Worldwide laws on castration, penectomy and nullification of sons

[curious_guy (imported)]

Are there any countries where it is legal for parents to have their sons castrated, penectomized or nullified for non-medical reasons? I suspect that there are not but I want to be sure.

[Losethem (imported)]

Why? Are you planning to take yours on a "vacation" and spring this on him?

I shouldn't have even dignified this thought with this long of a response. Castrating a male should happen *ONLY* because the guy receiving it wants it to happen.

[Yman (imported)]

Are there any countries where it is legal for parents to have their sons castrated, penectomized or nullified for non-medical reasons? I suspect that there are not but I want to be sure.

Quite a long time ago I've read about an australian mother who had her son made into a girl because she wanted a doughter. I don't remember the circumstances, but the newspaper article didn't mention a medical reason. Maybe this was a case of ambigious genitalia / intersexualism.

[curious_guy (imported)]

Why? Are you planning to take yours on a "vacation" and spring this on him?

I shouldn't have even dignified this thought with this long of a response. Castrating a male should happen *ONLY* because the guy receiving it wants it to happen.

I do not have any sons. If I did I would not mutilate them. I would not even circumcise them.

I want to know for a story I might write.

[Losethem (imported)]

Got ya. Thanks for clarifying.

[asphalt-cowboy (imported)]

I do not think that would be legal in any country. Rather think to countries where is not illegal, countries with virtually no social and legal systems (warfare zones in Africa, arab tribal areas)...

[curious_guy (imported)]

Got ya. Thanks for clarifying.

You're welcome. Actually I do have a castrated child. You can see a picture of my child taken less than a week after he was castrated. In that picture he has no clothes on. He has never had any clothes. To see that picture just look to the left of this text.

[curious_guy (imported)]

I do not think that would be legal in any country. Rather think to countries where is not illegal, countries with virtually no social and legal systems (warfare zones in Africa, arab tribal areas)...

Are there any countries in which it is illegal to circumcise sons without a medical reason?

[A-1 (imported)]

You're welcome. Actually I do have a castrated child. You can see a picture of my child taken less than a week after he was castrated. In that picture he has no clothes on. He has never had any clothes. To see that picture just look to the left of this text.

OMG!

Your son is a PUSSY...

[asphalt-cowboy (imported)]

I want to know for a story I might write.

For a story you can create a country that meets the exact requirements you need. Just as George Lucas has invented a whole universe to put on movie the story of Star Wars.

[curious_guy (imported)]

OMG!

Your son is a PUSSY...

I told Wizard what you wrote. He is incensed. This is what he ORDERED me to write:

I am not the human's son. I am the human's boss. I am also NOT a PUSSY. I am a superior being. I have two humans that I am dominant over. I know this because I can sit on them.

[Riverwind (imported)]

As Rupert was looking over my shoulder reading this post he told me that this was true and it was time for some treats.

River

[Paolo]

Back to the story element - you can always set it a bit in the future with new laws, or just briefly define an alternate universe.

[Eunuchorn (imported)]

This is a Supposition. a What if? pertaining to this thread.

Possible reasoning: your 15 year old son has gotten 10 different women of assorted ages Pregnant. He laughs about it and refuses any responsibility over the issue, Claiming "their problem, not his". You've told him not to do so any more, and the Child Welfare Division will not take him off your hands.

He won't mind once past your doors.

What could you do? Would any CWD accept involuntary vasectomy as a solution? and if the child refused the doctor's orders of rest and limited movement, would the vasectomy end up in a bilateral orchidectomy?

Would you then be charged with abuse?

[seriously curious (imported)]

There are no countries within the civilized world that allow for genital mutilation. However, with that being said there are several countries that will turn thier heads and not procecute the Doctor. Mostly this is done for cultural reason in Egypt and many African nations the pratice of removing a young girls external genetailia is done to keep the woman chaste, their reasoniong is if she cant feel anything then she wont go looking for it. Of course the male is totally taken out of the picture, it's the woman who entices the man into extracuricular activities.

As far as forced castrations and or penectomies I don't think that any country would stand for or allow that. You need to remember that we are are paternal society. Castrations have been forced onto Muslim Men when they have been caught doing the deed one time to many. China may or may not allow castration even though it is an ancient practice. Once again the government may turn their heads in cases such as these. Thats my theory take it as you will. I do like the idea of looking at a possible future culture were teen pregnancy is rampant just a thought.

[Twinsenboy (imported)]

God, knowing whether or not this is reality someplace these days, that would for sure ruin the whole fantasy about it for me at least.

So then, there would be NO reason to even think about it anymore. Except to find or plan a way to stop it being done.

Nothing worse than (real) pain and helplessness.

Good stories on the subject though - for inspiration etc - might be Erik's Treatment, and Greg's Castration.

[Sweetpickle (imported)]

Make it political. Sarah and friends came up with the "death panel" concept. Maybe you can have castration panels. It can be part of the health insurance program. Have your boy castrated and get a reduced rate. That would probably work well with auto insurance.

[genderless (imported)]

For some reason child soldiers come to mind and an old custom of taking some form of genitalia from prisoners of war. Don't want your enemies to reproduce for petes sake. LOL

[_g (imported)]

Just remember, coming back like into the USA. It may be a done fact but the locals still can bring you up on charges for the Nullification or Castration of the minor( most likely a Child Abuse charge).

_g

[stevenoo (imported)]

I understand you can still get a neutered slave boy to work around the house in Saudi Arabia. Don't know if it's government sanctioned.

[JesusA]

I understand you can still get a neutered slave boy to work around the house in Saudi Arabia. Don't know if it's government sanctioned.

There are certainly lots of rumors that there are still eunuchs being produced for Middle Eastern harems, but there is no good hard evidence that I have been able to find of any recent case.

My first close contact with the subject of eunuchs came as a graduate student in anthropology. I took first semester Arabic in the Fall of 1965 and was assigned a young Saudi tutor to help with my pronunciation. He and I got along well and began meeting for coffee on a regular basis outside of class requirements. During the winter vacation we each traveled home to see our families. Before classes started again in January 1966 we met for coffee to talk about our vacations. He was very excited that in his absence his father had purchased a new slave to care for his mother and sisters and he could talk of little else. It was a young eunuch, whom he estimated to be about 12 years old. I dropped Arabic and joined the Anti-Slavery Society (www.antislavery.org) within the week.

Slavery had been "officially" abolished in Saudi Arabia (and in neighboring Yemen) in 1962, and this young slave was purchased three years after the supposed abolition.

According to Ahmad Nasr, a Sudanese geographer who interviewed them during his Haj in 2001, the youngest eunuch guardian of the Tomb of the Prophet in Mecca was "recruited" in 1984. He expressed doubt that there would be any more recruited for the position, though I'm not convinced.

Just last year Sheik Salah Al-Fawzan, is a member of the Council of Religious Edicts and Research, the Imam of Prince Mitaeb Mosque in Riyadh and a professor at Imam Mohamed Bin Saud Islamic University, Saudi Arabia's main center of learning for the strict Wahhabi interpretation of Islam, publicly stated, "Slavery is a part of Islam." He is the author of the religious curriculum taught in Saudi schools (and in many Arabic language schools around the world, including the U.S.) He clarified his position by saying, "Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long as there is Islam." He claims that Muslims who contend that Islam is against slavery "are ignorant, not scholars." He has taught that Muslims who are not orthodox Sunni may also be enslaved by "true Muslims."

Anti-Slavery International reported in the early 1990s that at least two Sudanese boys, ages 10 and 12, had been castrated to serve as house slaves during the civil war there. Prof. Stephanie Beswick, a Sudanese historian at Ball State University, has reported castration of house slaves in Sudan in the late 1990s. Slavery has long been "illegal" in Sudan, but slave raiding still occurs in the south of the country with Black (Christian and pagan) women and children being taken as slaves by Arab northerners. Some have been rescued from Egypt and Saudi Arabia, though no eunuchs have been reported among them.

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[Linda Smiles (imported)]

Whilst not relevant to the present day, a guy that I worked for many years ago had travelled around the near, middle east and far east back in the 1930s, he said that eunuchs were not uncommon even in the near east and some people he knew regularly visited eunuch prostitutes that had had everything removed and said that they preferred them to real woman, he said that he did puzzle about how intercourse took place.

The one thing he learnt was that most of the castrations that occurred appeared to have been voluntary although there was a practice in some areas where families had "surplus" sons castrated so that they were not a "threat" to older sons, in some cases the castrated son would stay at home to look after his parents but many of these cases (especially for poorer families) the castrated sons were sold.

Linda