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Ive had too many people contact me on yahoo thinking this is a good idea. Its not. Im removing the detailed info to help discourage this. Summery is i got really stupid and injected my balls with neutersol. It was very painful for 12 hours. My normal teste pain stayed away for 2 weeks, but it has returned. Do not do this, it was a really stupid idea. My research gave the impression that it is safe, its not. If i could change the thread title, i wold now call it DONT DO THIS!

Anyone want a nutered rat?

My cats love to eat them for breakfast, lunch, and after dinner snacks.

If there really is such a thing as Neutersol, you have earned my respect. Anyone else care to comment on the reality of this substance?

Forgetting the anesthetic seems to be a common failing among sefl castrated eunuchs. Take heed and learn.

http://www.acc-d.org/ACCD%20docs/Neuter ... e%20Insert

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys ... 5-vol1.pdf

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/2 ... 01221.html

simple to make, but it was unpopular.

fyi...

http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/do ... 010674.jpg

I am aware there is a bunch of BS posts here but I assure you this one is factual.

Please pardon my scepticism, but it does sound like something from the fantasy story archive. If it really exists and works as you indicate, it would be the Holy Grail of the Eunuch world.

When can we get it over the counter?:D

I wouldn't say it is, it's only is effictive to reduce T by 50%, far short of many wannabe's goals, and doesn't remove the balls. Its use is to reduce T and cause sterility, the 1st being my goal and the later already done some time ago..

It is having one marked effect, the deformation on my really bad side is shrinking fast, and for the first time in years and years, it doesn't hurt anymore. Ive been injecting lidocaine solution into my sack every 2-3 weeks to numb this, that may no longer be necessary.. If things go right, i may be free of my pain forever... Even if it has no effect on my T levels that one fact will make it worth it.

It is easy to make, and i have no plans to sell it as i would be professionally liable of its miss-use due to my education. There is also a patent out on it, and i am not licensed to manufacture pharmaceuticals. The clinical information has the formula, and the time to research how to make it will serve as a buffer to anyone who will use this when they shouldn't. There is no human clinical information, and while i doubt I am the first, its long term effects in humans have not been researched.

The stories in the archive exaggerate its effects, as fiction tends to do..

BTW, i just reviewed the "diary" in the stories archive and its very obviously fiction. The solution is clear, not milky, and there is no mention of the pain, which i very much experienced, and his fictional vet recommended multiple doses, which is contraindicated by the clinical info, and it dissolved his balls entirely which this product does not do.

DonFL (imported) wrote: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:26 am it's only is effictive to reduce T by 50%, far short of many wannabe's goals, and doesn't remove the balls. Its use is to reduce T and cause sterility.

These are significant points!

1) Neutersol produces irreversible sterility by damaging the internal structure of the testicles,

2) Neutersol only REDUCES, but does not stop the production of testosterone, and

3) Neutersol leaves the external structure of the testicles intact - they do NOT disappear.

As Mismatched also notes, the Story Board on the archive is FICTION. Nothing on it should ever be taken as fact. Much of it is actually directly contrary to fact.

dam it! noy you tell me! I guess im not supposed to lick myself either! lol...

You can continue to lick yourself, but you must be discrete. --FLO--

Gee, thanks for that visual! LOL

48 hour report:

marked decrease in size of the abnormality of my left teste, pain from it is almost gone. The pain from the neutersol is different, and it is also almost gone. When i bump them i can feel it, but otherwise its ok. No size difference in the normal side. For about 30 hours after injection i had constant seminal fluid leaking, which stopped last night. Erectile and orgasm function good, actually better without the constant pain or numbing of my nerves from lidocaine.

Im also on depo provera 150mg 1x weekly, fincar 5mg 1x day, spiro 100 2x day and 1.25mg estrogen 1x day, my interest in sex is nill. 2 weeks ago i was seeking release 5 times a day or more and had consent pripism, the taper-off in sex drive was very noticeable. During my first treatment regimen i felt hot flashes, depression and lack of energy during the commencement of anti-androgen therapy, i have not observed any of these effects, possibly due to the estrogen.

6 days

Well, almost 6 day. No pain....! The abnormality on my left side is, for a lack of a better term, dissolved. There is a indention on my teste where it used to be. I called my urologist to talk to him about this, and after getting a lecture, he was most fascinated with the pain reduction and the growth going away. I go in tomorrow for a sonogram, that is always an interesting experience... lol... Im letting my depo-provera run out, and Ill cut all other anti-androgen in a few more weeks. Ill let my body find its new normal and then ill go for a round of tests at my endo doctor...

My urologist promised that he wont have guys with a white coat waiting for me.. lol...

Update

The world was almost short one urologist today...

After my examination & sonogram, he proceeds to tell me my self treatment seems to have destroyed the growth that was causing me the most trouble, and my other ball that also received the treatment is not something he can compare in his practice, the internal structure seems to be significantly reduced. He then proceeded to lecture me on the fact that i should have continued to seek mainstream treatment, and that since i had gone to such extremes to rid myself of the effects of my hormone problem & pain, that an orchiectomy may have been a proper treatment for me. You know how they say men are supposed to be calm and docile without T? Bull shit. After being told that i had such a surge of anger that he is VERY lucky that nothing solid was in easy reach of me, or you might be reading about me in the paper for having beat the crap out of him...

6 days

DonFL (imported) wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:08 am Update

The world was almost short one urologist today...

After my examination & sonogram, he proceeds to tell me my self treatment seems to have destroyed the growth that was causing me the most trouble, and my other ball that also received the treatment is not something he can compare in his practice, the internal structure seems to be significantly reduced. He then proceeded to lecture me on the fact that i should have continued to seek mainstream treatment, and that since i had gone to such extremes to rid myself of the effects of my hormone problem & pain, that an orchiectomy may have been a proper treatment for me. You know how they say men are supposed to be calm and docile without T? Bull shit. After being told that i had such a surge of anger that he is VERY lucky that nothing solid was in easy reach of me, or you might be reading about me in the paper for having beat the crap out of him...

Now he tells you that an orchiectomy is the best way to go -- That doctor sure has lots of balls! (pun intended) I'll hold him down, and you can hit him (or kick him or whatever...).

It sounds to me as if the urologist was mostly upset over potential loss of income. You won't be needing him nearly as much now.

This is probably a good time to remind readers of this thread that

JesusA wrote: Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:30 am 1) Neutersol produces irreversible sterility by damaging the internal structure of the testicles,

2) Neutersol only REDUCES, but does not stop the production of testosterone, and

3) Neutersol leaves the external structure of the testicles intact - they do NOT disappear.

Depending on how much T you want in your system, you may have no need for HRT. (Again, a loss for your urologist.) You will definitely be on the low side, but probably with enough to ward off hot flashes and osteoporosis. (You will still need to get it checked in a few months and decide if you want more.) You will still look intact in the showers at your local gym. For your particular (and rare) situation, you seem to have found an excellent solution.

Keep us posted as you find out how well this works for you.

yep, jesus, you are correct on all points.

I have learned to live with low T, i seem to do better without it. The time I've spent since last year with full function has been hell, i was on anti-androgen treatment for years to ward off hormone induced bi-polar. I'm going to wait to come off of them again till September, just to make sure the physical structure is 100% stable before testosterone induced growth hits. also, as crappy and screwed up as i feel when I'm hit with my full dose of T, I really don't want to feel it again for a while...

Now here is a possible problem. Since the growth was theorized as the source of my excess T, now its gone, AND the fact I nailed both of my testes with neutersol, I might end up producing a significantly lower amount of T than I used to. I will find out later this year when i stop antiandrogens, i guess.

a few more notes

Last Monday and tues, i felt a rapid reduction of energy, I slept 16 hours a day for the 1st 3 days this week. This may be because I'm on anti-androgen and the death of many of my Leydig cells in my testes lowering my T too rapidly, I definitely wasn't on this course of meds long enough to completely lower my T to castrate levels.. This stopped Thursday. I had blood tests done today and Monday ill find out what my metabolic/hormone panel is.

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DonFL (imported) wrote: Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:42 am to ward off hormone induced bi-polar.

I am very curious. What do you mean by that exactly?? I have been diagnosed bipolar, but really my main symptom has to do with massive increases in sex drive that last for 4-6 weeks and tends to happen a few times a year. At this point in my life, I'm just dealing with it when it happens. Understanding why it happens is better than nothing. I'm not on anything.

for me its a rather complex issue. It is best explained in my introduction.

http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=11419

Yes, i have similar symptoms, and I also have extreme rage when unregulated. Im a bit better now after long term anti-androgen therapy, my emotional state has stabilized even with elevated T in my system, but what drove me back to anti-androgens is i felt my emotional control slipping. Since i am a large and very strong guy, this is dangerous for the people around me and myself. Unregulated, my hormones are cyclonic, I can be sleeping 20 hours a day one week, then running manic the next week, normally on a 3 week cycle.

DonFL (imported) wrote: Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:01 am for me its a rather complex issue. It is best explained in my introduction.

http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=11419

Yes, i have similar symptoms, and I also have extreme rage when unregulated. Im a bit better now after long term anti-androgen therapy, my emotional state has stabilized even with elevated T in my system, but what drove me back to anti-androgens is i felt my emotional control slipping. Since i am a large and very strong guy, this is dangerous for the people around me and myself. Unregulated, my hormones are cyclonic, I can be sleeping 20 hours a day one week, then running manic the next week, normally on a 3 week cycle.

How can you be certain that this is hormonally induced? What you describe is a deprivation approach - the absence of something does not necessarily prove the presence of something other, particularly with things such as this. You are gaining some of the benefits ascribed to castration/androgen-deprivation, but not necessarily a direct control of manic behavior. Quite frankly, in all my experience in dealing with bi-polar issues and patients, I have never heard of a hormonally induced manic episode. (Not only have I dealt with this extensively in past as a now recovering pshrink, I am also diagnosed bipolar, as well.) I am receptive to the notion of this, but I would like to understand it beyond an anecdotal approach. You seem highly cognizant of scientific approaches - teach me / show me, please.

my psychiatrist had blood tests done to build a history. During my manic periods i was always extremely high, during my lows it was always very low. We had tests done over a period of 6 months, enough to build evidence. Sense i was on depot-provera, my tests started normalizing low after about 3 months and at the same time, I a more stable emotional self. The theory of hormone induced bi-polar is the best theory i have yet to get, and it makes sense. The cyclonic nature is caused by the bodies reaction to high T, just like a body builder who takes big doses of T, once the body is bathed in excess hormones the testes shutdown till its normalized again. Mine tend to take a while to start up again, and i wind up with low T for a while. The difference between high and low was as much as 1200ng/dl. The constant roller coaster is what hurts me the worst, I learned to live, and even enjoy, living with low T, so that is the state i prefer. Without the constant roller-coaster, i can control my emotions, I don't feel such a urge to be violent, and flatly, i can keep from going crazy....

In females hormone induced depression is well documented, but male hormonal depression is just starting to be documented, crap, "male menopause" is just starting to be researched... This is one place the fairer sex has better medical care, much more is known about their systems than ours..

My psychiatrist had just one other patient who had a similar experience, a HRT patient who got massive depot-testosterone from a doctor who didn't know what he was doing once a month. The constant cycles would send him though a loop too. His solution was to have smaller weekly injections. I met him and his experiences with the "cycle" were strikingly familiar, i just wish my problem was as easy to treat and as accepted by the medical community as his was...

Again, the diagnosis was a theory, a theory supported with tests, and a theory by a doctor with many years of experience. I also have had some pretty fucked up stuff happen to me when i was a preteen and teenager that I cut out of my intro, it was too personal & painful to spill over a public board, and that is a aggravating factor admittedly, but the hormones being out of whack is what seems to send me over the edge.

News:

T test is very low, 41 ng/dl. I wasn't on the anti-androgens long enough to plunge it down to this level, so the treatment is deemable effictive IMHO.

The rats have been purchased by a local pet shop, who loves the idea of neutered rats, for 3x the amount i bought them for... lol...

2 weeks..

involuntary erections gone, night time erections gone. I still get a erection when i think about it for a while. I haven't felt the need all week, i did it last night just to check function. It took about an hour to have release. I have received a couple of caverject pens just in case i want to have a erection for a long period of time, I'm in a situation that that might become desirable.. I am still interested in sex, but manual stimulation is becoming less and less of a attraction. I like sex primarily for the physical closeness, so that may be why. ive never had my T this low that i know of, and its having some psychological effects.

Im noticing people by how they present themselves more than their physical attributes, im noticing details in many of my coworkers faces ive never paid much attention to, that is the most noticeable change.

My long term memory is frightenly clear, short term seems to be suffering a bit. I can play back events from my childhood in crystal clarity in my mind, some i would rather not. Its very odd that I can recall early childhood events clearer than things that happened a few months ago...

My weight loss is a bit slower already, but ive still managed 2 pounds this week. I plan on stepping up cardio, and maintaining my upper body strength via weight training.

I stopped spirotone, i don't like its skin drying effects. I dont think it will change my T level much at this point, the depo-provera, the fincar, and the small dose of estrogen should do nicely. I have 1 more depo shot left in stock, I miss counted, I accidentally counted my empty boxes last time, so i will be discontinuing it sooner than September.

Orchialgia is returning, i guess the nerves were just stunned. Had another sonogram and a nerve block done by my urologist today. He mentioned there is medical justification for bi-lateral orchiectomy due to what i did, as if everything else wrong wasn't enough. Now that is is a real possibility, im hesitant, I don't know why. I wish my old psychiatrist was alive, i still haven't been able to find anyone who i can talk to.

im over the shock, im having the surgery. At his point, i have nothing to loose. Appointment was made today, it will be done on Aug 31st, giving me 9 days time to recoup, by using 5 vacation days + 2 weekends.

Well, you know, to be blunt, I for one am at least glad you're still alive and didn't kill yourself with this little adventure! (Remember Scottie, anyone?!)

Do keep us posted and good luck.

After reading his story, i was surprised you didn't lock my thread. Its one of the reasons i removed the research info, i cant recommend this method, im glad the product is off the market, it isnt safe for any of gods creatures. I cant help but to think of all those poor animals who cant tell us this hurts, a lot. While this has enabled the doctor to do what i really wanted. Even though i use a vastly different chemical compound, It could have been tragic if i didn't know the proper procedures like Scottie, and i do not want to be responsible for anyone using this, its too dangerous. Even with all my training, education, and research, i didn't get what i wanted, and could have hurt myself badly.

Bad things that can happen with this boys:

If the dosage isnt exact, you will kill your prostate and never orgasm again.

If the mix is slightly week, you go though pain for nothing

If its too strong, your never going to have an erection again and your never orgasm again.

if the purity is off, you can introduce a hostile element to your body with unpredictable effects.

If the sterilization didn't complete, you will get an infection that can kill you. Please note i have access to a gamma-ray sterilizer, and still had a 24 hour rating when i tested it on the counter. That means germs were present and could become dangerous in 24 hours. And that's on a million dollar machine.

If a germ rides the needle into your tests you can get an infection that can kill you.

If your injection is a little off, your hands shake, you will widen the hole and cause this stuff to leak. It will painfully eat a hole in your sack.

Did i mention the intense pain?

All's well that ends well. Looks like you are nearing the end of your journey. good luck. Please keep us posted.

Injecting chemicals, using veterinary tools, and DIY surgery all have their risks. At least you didn't become a candidate for the Darwin award.