Results of Caster Semenya's Sex Tests - Not a he or a she

[Hash (imported)]

How should we feel? I'm not clapping my hands or saying, "I told you so," I feel for her/him. She's a minority sex, what everyone thought was true, is true. She looked male and has male testes:

The Herald said extensive physical examinations of 18-year-old Semenya ordered by the IAAF have shown she is technically a hermaphrodite.

Medical reports indicate she has no ovaries, but rather has internal male testes, which are producing large amounts of testosterone.

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/10 ... ?GT1=39002

[Dave (imported)]

I just posted another story about this on the "non-fiction" moderated forum.

It seems the lady is not really a lady like any other ladies.

[jemagirl (imported)]

The real problem is not Caster Semenya's sex, but the cultural paradigm that only allows for the athletic contribution of two sexes and two genders.

Very sad for her

[streetglide (imported)]

Just like that episode of House, when the good doctor told the young lady, "You''ll be just fine as soon a we cut off your balls."

Well, that was the general gist of it...I can't remember exactly! It was along time ago.

[Ernie of Maine (imported)]

This is a difficult situation for all. She has an unfair advantage over a female however she not able to compete with males vary sad. Ernie

[crankshaft (imported)]

sad thing about this,

this kid had no choice(on how things developed down below), and is being persecuted for how she was born,

[FianceeUvBigGuy (imported)]

sad thing about this,

this kid had no choice(on how things developed down below), and is being persecuted for how she was born,

Yoli here, to muddy the waters...

I don't see it as persecution because the rules ARE the rules and Caster's "condition" imparts an unfair advantage.

I feel badly for Caster and not so much as it relates to her athletic career. I'm more saddened by the poor prospects "she" has for a life enriched by a lasting marital relationship or something along that line.

May God somehow prove me wrong.

Yoli

Someone who cares about more than trophies.

[Kortpeel (imported)]

I feel badly for Caster and not so much as it relates to her athletic career. I'm more saddened by the poor prospects "she" has for a life enriched by a lasting marital relationship or something along that line.

May God somehow prove me wrong.

Yoli

Her prospects for

a lasting marital relationship

are not necessarily poor. Just from coming to this board it is apparent that there are all kinds in this world and it is simply a matter of meeting the right one.

I'm sure there are guys who would love to marry another guy with a real vagina or a woman with real, albeit internal, balls.

I would say that the best thing Caster could do now is to take up singing. With all the publicity she's got and all the interest in her, an album called "In Between Blues" would have to be a hit. She just needs a little chutzpah and a good agent.

Kortpeel

[Hash (imported)]

I think Caster is what some female to male transsexuals long for, some wish to retain or keep their testicles so that they don't lose their sexual desires. However, if she has testicles and they are producing testosterone, then her feminine parts must be somewhat male in appearance. Like those of women body builders who take steroids.

[Richard_Less (imported)]

the rules ARE the rules

That's it exactly. It's unfortunate that she fits between the rules. Hopefully this can open the door to modify the rules to allow for this kind of circumstance, for her, and others in the future.

Perhaps she may be closer to being a male as far as her testosterone levels and musculature goes that she can compete with males.

[devi (imported)]

There shouldn't be just two sexes that are allowed, I think. There is more to life than just two sexes or even sex. Actually a LOT more. But I myself did have my best friend for over fifteen years before he died. We did have alot of wonderful times and memories together. And in the end just because you are not allowed to succeed in one venue doesn't mean that there are other oppurtunities available. Life may be harder if you are in between two worlds but it is kind of nice to be able to move between two worlds too.

[Hash (imported)]

If she has testes, she's a male. Therefore she/he should be allowed to run with the men.

[Dave (imported)]

It is sad in that it ends her athletic competitions. It isn't her fault. She probably can't compete with the men and she won't be allowed to compete with the women.

[punkypink (imported)]

There are the pragmatic views (those are the rules etc).............

and then there is what's right and wrong... how we treat others...

too bad the 2 do not go hand in hand. Now not only is her career ruined, she has to face the stigma of being "not male not female". Wonder how much ostracisation she'll face in her country now. It won't be the 1st time people like her, people like me, are looked down on for being born the way we are. Society seems determined to believe that we deserve it somehow for something we did in our past lives.

Well done Olympics. Congrations on ruining a life.

[twaddler (imported)]

I can't imagine having the worldwide media reporting on this shit if this was me. wow. wtf. Tactless much?

[chilliwilli (imported)]

...the Ancient Greeks would be so ashamed...preventing a hermaphrodite from competing...:shakemitk

But then again, the Ancients didn't have ultrasound, DNA testing, hormones, etc.

better to be fast and ugl-a than fat and ugl-a

Fred "chilli" Sanford

[devi (imported)]

If she has testes, she's a male. Therefore she/he should be allowed to run with the men.

Not all ovaries are on the inside. Not all testes are on the outside. Not all glands have been developed enough to become either one of these. Beleive it or not. I think that ancient Greece had already recognized this and so they pretty much set up a class of "priestesses". Plus in ancient society Many did seem to recogninize that there were in reality natural born eunuchs.

[JesusA]

My guess (without proper medical information) is that Caster Semenya has Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, a gene mutation on the X chromosome. Those with AIS are genetically male, but have externally female bodies.

Here's a link to a journalistic article (and brief video) about Eden Atwood, a female jazz singer (and former model) with AIS. She may have XY chromosomes, but she's clearly a very attractive female.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MedicalMys ... 752&page=1

[chilliwilli (imported)]

She looks quite beautiful. And whether or not people appreciated her voice has little to do with her physical sexual state. To bad sports competition is not like beauty, up to the beholder.

chilli-

[cordonone (imported)]

Yoli here, to muddy the waters...

I don't see it as persecution because the rules ARE the rules and Caster's "condition" imparts an unfair advantage.

I feel badly for Caster and not so much as it relates to her athletic career. I'm more saddened by the poor prospects "she" has for a life enriched by a lasting marital relationship or something along that line.

May God somehow prove me wrong.

Yoli

Someone who cares about more than trophies.

my admittedly limited experience suggests to me that there are soooooo many things that float so many different people's boats when it comes to erotic and personal interactions that this person will find many "someones" who will want to be in their company...the challenge will be to distinguish the sincere and caring from the voyeuristic and opportunistic....i wish Caster well...