I second that. If you are going to do a castration, go someplace else. Like say, a motel room.
I'm sure there are still places around that will take cash & rent to "Mr.Smith".... just be careful not to leave a mess, as they may not appreciate trying to get bloodstains out of the linen.
IEunuch.
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BossTamsin (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:27 am I second that. If you are going to do a castration, go someplace else. Like say, a motel room.
I'm sure there are still places around that will take cash & rent to "Mr.Smith".... just be careful not to leave a mess, as they may not appreciate trying to get bloodstains out of the linen.
Agreed, Motels are a good place, and make sure you bring lots of plastic drop cloths. :tongueout
However it is still recommended that you see a professional doctor than finding an underground cutter.
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Right IEunuch,
But the person being cut can rent the room in his name; he is not doing anything wrong. I would also suggest a plastic tarp and bring your own linen so it can be disposed of later. The best part is if something does go wrong, the cutter leaves, 10 min later the person who was just cut puts in the call to 911. that is if its really bad the person can't get himself to the hospital.
Just a thought.
But the person being cut can rent the room in his name; he is not doing anything wrong. I would also suggest a plastic tarp and bring your own linen so it can be disposed of later. The best part is if something does go wrong, the cutter leaves, 10 min later the person who was just cut puts in the call to 911. that is if its really bad the person can't get himself to the hospital.
Just a thought.
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Article was was out of Newsweek (http://www.newsweek.com)
Original Article (http://www.msnbc.com/news/771716.asp)
The Unkindest Cut
Our columnist gets the low-down on an unlikely fetish: male castration
June 24, 2002 - NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE
Have you been following that castration story out of Detroit? The details of this amazing story sound like the set-up to an old "guy-goes-into-a-bar" joke: A guy goes into a suburban ranch home outside of Detroit and has his testicles cut off.
AFTER THE OPERATION, he and the "doctor" share a few laughs over a slice of pie. Laughter may be good for the soul, but it's not good for a man's surgically scythed scrotum, so the guy starts bleeding uncontrollably. Unable to stanch the flow, the "doctor" calls 911. The cops get there and send the 48-year-old patient to get patched up in a real hospital. Meanwhile, the "doctor," a 29-year-old Taiwanese man who said he learned the procedure from his genuine doctor parents, tells police that he can't imagine why the operation went awry—after all, he's done fifty of 'em!
Sure enough, a pair of testicles—and not the 48-year-old's—was found
I can't possibly be the only person thinking, "What the hell is going on in suburban Detroit?!"
The "doctor" hasn't been charged with a crime because, apparently, it's not illegal in the state of Michigan to remove the testicles of an adult who wishes to have his testicles removed (more on such people later). The local prosecutor's office
"It's been, as
The police inquiry did reveal that the Taiwanese "doctor" has overstayed his stude
If you find yourself befuddled by this Testicles-in-a-Tupperware story, you may have a job awaiting you at the Oak Park Police Department.
"I don't think anyone is aware that this kind of thing is going on," said Lt. Bruce Smith, a spokesman for the suburban Detroit department. "But there are some people who are into this kind of ... well, I don't even know what you'd call it. They want their equipment off for some reason."
The Oak Park investigation turned up dozens of chat rooms where men—including the "victim" in this case—discuss their desire to be castrated. My own investigation found that would-be castrati are using the Internet in ways never envisioned by the inventors of the World Wide Web.
Like Lt. Smith, I had a difficult time separating the certifiable nut cases from the nut cases who had legitimate reasons for wanting to no longer be legitimate men. And the Internet sites were no help. One Yahoo! chat group, Neuteredmenandwannabes, informed me that, "Some women and some men want their slaves without testicles." Another claimed that "Castration isn't birth control; it's life control." A third site claimed that the Bible supports testicular subtraction. Subsequently, I can't read Matthew 19:12—"eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake"—without crossing my legs.
Later, though, I stumbled onto Eunuch.org (doesn't it sound so much more credible than that IPO-seeking Eunuch.com?) and other web support groups where castrated men and those who wish to join their ranks can compare notes and fetishes. (Full disclosure? I tried to contact some of these men, but access to most of these Web sites are denied to the non-castrated. Despite my editor's pressure, I decided that there's a limit to how far I was willing to go on this story.)
But my journalistic curiosity—and my readers' right to know—could not be satisfied by mere web-surfing, so I made a few calls and discovered quite quickly that there's a lot of really weird stuff going on out there. The "Kevorkian of Castration" in Oak Park is just the beginning.
"I couldn't believe it when I heard the police say it's 'incomprehensible,' because it's not," said Gary Taylor, a Shakespearean scholar at the University of Alabama who wrote "Castration: An Abbreviated History of Western Manhood," a cutting social history of, well, cutting.
Taylor's book reminds us that eunuchs often held great power throughout history. Poor Chinese peasants, for example, would castrate a son in hopes of landing him a well-paying job in the Forbidden City. And in the 16th century, young boys were castrated to ensure them work as angel-voiced singers. But that type of social climbing is ancient history, so I called Dr. Felix Spector. You don't know Felix Spector? Well, obviously you've never shopped for a castration.
Felix Spector is to castration what Henry Ford was to the automobile. Recently retired, Spector had a long career of castrating men, men who would've otherwise been rudely turned away, labeled "insane" or "crazy," or referred into lengthy, traumatic and, let's face it, expensive psychological counseling. Spector's patients don't have time for that kind of rigmarole. They want their castration done yesterday.
Spector didn't want to talk—he claimed that the reporters willfully misunderstand the castration issue (who, us?)—but I managed to keep him on the phone long enough to get him to explain that most of his patients were "people who have a strong libido that's out of control and they feel that castration will take care of it."
I asked Spector what he thought of the Detroit case and he was dismissive. "That guy sounds like a 'cutter'," said the man who once charged $2,000 for the operation. "He sounds like a non-professional who is doing it just to make money as opposed to helping people."
Helping people do what? Control their libidos? Isn't that what Cinemax is for? Apparently too many men in this country don't have premium cable.
Dr. Michael Brownstein cuts off men's testicles for a living—as part of sex-change operations. "People contact me all the time to be castrated, but I refuse," he said. Brownstein only castrates men who have undergone rigorous, pre-sex-change counseling (to make sure they can mentally handle it), hormone treatment (to make sure they can physically handle it) and, of course, a credit check. "If it's an issue of libido control, there are medical means. If you ask me, there's something else going on here."
Gee, really? Back in Oak Park, the cops don't know what to think.
"We don't even know what to call this guy," Lt. Smith said of the castrati. "We can't call him the 'victim' because he kept telling us that he wanted this done to him. Ugh. Can we stop talking about this now?"
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Gersh Kuntzman is also a columnist for The New York Post. His Web site is at http://www.gersh.tv
(c) 2002 Newsweek, Inc.
Original Article (http://www.msnbc.com/news/771716.asp)
The Unkindest Cut
Our columnist gets the low-down on an unlikely fetish: male castration
June 24, 2002 - NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE
Have you been following that castration story out of Detroit? The details of this amazing story sound like the set-up to an old "guy-goes-into-a-bar" joke: A guy goes into a suburban ranch home outside of Detroit and has his testicles cut off.
AFTER THE OPERATION, he and the "doctor" share a few laughs over a slice of pie. Laughter may be good for the soul, but it's not good for a man's surgically scythed scrotum, so the guy starts bleeding uncontrollably. Unable to stanch the flow, the "doctor" calls 911. The cops get there and send the 48-year-old patient to get patched up in a real hospital. Meanwhile, the "doctor," a 29-year-old Taiwanese man who said he learned the procedure from his genuine doctor parents, tells police that he can't imagine why the operation went awry—after all, he's done fifty of 'em!
Sure enough, a pair of testicles—and not the 48-year-old's—was found
doctor's refrigerator (a product endorsement that the company could have lived without). The "doctor" said the testicles belonged to an earlier customer, whose genital liberation had been performed in the back of a mini-van.
I can't possibly be the only person thinking, "What the hell is going on in suburban Detroit?!"
The "doctor" hasn't been charged with a crime because, apparently, it's not illegal in the state of Michigan to remove the testicles of an adult who wishes to have his testicles removed (more on such people later). The local prosecutor's office
an be cited for practicing medicine without a license.
"It's been, as
'" Deb Carley of the Oakland County Prosecutor's Office told me. (More investigation? A pair of testicles were found in Tupperware. The only thing I'd need to investigate is why I have a sudden aversion to leftovers.)
The police inquiry did reveal that the Taiwanese "doctor" has overstayed his stude
rned over to the Immigration and Naturalization Service (which, no doubt, will soon be sending him his pilot's license).luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:51 pm nt visa by a full year. That information, cops told me, has been tu
If you find yourself befuddled by this Testicles-in-a-Tupperware story, you may have a job awaiting you at the Oak Park Police Department.
"I don't think anyone is aware that this kind of thing is going on," said Lt. Bruce Smith, a spokesman for the suburban Detroit department. "But there are some people who are into this kind of ... well, I don't even know what you'd call it. They want their equipment off for some reason."
The Oak Park investigation turned up dozens of chat rooms where men—including the "victim" in this case—discuss their desire to be castrated. My own investigation found that would-be castrati are using the Internet in ways never envisioned by the inventors of the World Wide Web.
Like Lt. Smith, I had a difficult time separating the certifiable nut cases from the nut cases who had legitimate reasons for wanting to no longer be legitimate men. And the Internet sites were no help. One Yahoo! chat group, Neuteredmenandwannabes, informed me that, "Some women and some men want their slaves without testicles." Another claimed that "Castration isn't birth control; it's life control." A third site claimed that the Bible supports testicular subtraction. Subsequently, I can't read Matthew 19:12—"eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake"—without crossing my legs.
Later, though, I stumbled onto Eunuch.org (doesn't it sound so much more credible than that IPO-seeking Eunuch.com?) and other web support groups where castrated men and those who wish to join their ranks can compare notes and fetishes. (Full disclosure? I tried to contact some of these men, but access to most of these Web sites are denied to the non-castrated. Despite my editor's pressure, I decided that there's a limit to how far I was willing to go on this story.)
But my journalistic curiosity—and my readers' right to know—could not be satisfied by mere web-surfing, so I made a few calls and discovered quite quickly that there's a lot of really weird stuff going on out there. The "Kevorkian of Castration" in Oak Park is just the beginning.
"I couldn't believe it when I heard the police say it's 'incomprehensible,' because it's not," said Gary Taylor, a Shakespearean scholar at the University of Alabama who wrote "Castration: An Abbreviated History of Western Manhood," a cutting social history of, well, cutting.
Taylor's book reminds us that eunuchs often held great power throughout history. Poor Chinese peasants, for example, would castrate a son in hopes of landing him a well-paying job in the Forbidden City. And in the 16th century, young boys were castrated to ensure them work as angel-voiced singers. But that type of social climbing is ancient history, so I called Dr. Felix Spector. You don't know Felix Spector? Well, obviously you've never shopped for a castration.
Felix Spector is to castration what Henry Ford was to the automobile. Recently retired, Spector had a long career of castrating men, men who would've otherwise been rudely turned away, labeled "insane" or "crazy," or referred into lengthy, traumatic and, let's face it, expensive psychological counseling. Spector's patients don't have time for that kind of rigmarole. They want their castration done yesterday.
Spector didn't want to talk—he claimed that the reporters willfully misunderstand the castration issue (who, us?)—but I managed to keep him on the phone long enough to get him to explain that most of his patients were "people who have a strong libido that's out of control and they feel that castration will take care of it."
I asked Spector what he thought of the Detroit case and he was dismissive. "That guy sounds like a 'cutter'," said the man who once charged $2,000 for the operation. "He sounds like a non-professional who is doing it just to make money as opposed to helping people."
Helping people do what? Control their libidos? Isn't that what Cinemax is for? Apparently too many men in this country don't have premium cable.
Dr. Michael Brownstein cuts off men's testicles for a living—as part of sex-change operations. "People contact me all the time to be castrated, but I refuse," he said. Brownstein only castrates men who have undergone rigorous, pre-sex-change counseling (to make sure they can mentally handle it), hormone treatment (to make sure they can physically handle it) and, of course, a credit check. "If it's an issue of libido control, there are medical means. If you ask me, there's something else going on here."
Gee, really? Back in Oak Park, the cops don't know what to think.
"We don't even know what to call this guy," Lt. Smith said of the castrati. "We can't call him the 'victim' because he kept telling us that he wanted this done to him. Ugh. Can we stop talking about this now?"
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Gersh Kuntzman is also a columnist for The New York Post. His Web site is at http://www.gersh.tv
(c) 2002 Newsweek, Inc.
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Yeah this guy has some very strange ideas, I didn't know weather to laugh 
or cry 
while reading the article. I also noticed a number of inaccuracies in the article. So I think he was being a bit too artistic on writing the article.
I personally think he was trying for some ratings instead of posting the fact and taking an unbiased approach to the issue.
or cry 
while reading the article. I also noticed a number of inaccuracies in the article. So I think he was being a bit too artistic on writing the article.I personally think he was trying for some ratings instead of posting the fact and taking an unbiased approach to the issue.
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Unfortunately, too many journalists do that.luvpain (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2002 2:45 pm I personally think he was trying for some ratings instead of posting the fact and taking an unbiased approach to the issue.
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...from a self-centered journalist.
I think that to be a journalist (read, newspaper reporter) you have to believe that somehow you hold the keys to eternal truth. You must be convinced of that.
I might only respond to him in the following manner.
For those who understand, no explaination is necessary. For those who don't no explaination is possible.
Furthermore, do not be suprised to see some journalist join this site to snoop around to see what they can find out. When they get through the ensuing disaster here will make what the Troll people did here will look like a halloween prank compared to...well, we shall see.
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I think that to be a journalist (read, newspaper reporter) you have to believe that somehow you hold the keys to eternal truth. You must be convinced of that.
I might only respond to him in the following manner.
For those who understand, no explaination is necessary. For those who don't no explaination is possible.
Furthermore, do not be suprised to see some journalist join this site to snoop around to see what they can find out. When they get through the ensuing disaster here will make what the Troll people did here will look like a halloween prank compared to...well, we shall see.
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I thought it was a cute and humorous article.
He didn't say bad things about eunuchs, but he didn't say good things.
Most people have no clue that eunuchs live among them.
They don't even know if there are gays or lesbians among them and we all know that there are !!! Worse, they can't even begin to think about about it.
The newspaper article was written for those people.
Once, a long time ago, I heard about the police getting their hands on a videotape of "scat" activities (that's the most polite way I know of saying it) ... If they hadn't seen it with their own eyes, they wouldn't have believed it was true. An entire police station in Buffalo NY didn't know anything like that existed...
I hope y'all realize that most people have never met a transexual. And if confronted by the real thing wouldn't know how to say hello.
He didn't say bad things about eunuchs, but he didn't say good things.
Most people have no clue that eunuchs live among them.
They don't even know if there are gays or lesbians among them and we all know that there are !!! Worse, they can't even begin to think about about it.
The newspaper article was written for those people.
Once, a long time ago, I heard about the police getting their hands on a videotape of "scat" activities (that's the most polite way I know of saying it) ... If they hadn't seen it with their own eyes, they wouldn't have believed it was true. An entire police station in Buffalo NY didn't know anything like that existed...
I hope y'all realize that most people have never met a transexual. And if confronted by the real thing wouldn't know how to say hello.
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SCAT is basically playing whit shit.
I have seen photos of SCAT where people are covered in shit, and a few where they are actually eating shit.
For some reasons just thinking about that makes me want to puke.
I have seen photos of SCAT where people are covered in shit, and a few where they are actually eating shit.
For some reasons just thinking about that makes me want to puke.
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(1) What is "SCAT" ?
Scat was a term that originated in Jazz music.
You know, similar to "doobie-do-wop-de-du-do",... and such when they forgot the words or wanted to give the melodies some beat accents.
The "cats" of Jazz sooner or later referred to it as "talking Sh**".
Then, some silly pornographer comes along and with a nose full of coke takes things a little to liberally.
Next thing that you know there is naked people playing in and eating shit,....and that, is shitty pornography.
Yeeeeccchhhhh!
(2) How would you know a transsexual (ftm or mtf) if you saw one?
Well, the answer is that if they have done a super job in their "transformation" you wouldn't be able to tell.
It is a very hard thing to learn to consistantly behave like a member of the opposite sex. (Not that I would ever want to, but it does apparently take some skill. Hell,...oh! forget it!)
If, however, they have done a poor MTF transformation, then their fingernails are dirty, they talk like Liberace, they walk like John Wayne or perhaps Steven Segal. You really would not want to fuck with them, one way or the other.
A poor FTM transfromation is somewhat easier to tell and harder still to accomplish. Mostly, these people look like mildly obeise men. It is possible to accomplish this, too.
(3) How would you respond to a transsexual once you knew that he/she was one?
Well, I'd change the subject and discuss the weather or perhaps a new movie that I had seen recently. It is for me a non-issue. If they want to discuss it with you they will bring it up. Mostly, try to be nice. Life is generally hard enough for these poor people.
However, if they show up on the Jerry Springer Show, then they are fair game and deserve whatever they get.
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Scat was a term that originated in Jazz music.
You know, similar to "doobie-do-wop-de-du-do",... and such when they forgot the words or wanted to give the melodies some beat accents.
The "cats" of Jazz sooner or later referred to it as "talking Sh**".
Then, some silly pornographer comes along and with a nose full of coke takes things a little to liberally.
Next thing that you know there is naked people playing in and eating shit,....and that, is shitty pornography.
Yeeeeccchhhhh!
(2) How would you know a transsexual (ftm or mtf) if you saw one?
Well, the answer is that if they have done a super job in their "transformation" you wouldn't be able to tell.
It is a very hard thing to learn to consistantly behave like a member of the opposite sex. (Not that I would ever want to, but it does apparently take some skill. Hell,...oh! forget it!)
If, however, they have done a poor MTF transformation, then their fingernails are dirty, they talk like Liberace, they walk like John Wayne or perhaps Steven Segal. You really would not want to fuck with them, one way or the other.
A poor FTM transfromation is somewhat easier to tell and harder still to accomplish. Mostly, these people look like mildly obeise men. It is possible to accomplish this, too.
(3) How would you respond to a transsexual once you knew that he/she was one?
Well, I'd change the subject and discuss the weather or perhaps a new movie that I had seen recently. It is for me a non-issue. If they want to discuss it with you they will bring it up. Mostly, try to be nice. Life is generally hard enough for these poor people.
However, if they show up on the Jerry Springer Show, then they are fair game and deserve whatever they get.
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luvpain (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2002 10:30 am SCAT is basically playing whit shit.
I have seen photos of SCAT where people are covered in shit, and a few where they are actually eating shit.
For some reasons just thinking about that makes me want to puke.
Sort of gives meaning to the phrase..."eat shit and die"...
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A-1 (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2002 11:01 am Sort of gives meaning to the phrase..."eat shit and die"...
Somehow I can imagine dieing from gagging on the shit if I tried to eat it :tongueout
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Sorry that I ask. That is really disgusting.
That's No Problem Allison. I'm still learning new things here and with my BSDM interest all the time. Well at least A-1 didn't post any photos of that for eveeryone to see.
That's No Problem Allison. I'm still learning new things here and with my BSDM interest all the time. Well at least A-1 didn't post any photos of that for eveeryone to see.
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...some things are just too shitty even for my taste. I draw the line at playing in poop. That is why I stopped reading "Crucifems". Too many shit suppers.
Yeeecccchhhhhh!
Well,
Whenever I see that I want to give the girl a hosing, bath, shower and then if she is extra good-looking a "good" hosing.
After all, if she will eat shit she would probably hump an old geezer like me, too.
Ya just have to wear a good condom & be careful not to kiss her. It's a good way to get hepatitis.
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Yeeecccchhhhhh!
Well,
Whenever I see that I want to give the girl a hosing, bath, shower and then if she is extra good-looking a "good"
hosing.
After all, if she will eat shit she would probably hump an old geezer like me, too.
Ya just have to wear a good condom & be careful not to kiss her. It's a good way to get hepatitis.
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Hi all--
And now we have our unwanted publicity in a major national publication. <sigh> One of these days it will become clear to the world that there is a whole segment of the male population that is o.k. with no longer being part of the gene pool.
On top of that, the shrinks try to fit it into what they know (he wants his testicles gone, so he must want to be a woman...) That's not it. The medical community needs to come to the understanding that we are not wackos. We need sincere diologue with the medical community soon. Preferably before someone dies from undergoing an underground castration.
I know it's been said a million times, but women can nearly go in and say they want their female parts removed without a lot of questions. The medical community does it, then helps them with the aftercare. Why is it so difficult to help a man get rid of his guy parts? Are they afraid we will jump off the table and steal the scalpel from them and turn them into a eunuch?
I'd be o.k. going through a 6 months to a year of chemical castration to find out, but the (excuse me) fucking medical establishment won't even give us that chance.
I hope we can get that changed soon. I know the survey that is out there is supposed to be forwarded to a medical professional. At least we have one or two that are listening.
I'm off my soapbox now...
And now we have our unwanted publicity in a major national publication. <sigh> One of these days it will become clear to the world that there is a whole segment of the male population that is o.k. with no longer being part of the gene pool.
On top of that, the shrinks try to fit it into what they know (he wants his testicles gone, so he must want to be a woman...) That's not it. The medical community needs to come to the understanding that we are not wackos. We need sincere diologue with the medical community soon. Preferably before someone dies from undergoing an underground castration.
I know it's been said a million times, but women can nearly go in and say they want their female parts removed without a lot of questions. The medical community does it, then helps them with the aftercare. Why is it so difficult to help a man get rid of his guy parts? Are they afraid we will jump off the table and steal the scalpel from them and turn them into a eunuch?
I'd be o.k. going through a 6 months to a year of chemical castration to find out, but the (excuse me) fucking medical establishment won't even give us that chance.
I hope we can get that changed soon. I know the survey that is out there is supposed to be forwarded to a medical professional. At least we have one or two that are listening.
I'm off my soapbox now...
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Losethem (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2002 6:39 am
That kind of thinking probably goes back to when most doctors were males. They thought that the penis and testicles were a vital part of being of being a man and the greatest thing that a woman could desire. All that a woman really needed was a vagina to be happy and please her partner. Will that attitude change now that we have many woman doctors?
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Losethem (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2002 6:39 am
I don't know if that is completely accurate. I don't think that women would have much luck showing up wanting a double mastectomy without a strong family history of breast cancer.
In addition, if they wanted their external genitalia removed, a clitroidectomy, vaginectomy and labia removal they would probably be shunned as a "nut case". A woman attempting to get that done would end up on the psychiatrist's couch beside all of the Eunuch wanna-be's.
I am not saying that it is right, I am just saying that is how it is. For the most part, women may want a hysterectomy to rid themselves of the menstrual cycle, but there is not a big request for ovary removal without a strong family history of ovarian cancer.
So there you have it. My opinion for what it is worth...
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(1) What is "SCAT" ?
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1) well, that's already been discussed. Suffice to say that not many people even want to know about that subject. For most people, "latex marital aids" are a bizarre subject. they consider condoms as far out, not to mention the extra, large, jumbo, vibrating, duper-soft, gel-like "member" that somes in three neon colors...... but I digress!!!! As the saying goes, if your orbit is as way out as Mars, even Jupiter seems extreme. And if you are out at Pluto, you are really a rare bird!!!
2) Depends on if you could tell that they are transsexuals. We had one at work and one week he was a "he" and the next week he was a "she" and I saw her a few times after that. She made an OK looking woman, and now she is "she" and that is how I would refer to her. Even when I tell people the complete story, at the point where he had to start living as a woman, she became "she" ... Guys and girls (from birth) who worked with her on a daily basis in the same laboratory treated her as a she. There wasn't much else to do... Unless you were stupid and wanted in on all the chaos that was "his" life before the change.
3) As for whatever sex he or she wants to be. . . . . I believe in giving people what they want. If you like the name "Billy Joe Jim Bob" then that's what I would call you. If you want the name "Shirley bacon toast" then that's what I would call you. It's no skin off my nose to do that. - - - And people have the right to dress strangely, talk strangely and behave strangely without getting my permission. In all honesty, she was a very nice person and I was glad to see her a few years later successfully working and enjoying her life.
Dave
A-1 (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2002 10:51 am (2) How would you know a transsexual (ftm or mtf) if you saw one?
(3) How would you respond to a transsexual once you knew that he/she was one?
I have a few answers - -
1) well, that's already been discussed. Suffice to say that not many people even want to know about that subject. For most people, "latex marital aids" are a bizarre subject. they consider condoms as far out, not to mention the extra, large, jumbo, vibrating, duper-soft, gel-like "member" that somes in three neon colors...... but I digress!!!! As the saying goes, if your orbit is as way out as Mars, even Jupiter seems extreme. And if you are out at Pluto, you are really a rare bird!!!
2) Depends on if you could tell that they are transsexuals. We had one at work and one week he was a "he" and the next week he was a "she" and I saw her a few times after that. She made an OK looking woman, and now she is "she" and that is how I would refer to her. Even when I tell people the complete story, at the point where he had to start living as a woman, she became "she" ... Guys and girls (from birth) who worked with her on a daily basis in the same laboratory treated her as a she. There wasn't much else to do... Unless you were stupid and wanted in on all the chaos that was "his" life before the change.
3) As for whatever sex he or she wants to be. . . . . I believe in giving people what they want. If you like the name "Billy Joe Jim Bob" then that's what I would call you. If you want the name "Shirley bacon toast" then that's what I would call you. It's no skin off my nose to do that. - - - And people have the right to dress strangely, talk strangely and behave strangely without getting my permission. In all honesty, she was a very nice person and I was glad to see her a few years later successfully working and enjoying her life.
Dave
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Losethem (imported)
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Re: Castration can go wrong
A-1:
Point well made. Thanks for helping out. It's been a very eventful day in Losethem's household... for reasons other than my previous post.
I'll put it in a new thread on gay castration.
Point well made. Thanks for helping out. It's been a very eventful day in Losethem's household... for reasons other than my previous post.
I'll put it in a new thread on gay castration.
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Re: Castration can go wrong
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There are already many medical professionals that understand that many otherwise normal guys want their genitals, either or both their testes or cock, altered or removed. While my own doc disagreed with my decision to be nutted, I'm treated normally. He knows he doesn't have to feel my testes for lumps when I go for periodic exams. He's also let me know that he'll allow me to take the lead with respect to testosterone supplements - within reason.
My take on the problem is that there's enough popular prejudice against genital mods or removal that they won't be widely available soon. Doctors are just like humanity as a whole. Only a minority understand or accept the desires of people like us. It's the majority that establish the rules. If we're lucky the minority that understands or accepts may someday get their way, and they'll be able to assist those wanting these mods.
Losethem (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2002 6:39 am And now we have our unwanted publicity in a major national publication. One of these days it will become clear to the world that there is a whole segment of the male population that is o.k. with no longer being part of the gene pool.
On top of that, the shrinks try to fit it into what they know (he wants his testicles gone, so he must want to be a woman...) That's not it. The medical community needs to come to the understanding that we are not wackos. We need sincere diologue with the medical community soon. Preferably before someone dies from undergoing an underground castration.
I know it's been said a million times, but women can nearly go in and say they want their female parts removed without a lot of questions. The medical community does it, then helps them with the aftercare. Why is it so difficult to help a man get rid of his guy parts?
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There are already many medical professionals that understand that many otherwise normal guys want their genitals, either or both their testes or cock, altered or removed. While my own doc disagreed with my decision to be nutted, I'm treated normally. He knows he doesn't have to feel my testes for lumps when I go for periodic exams. He's also let me know that he'll allow me to take the lead with respect to testosterone supplements - within reason.
My take on the problem is that there's enough popular prejudice against genital mods or removal that they won't be widely available soon. Doctors are just like humanity as a whole. Only a minority understand or accept the desires of people like us. It's the majority that establish the rules. If we're lucky the minority that understands or accepts may someday get their way, and they'll be able to assist those wanting these mods.
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Re: Castration can go wrong
I am a 38 year old gay eunuch wannabe,I have kept it a secret in my head for many years because it's not really accepted and not legal.
I have read all the post about the Botched Castration,And I'm happy to hear that the victim is recovering well.
But I was really starting to look into getting castrated but Now that I read all the Horrror storys from amiture cutters,I don't know what to do,I hear great things about Dr.Specter and Kimmel but are they really credible since it's still ilegal? I guess I'll have to grit my teeth and go for the risky street cutters,since thats all we have.
~Ken
I have read all the post about the Botched Castration,And I'm happy to hear that the victim is recovering well.
But I was really starting to look into getting castrated but Now that I read all the Horrror storys from amiture cutters,I don't know what to do,I hear great things about Dr.Specter and Kimmel but are they really credible since it's still ilegal? I guess I'll have to grit my teeth and go for the risky street cutters,since thats all we have.
~Ken
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I'm afraid I may have confused IW2BAEunuch. I had chatted with him and told him that it is illegal. I should have said that going to a "street cutter" is illegal. Not for the eunuch, but for the person that is castrating the soon to be eunuch.
If one went to Dr's Kimmel and Spector, it would be legal and above board.
Sorry if I confused anyone.
If one went to Dr's Kimmel and Spector, it would be legal and above board.
Sorry if I confused anyone.
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Re: Castration can go wrong
/)luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:58 am Taken from
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62911420020823-080844.html)luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:58 am (http://www.clickondetroit.com/det/news/stories/news-1
0AK PARK, Mich.-- A man accused of performing a castration at his kitchen tab
iday.
Shou Shan Wang, 29, (pictured, left) is charged with one count of practicing medicine without a license and unlawful dispensing of a drug.
on Northfield Streetluvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:58 am Police say the procedure was performed on a dining room table inside an Oak Park home last June.
Lt. Bruce Smith said that the victim was found in front of the home
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after emergency medical services personnel received a call from a neighbor. When asked what happened, the Birminghamluvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:58 am man allegedly told officers that he had undergone a voluntary castration two hours earlier.
The victim was transported to Providence Hospital, where emergency surgery was performed to save his life following the botched removal of his testicles, according to Oakland County prosecutor David Gorcyca.
luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:58 am Investigators later searched the suspect's home and said that they found enough medical equipment and drugs to perform surgery.
The man, a Taiwanese national, told officersluvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:58 am that he learned to perform surgery from his grandparents, who were doctors. He performed his first procedure on a dog in Australia several years ago, Local 4 reported.
The victim arranged to meet the suspect over the Internet, Local 4 reported.
When the victim began bleeding following the operation, Wang told him to wait on the street while he called 911, according to prosecutors. The defendant did not call 911, prosecutors said.
a week prior to the incidentluvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:58 am Smith said that investigators found a pair of severed testicles in a Tupperware container in the suspect's refrigerator, which he reportedly says were from another man he castratedluvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:58 am . That procedure was done inside a van, Local 4 reported.
Dr. Gerald Shiener, a psychiatrist,luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:58 am said that there are some men who are so uncomfortable with sexual issues that they would rather undergo castration.
"There are always a handful of people who are so uncomfortable with sexual issues or so afraid of sexual issues that their only solution or only way out is to have those things cut out of them or cut off," said Shiener.
The suspect told detectives that he has performed similar surgeries on at least 50 other men.
Wang is in the United States on a student visa, which expired over a year ago, according to Gorcyca.
He pleaded not guilty to the charges Friday, and was released on bond.