Do Males Seeking Tgirls Want Them Castrated

[turtle12 (imported)]

Don't quite understand the psychology of the man who wants a Tgirl. Does he want his Tgirl to be castrated? If she takes meds to make her breasts grow will that end her need for castration? Pics or videos I've seen show the Tgirls with dicks so is it correct that a penectomy would make her something else in the eyes of guys who like Tgirls?

It boils down to this. Should I have a castration? Should I keep my balls? What meds do I take to make my breasts grow? What would make me the most desirable Tgirl (pussy girl) to guys? I have the very tiny recessed turtle dick and wonder if I should have it removed and have a clit made? Where is the best medical practice to have the type work done that you guys would recommend? Thanks!

[punkypink (imported)]

a Tgirl is a girl who simply have a body that does not match her gender.

Like, you wouldn't discriminate against a girl whose nose is too big, or whose mouth is too big, eyes too small etc, having a mismatching body is just another physical issue like the above.

The most desirable Tgirl is the one who is confident of her own identity, and isn't hung up and miserable over being transgendered. Whether she has choosen any physical alterations does not matter. Whats the use of a tgirl who passes perfectly but is so insecure and hung up that shes an emotional blackhole who's no fun to be around, nevermind whats between her legs.

The psychology of men who happen to date tgirls, well they're either fetishists objectifying them, or they're genuine deep people for whom physical "flaws" do not make them love someone any less.

We say, judge a book not by its cover, and yet how few people live a non-superficial life. How few can genuinely love someone for who they are.

[lisarenee (imported)]

I think it very much depends on the individual. There is a "shemale" porn actress named Danielle Foxx who recently had full gender reassignment surgery. Having her penis removed seems to have fostered a lack of interest in many of her fans, and outright disgust anf hostility in others. It seems that some guys who like Tgirls really like the idea of a girl with the same equipment as they have.

[JesusA]

The most desirable Tgirl is the one who is confident of her own identity, and isn't hung up and miserable over being transgendered. Whether she has choosen any physical alterations does not matter. Whats the use of a tgirl who passes perfectly but is so insecure and hung up that shes an emotional blackhole who's no fun to be around, nevermind whats between her legs.

The psychology of men who happen to date tgirls, well they're either fetishists objectifying them, or they're genuine deep people for whom physical "flaws" do not make them love someone any less.

Hello Emily,

If I didn't know better, I would suspect that you were a 60 year old philosopher, rather than a 26 year old youngster. What you have written is both wise and wonderful.

Love is not the meshing of complementary body parts, it is the meeting of compatible minds and emotions. It is the coming together of two individuals where their sum is greater than their individuality. Physical closeness may be important, but emotion is much more so. A recent survey of 2000 American seniors found that 83% of them claimed that "true love' could exist without sex. Hugging and cuddling may be critical, but inserting body parts needn't be.

Thank you for your wonderful post.

[mrt (imported)]

I think there is a wide spectrum. Some transexual people are (for example) men who simply feel they are born with the wrong parts and just want to be women. (or the other way around) They may gladly accept the term transexual while in transition but many are very firm that post op they are women (or men). And who are we to disagree? Some folks don't need complete surgery to become who they feel they ought to be. F2M transmen who don't do bottom surgery for example. Others I think are just stuck because of funding etc.

I think talking to a therapist who does gender identity issues can help guide you best. And talking to your doctor about this at the same time would be a good step. You don't have to decide about surgery for at least a year anyway and I think this kind of step is very good to be taken with lots of thought and expert advice.

Good luck!

& yes, Emily your post was excellent!

[Mac (imported)]

Based on comments that I have heard and postings which I have read, it appears that FTM people without a penis are more content and comfortable than MTF people with a penis. Most MTF people appear to feel having female genitals is an essential part of being a woman where as most FTM people do not feel the same need to have a penis inorder to be a man.

Is that because it is easier to be man without a penis than it is to be a woman with a penis? Is it because the FTM people dislike the thought of having a penis (especially a poorly functioning one)? Or what other reasons might there be for those differences?

[Allison1 (imported)]

Interesting obversations. Never realized that FTMs have little desire for a penis.

[kristoff]

Interesting obversations. Never realized that FTMs have little desire for a penis.

Read a little more carefully. That isn't what he wrote.

[mlooking2 (imported)]

It depends if the man just wants sex from this type of women. Some men are polite and would treat a tgirl or cross dresser just like any other women. Some just like the fact that there is a little extra under the dress. I would say it depends on the man your dating. But I never ever look at a person of any kind and think castration.

[transward (imported)]

The psychology of men who happen to date tgirls, well they're either fetishists objectifying them, or they're genuine deep people for whom physical "flaws" do not make them love someone any less.

I think that is a considerable oversimplification . First of all almost all, particularly male, sexuality, hetero, homo or trans, involves some degree of fetishization. Virtually every part of the female anatomy, particularly breasts, hair and bottom, becomes a fetish in male erotic behavior. And the people attracted to t girls, like the people attracted to men, women, blonds, redheads, strippers and all other groups, run the gamut from human pond scum to near saints. Being trans, I will be the first to admit that in the dating meat market, we t girls have less of a choice of the Grade A Prime, and more of the human pond scum than genetic women, but that being said I am glad that there are people who like people like us and I think it ungenerous to slander them. Without them there would be a lot more lonely t girls.

Transward

[punkypink (imported)]

I beg to differ Transward.

True happiness comes from within. Having people with a transfetish is providing a false sort of happiness and validation. In the short run, thats fine, but in the long run, its more likely than not to lead to an inability to genuinely understand what makes us who we are. Lots of "admirers" are not exactly into transgirls for altruistic reasons, and will not hesitate to completely destroy however little self-esteem a tgirl has in order to get what he wants sexually.

There are those I call "transpartners", people who date tgirls not because they're tgirls, but because they love someone enough not to care about what genitals they have. If anything, bunching them in with the "admirers" who're there for selfish reasons, is the real slander and the real act of ungenerousity here. I say we actually pay tribute to people who don't objectify us when dating us, and seperate them from the people who selfishly sees us not as human being in their eyes, but just an object for them to get their rocks off.

I can personally say I do not fetishise physical traits in people. The only thing that turns me on is their personality. It's not what they have, its who they are, and if I like them, I can do anything with them regardless of what they have. I am lucky and very proud to say that equally, all the people I've dated have NEVER ever dated me for the fact that I'm trans, but for the fact that as a person, I am smart, capable and likeable.

[mrt (imported)]

"get their rocks off?"

So, for gents like me would that be "get their ahh? Silicones off?" Oh that just sounds wrong.

Get their appliances (As in medical appliances) off? Err! Worse if possible...

I know I should have asked for Brass Balls.....

SIGH

[Tclosetgirl (imported)]

It seems that some guys who like Tgirls really like the idea of a girl with the same equipment as they have.

That about sums it up, woman on top, soft shaved legs, but the same equipment flopping around..

[transward (imported)]

I beg to differ Transward.

True happiness comes from within. Having people with a transfetish is providing a false sort of happiness and validation. In the short run, thats fine, but in the long run, its more likely than not to lead to an inability to genuinely understand what makes us who we are. Lots of "admirers" are not exactly into transgirls for altruistic reasons, and will not hesitate to completely destroy however little self-esteem a tgirl has in order to get what he wants sexually.

Ms Pink

You seem to have a clear vision of how you think the world should be, but reality has a nasty habit of refusing to cleave neatly into the divisions you project onto it. I repeat, most human sexual attraction includes some degree of fetishization, whether that attraction is gay straight or trans. The very word fetish really means sexual attraction that many disapprove of. And the behavior you attribute to fetishes, is identical the the behavior of all too many men, regardless of the object of their lust (witness Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, Elliot Spitzer, and entirely too many others) . I suggest you read the advice columns in several women's magazines. I could rephrase your line as "

Lots of "admirers" are not exactly into girls for altruistic reasons, and will not hesitate to completely destroy however little self-esteem a girl has in order to get what he wants sexually,

" and it would be equally true. Simply put the incidence of sexual sociopaths is higher among men than women. The despicable behavior has little to do with their fetishes and much to do with their lack of character. And those men who like women with "something extra" have no more reason to apologize for their attraction than any other sexual desire.

I can personally say I do not fetishise physical traits in people. The only thing that turns me on is their personality. It's not what they have, its who they are, and if I like them, I can do anything with them regardless of what they have. I am lucky and very proud to say that equally, all the people I've dated have NEVER ever dated me for the fact that I'm trans, but for the fact that as a person, I am smart, capable and likeable.

I question this, not because I think you are lying, but because all the evidence points to the fact that who we are attracted to is only slightly subject to conscious control. If we can consciously choose those we are attracted to, then gay people could choose to be attracted to women, and the fundamentalists are right that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. Also, it is clear that we are only partly aware of our own motivations, and can only indirectly infer the motivations of another or the reasons another is attracted to you.

Transward

[punkypink (imported)]

"get their rocks off?"

So, for gents like me would that be "get their ahh? Silicones off?" Oh that just sounds wrong.

Get their appliances (As in medical appliances) off? Err! Worse if possible...

I know I should have asked for Brass Balls.....

SIGH

Brass is so old hat m'dear. Titanium. Precision machined.

[punkypink (imported)]

Ms Pink

You seem to have a clear vision of how you think the world should be, but reality has a nasty habit of refusing to cleave neatly into the divisions you project onto it. I repeat, most human sexual attraction includes some degree of fetishization, whether that attraction is gay straight or trans. The very word fetish really means sexual attraction that many disapprove of. And the behavior you attribute to fetishes, is identical the the behavior of all too many men, regardless of the object of their lust (witness Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, Elliot Spitzer, and entirely too many others) . I suggest you read the advice columns in several women's magazines. I could rephrase your line as "

Lots of "admirers" are not exactly into girls for altruistic reasons, and will not hesitate to completely destroy however little self-esteem a g

irl has in order to get what he wants sexually,

" and it would be equally true. Simply put the incidence of sexual sociopaths is higher among men than women. The despicable behavior has little to do with their fetishes and much to do with their lack of character. And those men who like women with "something extra" have no more reason to apol

ogize for their attraction than any other sexual desire.

Well, the bit about guys who wouldn't hesitate to ruin women's lives for the sake of their own selfish sexual desires is true, sad as it is to say. I don't see why we should condone people who use others for their own selfish reasons. Since this thread touches on admirers, I see no reason to condone their selfishness either.

I actually know guys and girls for that matter, who date people who happen to be TG, rather than specifically go for TG people. They're not a figment of my imagination, and to lump them in with the ones who're just out for quick sexual gratification just seems insulting to them. You're quick to defend trans-fetishists, but I observe that you've strangely not even mentioned or given du

e credit to people who're the true heros in a sense. Why?

I question this, not because I think you are lying, but because all the evidence points to the fact that who we are attracted to is only slightly subject to conscious control. If we can consciously choose those we are attracted to, then gay people could choose to be attracted to women, and the fundamentalists are right that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. Also, it is clear that we are only partly aware of our own motivations, and can only indirectly infer the motivations of anoth

er or the reasons another is attracted to you.

Transward

Well then, I guess, everybody must be attracted to something physical, and that there exists no person on earth that has little attraction to physical traits and is solely attracted to intellect and personality. Wrong. All my exes, bar the 1st from before I transitioned, are lesbians. One of them in fact, has a dislike for penis. Yet we were together for a year.

You know what? I agree with you that those who we are attracted to is mostly subject to subconscious control, but you seem to think that there is only attraction to physical traits. I, and my exes, are lucky that we are subconsciously attracted to substance and not form, and for us to l

ike someone based on physical traits i

s as good as saying homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. WE can't choose either.

In fact, a LARGE proportion of people are attracted a lot more to personality than physical traits, and in the modern world people seem to see that as a bad thing because we're supposed to be "sexually awakened" and all that. We do not apologise for finding it distasteful to be superficial, and we certainly think the basis of attraction and indeed, long term stability should be dependent on substance 1st before form. Form is a nice desert to be enjoyed in the bedroom. Form being the basis of 2 people getting together is a joke and bound to end in tears.

Now, any transperson who wishes to fall into the vicious cycle of letting attraction to form dictate his or her own self-acceptance and validation, feel free to do so. In the end though, if he or she finds that validation and genuine acceptance is never forthcoming, don't say Punky did not dispense any words of genuine wisdom.

[mrt (imported)]

Brass is so old hat m'dear. Titanium. Precision machined.

But with Brass I get sparks flying out my ass! Err I think....

Re another comment I really disagree. I don't think Fetish is a "Must" in a relationship. For some people I'm quite sure this is true but for a large percentage of us its mutual love and respect and a little bit of lust.

[_g (imported)]

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It boils down to this. Should I have a castration? Should I keep my balls? What meds do I take to make my breasts grow? What would make me the most desirable Tgirl (pussy girl) to guys? I have the very tiny recessed turtle dick and wonder if I should have it removed and have a clit made? Where is the best medical practice to have the type work done that you guys would recommend? Thanks!

To get breast grow you need to change your hormonal balance from a lot of testosterone little estrogen to a lot of estrogen and little testosterone. Some just can take estrogen and get change and others even with castration still will not grow breasts.

If I was a Tgirl, I would be castrated well before SRS.

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[stewie69 (imported)]

I think it very much depends on the individual. There is a "shemale" porn actress named Danielle Foxx who recently had full gender reassignment surgery. Having her penis removed seems to have fostered a lack of interest in many of her fans, and outright disgust anf hostility in others. It seems that some guys who like Tgirls really like the idea of a girl with the same equipment as they have.

I just found this thread. I hope I don't offend anyone, but here's how I feel...

I consider myself a straight guy. I adore women, and men don't appeal to me in the least. T-girls, though, are a special weakness for me. I've always been fascinated by them, and I would love to be with such a girl. Many of them really do appear feminine and passable. (Those that look more like guys in drag don't do it for me. No offense.) There have been quite a few in Transformation magazine over the years that have really gotten me excited. (Kimberly Devine is an all-time fave of mine.) After reading this thread, I found pics of Danielle Foxx, pre- and post-op. She's beautiful now, for sure, but I would have loved to have been with her when she still had her penis. Anyway, point being, if I did have a relationship with a T-girl, I would not want her to give up her male genitals, unless that was her true desire.

[jockey_elance (imported)]

Anyway, point being, if I did have a relationship with a T-girl, I would not want her to give up her male genitals, unless that was her true desire.

I agree with stewie.

[homptydumpty (imported)]

Don't quite understand the psychology of the man who wants a Tgirl. Does he want his Tgirl to be castrated? If she takes meds to make her breasts grow will that end her need for castration? Pics or videos I've seen show the Tgirls with dicks so is it correct that a penectomy would make her something else in the eyes of guys who like Tgirls?

It boils down to this. Should I have a castration? Should I keep my balls? What meds do I take to make my breasts grow? What would make me the most desirable Tgirl (pussy girl) to guys? I have the very tiny recessed turtle dick and wonder if I should have it removed and have a clit made? Where is the best medical practice to have the type work done that you guys would recommend? Thanks!

Thank you for the questions! We all learn somehow from some place.

You open up your question turtle by remarking your lack of phycological understanding men. I can say that of all the men I have dated/slept with/talked to regarding my being transgenderd is really the topic of interest. It so happens that I am a eunuch so yes I have been castrated & thus have tried a few things along the way such as hormones and surgeries to inhance my "femininity". These things(hormones, breast development, beauty products) Have all been largly motivated by the medias ideal. I say to you turtle that if you are simply looking to attract a man as a transsexual then hormones, Surgeries, clothing & Cosmetics could all work wonders. Though if your looking to attract a man who loves you for you really being you ( notice the over use of the word you) then you must look inside your self, ask yourself what it is about your body and soul that needs a bit of fixen to help make you happy.

Ok so now with all that said, the men that I have been with who are attracted to tgirls/shemales like a women with a penis that works. They like to suck on it & be penetrated.

[stewie69 (imported)]

Ok so now with all that said, the men that I have been with who are attracted to tgirls/shemales like a women with a penis that works. They like to suck on it & be penetrated.

Personally, I have no desire to be penetrated, but I would love to suck her penis as much as I want her to suck mine.

[SplitDik (imported)]

If a guy likes T-girls as a category, rather than liking women and happening to find a T-girl he likes, then he probably wants them to still have the male genitalia. I mean a fully transitioned transsexual should basically be a woman, so any guy with her shouldn't be thinking "all right I'm fulfilling my T-girl fetish".

I think the reasons guys (even those who otherwise are quite "straight") may be attracted to a T-girl with balls is that most biological women are really not particularly horny. A T-Girl really wants to suck your cock, whereas most women see it as a chore. Also, presumably a T-girl knows more about how a penis works and are therefore more practiced in pleasuring. I think if a guy really wants to be penetrated though then there is probably some latent homosexuality involved.

What I don't understand is why many transsexuals keep their male genitalia and seem to enjoy having it. If they are so out of place in a male body I'd think they'd definitely want to get rid of the most male part of their body.

I realize that the surgery itself is a barrier to some, but it seems that some T-girls actually prefer to keep the male genitals.

Just seems strange to me ... but of course there is no reason that people should fit into compartments.

[punkypink (imported)]

But with Brass I get sparks flying out my ass! Err I think....

Re another comment I really disagree. I don't think Fetish is a "Must" in a relationship. For some people I'm quite sure this is true but for a large percentage of us its mutual love and respect and a little bit of lust.

Clankety

clankety clank! Get a couple of magnesium ones

I just found this thread. I hope I don't offend anyone, but here's how I feel...

I consider myself a straight guy. I adore women, and men don't appeal to me in the least. T-girls, though, are a special weakness for me. I've always been fascinated by them, and I would love to be with such a girl. Many of them really do appear feminine and passable. (Those that look more like guys in drag don't do it for me. No offense.) There have been quite a few in Transformation magazine over the years that have really gotten me excited. (Kimberly Devine is an all-time fave of mine.) After reading this thread, I found pics of Danielle Foxx, pre- and post-op. She's beautiful now, for sure, but I would have loved to have been with her when she still had her penis. Anyway, point being, if I did have a relationship with a T-girl, I would not want her to give up

her male genitals, unless that was her true desire.

No to be fair, if you have a preference that's understandable. If you can still accept her despite her going for the op because she wanted it, in spite of your preference, that is fine too! It's those who have stopped liking her after she has had the op done, and those who now downright loathe her, who I think are just human scum. TSes do not need to date that kind of people who don't see them as women, but as something entirely seperate from who they actually are(i.e, women)

[punkypink (imported)]

What I don't understand is why many transsexuals keep their male genitalia and seem to enjoy having it. If they are so out of place in a male body I'd think they'd definitely want to get rid of the most male part of their body.

I realize that the surgery itself is a barrier to some, but it seems that some T-girls actually prefer to keep the male genitals.

Just seems strange to me ... but of course there is no reason that people should fit into compartments.

Same reason why there are women who can deal with having small breasts, a nose too big, lips too thin etc.

The identity is female. The body is male. Sure theres a physical mismatch, but its not the end of the world, not for some anyway. There are more important things to worry about in life, so many things to do, to see, to buy (like my future lamborghini).

I personally feel that gender dysphoria does not mean one has to hate one's own body, even if the sex does not match the gender. Logically gender dysphoria should manifest itself as being uncomfortable with trying to fit into the social gender role assigned to one due to one's physical sex, that is at odds with one's psychological gender.

People who dislike their own genitals and either wish to get rid of it or have the genitals of the opposite sex, THAT is a physical genital dysphoria. Afterall if there are men who have penile dysphoria, and men who don't, why must it be seen that ALL transgirls have a penile dysphoria? It surely seems logical that some do and some don't as well.

Being a woman is not about what's between one's legs. Its about what's between one's ears. While I don't personally have a strong desire to "keep them", I'm not bothered about using and enjoying whatever I got either. Maybe its because I'm a survivalist, maybe its because I'm ex-military, but making the best out of what you got, making the best out of the circumstance, just seems like the best path to take.

And because its whats between the ears thats more important in determining who I am, I'm really not too bothered about surgery being a must either. My brain is 100% comfortable being female, being socially female, so I don't need any physical op to "convince myself" of a fact I already know. If I do get the op, I see getting it as being like giving a nice exquisite dessert to a happy, healthy person, rather than giving water to a person dying of thirst.