right testicle is dead, then the clamp will be applied to the left cord, and my journey should be over.

To be continued....

Posted: **Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:17 pm**

Hairless (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:55 pm Most people that do the DIY method don't have the guts to do it right. So they shouldn't even try. Like I said, find a surgeon. It is doable. It just costs money. You guys make too much out of getting castrated. It seems like there is a lot of talk and no do around here. If someone does something, it's usually stupid. Pay the price for the travel, surgeon and whatever motel time you need to heal in the vacenity of the surgeon, in case he is needed. A week is more than enough. Your looking at $4000-$5000 tops for Kimmel and $8000 for Alter. Dr. Reed in Florida might be an option also. On his site he shows a guy that he castrated and removed his scrotum. Get the two shrink letters and go on a castration vacation. If there is a will, there is a way.

For me $4,000 is a fortune and $8,000 seems like the national debt. I'm willing though there doesn't seem any way.

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