Castration can go wrong

[Don (imported)]

I agree with you that it's unfortunate we've lost another cutter. I really believe mine was a talented one (I've heard absolutely no bad reports from anyone else who was castrated by him) who was just caught up in my bad luck that night without the training or the equipment to fix the problem. As it happened, by the time I got to the hospital it was a 3-hour operation to fix things up.

I agree with you that it would be good to see castration available as elective surgery, but I think it hits too close to home for the (mostly male) medical establishment to even consider.

And as for your last point, I'm grateful to the Oak Park Police for not revealing my name (although 48 years old from Birmingham does narrow it down a lot As it happens, people in my area weren't even aware I was out sick the last three days. When they asked where I had been I just said I was a little under the weather :tongueout not a lie, just not the whole truth ) My boss knew I had been in the hospital, because he picked me up there Monday, but I don't think he pays attention to the local media. In any event, if he sussed it out he didn't let on today.

As you all know by know I am taking Androcur and under Doctors care and advise, I will be see Dr Kimmel this Sept 6th and taking a friend along for camera work and moral support.

I looked into cutters, tried a couple of times to castrated myself, when I came to the conclusion that, that was stupid.

It is unfortanet that we have lost another cutter but I would reather see the medical community step up to the plate and offer this kind of surgery at an afforidable price and have the option of where to go. Right now we only have two choises. Kimmel/Spector or a cutter. not much to choise from.

This whole insident makes me sad. We have a cutter that was tring to do good not harm and he will be gone for a while. We have Don who made all the news papers in his area which is somthing I know he wanted all to know.

The whole thing is just sad.

[Andrew (imported)]

Don,

I am glad your happy, I know I will probably laugh also when mine are finally gone. I will have a friend with me taking pictures and telling jokes so I know I will be laughing. I understand its a relief and emotions will let loose.

Riverwind the Happy Eunuch

I want to know if Dr.Kimmel carries on a practice of Dr. Spector. He removed my right testicle first, then the left. Asthe left came off, he held it up for me to see and said "Congratulations! You are now a eunuch!". Jeff Adams applauded.

[luvpain (imported)]

Yeah I am very sad about it also. It has put more of a bad light on our community. I am very grateful that Don did survive with out to much trouble other than the hospitalization and police questioning.

I am disappointed about losing another good underground cutter, on whom I am sure would have gone to when I was ready. I lost a very good Bondage/CBT partner because of it. Hopefully the cutter won't face any charges, but with all the happenings since 9/11 I doubt that he will be allowed to stay here in the USA.

As Riverwind states we need more Doctors willing to perform castrations, to make it easier for us to obtain, and lower the cost factor involved in having it done professionally.

[BossTamsin (imported)]

This incident may have cast a bad light upon our community, but honestly I can't see the mainstream press getting involved in our community UNLESS it was something which cast a bad light.

I am glad though, that Don is ok.

IEunuch.

[Close Shave (imported)]

This incident may have cast a bad light upon our community, but honestly I can't see the mainstream press getting involved in our community UNLESS it was something which cast a bad light.

I am glad though, that Don is ok.

IEunuch.

It makes your community look sloppy.

The mainstream press IS involved.

[A-1 (imported)]

What newspaper do YOU write for?

Or are you freelance?

A-1

[Andrew (imported)]

So this guy is supposed to have castrated 50 others before this affair? Are any of those 50 here in the EA, or in some other forum, or just determined to stay underground about their condition?

[BossTamsin (imported)]

It makes your community look sloppy.

The mainstream press IS involved.

Yes, yes, this has been mentioned before.

Two points though:

- This is one incident. Many, many people are castrated each year without any problems whatsoever. Dr. Spector (and now Dr. Kimmel) managed to make it a full-time business for many years. However, the mainstream press does not care about that, as it lacks the sensation and drama of what happened to Don.

- Accidents (which is what this was) are bound to happen. Even doctors can perform an operation with textbook precision and find the patient dying from some unforseeable event or complication. This is especially true with something like castration, where the 'mainstream' medical profession absolutely refuses to consider performing a voluntary castration, and even asking about it can pose a risk of involuntary hospitalization in a psyche ward.

Personally, I don't see this as making the community look sloppy. However, how often is the press interested in presenting a fair and unbiased opinion about events today? Fair reporting doesn't sell. Sensationalism and drama sell.

IEunuch.

(A gentleman who runs a kiddy entertainment company has recently been charged with molestation. The press has been having a field day with it, even though no court has found him guilty. I can't help but think that even if God himself came down and pronounced him innocent, his life is ruined forever.)

[Paolo]

It makes your community look sloppy.

The mainstream press IS involved.

In case you've not noticed, you're prancing about all over MY Community.

[luvpain (imported)]

So this guy is supposed to have castrated 50 others before this affair? Are any of those 50 here in the EA, or in some other forum, or just determined to stay underground about their condition?

Well I haven't spoken to any of the other eunuchs that were done by this cutter besides Don. I do know that Don has been in contact with a few and they are all happy about their experience with the cutter.

The cutter had told me a few times that he didn't visit the EA very often since in his opinion most of the people were just into fantasy scene. He seemed to be more active in the different Yahoo Clubs and Groups. Both Don and I came to know him on Yahoo and no in here.

I would guess that not many of the guys that he has done don't visit here, or if they do they are probably too shy.

[A-1 (imported)]

It makes your community look sloppy.

The mainstream press IS involved.

Mainstream my ass!

These people are just sensationalists. If the guy would have had a kitchen table hemmorhoidectomy all you would have gotten out of them is a birth announcement for another yellow journalist!

These humanoid ogres are the same type of Tabolid jouranlists that keep reporting on Wynonna Rider's shoplifting trial.

Why don't some you yellow journalists go hunting for binLauden in Pakistan or something...

A-1

[luvpain (imported)]

Well so far all I have been able to locate have been those previous 3 articles. All 3 were from the local press around Detroit.

I have been checking the Major news outlets (ie. ABC, CBS, Fox & NBC) but haven't found anything at the national level. I have heard from a few people that Fox News had mentioned the case. From their accounts the only thing that will happen with the cutter will be deportation since he overstayed his visa. I however have been unable to verify that.

I will keep everyone informed of what I find out.

[Don (imported)]

I'm not an attorney, but I'm betting they can't get my cutter on "practicing without a license" in Michigan, because Michigan law defines the practice of medicine as "the diagnosis, treatment, prevention, cure, or relieving of a human disease, ailment, defect, complaint, or other physical or mental condition, by attendance, advice, device, diagnostic test, or other means, or offering, undertaking, attempting to do, or holding oneself out as able to do, any of these acts." Hmmm...doesn't say anything about voluntary surgery that's not trying to cure something. And I made sure to tell the police that he never described himself as a doctor.

[Mac (imported)]

I'm not an attorney, but I'm betting they can't get my cutter on "practicing without a license" in Michigan, because Michigan law defines the practice of medicine as ... Hmmm...doesn't say anything about voluntary surgery that's not trying to cure something. And I made sure to tell the police that he never described himself as a doctor.

I read an article, believe it was in The Detroit News, that castration is not specifically designated as illegal in Michigan.

[A-1 (imported)]

It could be applied to "barbering"

I think that "barbers" used to fo minor surigical procedures.

No, it is not exactly heart surgery, now, is it?

A-1

[madscientist (imported)]

Did your cutter charge you for this? If so, how much?

On another subject, perhaps they will do a piece on elective castrations on a news-magazine. Sounds like a good topic for Geraldo.

[luvpain (imported)]

Well know the cutter well, he did not charge for most castrations he performed. He did it for free as a service to people that were really had no other options.

[Don (imported)]

Luvpain's right, there was no charge. Believe me, the police asked about that, too.

[Riverwind (imported)]

Don,

It sounds like from you and Luv that the cutter will only be deported, this could be because the police know you wont testify agents him at least in the manner they would like.

You also sound like you are much better, tell us how things are healing and how you feel being one of our newest eunuchs.

[Don (imported)]

Yeah, I'm hoping deportation is the worst that happens. I've answered all of the questions from the police honestly -- but it seems honest answers don't get them where they want to go

I plan to begin a new string this weekend.

[JeffEunuch (imported)]

From what I can tell the only thing this cutter has done wrong in his perhaps 50 or more castration procedures is err in tying off the one of the cords previously connecting the testicles to the subject and then panicking when it was evident that the new castrate would require medical attention. As indicated above, the cutter frequented the castration chat rooms. Many guys who'd been unable to find a cutter benefitted from his services, which involved no charge. In some cases he travelled at his own expense. I know a couple of beneficiaries, including one whom also lost his sac to this cutter's skill, and they're all very satisfied with his level of skill, etc.

Similar errors occur occasionally even in a medical setting, and a few of those errors have been aired on this bulletin board. A couple of guys going to medical doctors have suffered from excessive bleeding, either from improperly ligated cords or from the interior of the sac.

My own conclusion is that it was the panic that makes this case so regrettable. My own cutter and I had discussed such an eventuality and had worked out a response where I'd be delivered to a nearby medical centre for treatment. As it turned out, it was a perfect job, and I was able to walk to a restaurant later the same day and drive myself 240 km home the following day. He did such a good job of avoiding even small blood vessels in the sac incisions that I lost less than 2 ml of blood (estimated).

Our community is now less one more scarce practicioner. This instance also illustrates the stress faced by cutters.

[BossTamsin (imported)]

Personally, I believe that the only reason that charges have not been laid in this case is that they can simply deport the cutter. If, however, the cutter were a US citizen, I am sure they would have pulled many rabbits out of their hats, just to ensure that some charges could have been laid against him.

It is just a deplorable state of affairs, these days, when people who need something like this are turned away by doctors, and then forced to seek underground cutters for (potentially) illegal and unsafe operations, just so they can feel comfortable with their bodies.

IEunuch.

[madscientist (imported)]

Legally, you don't have to answer any questions at all. You have told all involved enough, & if anyone who you do not wish to reply to asks any more, tell them to piss off!

[luvpain (imported)]

Well I did some leg work to day and went to the Public Library and looked through the last week's worth of newspapers, and came up empty handed on anything new to report. Looks like all the media wanted to do was use the story for SHOCK VALUE and ratings.

As JeffEunuch states it probably a good idea to go over what should be done incase of problems that might arise. It will probably make everyone more comfortable that way to.

I think that a lot of the problem that happened were due to nervousness from a 3rd party that canceled at the last min, and then panicking after Don's condition got very bad.

Personally I don't think it is very wise to perform a castration in you home, as it makes it difficult to make yourself scarce in case things go wrong. At least that is My Opinion after what happened last week.

[Riverwind (imported)]

Luv, I would agree that if you're a cutter don't do it at home that is asking for trouble. There are other ways to get a place that does not compromise the cutter. Also a good plan if something does go wrong is also something that needs to be considered.

Riverwind

Remember have fun and play safe