Gynecomastia, an informal survey

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Gynecomastia, an informal survey

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After posting about an informal survey concerning hotlashes, it crossed my mind that there was another YMWV aspect of eunuch biology that might be surveyed.

Gynecomastia. An enlargement of the breasts

Please note that this is for those whose testosterone levels are at castrate levels, not wannabes, hanger-ons, and the like.

So what we would like is the reason you are at castrate levels. Surgical or chemical castration? Biological decline in testosterone, or perhaps as a result of other medications? After that, have you experienced any gynecomastia? If so, how much and how long did it take? Has it currently stopped or is it still growing?

In my case, I was surgically castrated 14 May 2001. In the last year, I seem to have a mild case resulting in size A cups, but that seems to have stopped. Just a mild redistribution of fat, I suppose. No big deal.

Yes, our MTFs are welcome to also post in this survey.

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I also got a bit of that, nothing too severe. I went through a fat-phase around age 10-12, and had it then, enough to the point that I wouldn't take my shirt off and wore larger shirts than fit right.

I don't think I've gained that much in the breast department in adulthood, though. Perhaps a bit, as Andrew mentions, of fat redistribution.
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Before I started HRT I had about an A-size cup, maybe because at around age 40 or so I felt a slight reduction in labido. Is it true that there is such a thing as middle-age menopause in males? A drop in testosterone levels would most likely be the apparent reason not just a lot of wishful thinking:D :D

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Yes, as time goes on, more and more medical research has found that men do go through a version of menopause. Just do a web search on 'andropause', and you'll find all the information you will need.

As for hot flashes, I have had some, but fortunately they weren't all that bad, and didn't last all that long. :) HRT really helps, too.

IEunuch.
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BossTamsin (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2002 12:47 pm As for hot flashes, I have had some, but fortunately they weren't all that bad, and didn't last all that long. :) HRT really helps, too.

IEunuch.

Are you saying that the Canadian Health System is allowing you testosterone again? Now that is good news indeed.

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Yes, despite Premier Campbell's cuts to the health system, and a recent series of job actions by the doctors, I managed to get a two-year exception for my testosterone. Shots only though, no pills, cremes, or patches. So as long as the supply holds up (manufacturer's shortages happen from time to time, as there is only one company making this stuff, to the best of my knowledge), I am back on the shots. 200mg (2ml), bi-weekly. I do not plan on missing any shots for as long as I can get them.

IEunuch.

(Now if only I could get ranitidine covered.....)
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BossTamsin (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2002 1:06 pm (Now if only I could get ranitidine covered.....)

And what is that?

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Hi Andrew,
Andrew (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2002 12:59 am After posting about an informal survey concerning hotlashes, it crossed my mind that there was another YMWV aspect of eunuch biology that might be surveyed.

Gynecomastia. An enlargement of the breasts

Please note that this is for those whose testosterone levels are at castrate levels, not wannabes, hanger-ons, and the like.

So what we would like is the reason you are at castrate levels. Surgical or chemical castration? Biological decline in testosterone, or perhaps as a result of other medications? After that, have you experienced any gynecomastia? If so, how much and how long did it take? Has it currently stopped or is it still growing?

Yes, our MTFs are welcome to also post in this survey.

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You will probably recall that I was on no HRT at all for the first 2.5 years after my castration, and during that time I had no breast growth. Being MtF, I was disappointed that castration alone did not cause gynecomastia for me.

But now my low dose of estrogen is giving me some breast growth.

:)
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Andrew (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2002 12:59 am Gynecomastia. An enlargement of the breasts
in MALES

I have changed the title on my reply, as Gynomastia refers to breast enlargement in males,

a species which I am no longer a member of.

During the 3Β½ years I lived as a Eunuch, I did have some breast growth,

(gynomastia at this stage, as I was still considered to be male),

in fact I got to be an A cup. :boobies:

(This was the period when I was not receiving HRT)

Now after some 3 years on female hrt,

my breasts have developed to being a C cup. 😲

The structure of them feels as if it has changed considerably, they are no longer just fatty deposits. I am quite sure that the change in how they feel (not just the size) is due to my milk ducts developing. My nipples have changed size and texture considerably as well. I guess I am one of the lucky transsexual women in the world, whose body is very sensitive to Oestrogens.

Note, the HRT I am taking also includes Progesterone, and is taken in a cycle to imitate the natural female hormone cycle. After altering the medication like this, I noticed my breasts really change from being fatty deposits, to being breasts. :D
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How can one tell the difference between breasts & just saggy pecs?
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madscientist (imported) wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2002 5:04 am How can one tell the difference between breasts & just saggy pecs?

a fair enough question, and one that I am honestly going to have difficulty answering...... but here goes anyway

As I said in my post "
Pippa (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2002 2:55 pm The structure of them feels as if it has changed considerably, they are no longer just fatty deposits. I am quite sure that the change in how they feel (not just the size) is due to my milk ducts developing.
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From my perspective, (being the person that can FEEL the sensations from having my breasts touched and masaged), I will try to explain what I meant by saying that the way they feel has changed...... I can feel internal structures INSIDE my breasts, these are not muscles, nor is it just a fatty deposit. There is in fact some structure inside each of my breasts that developed due to the hormone treatment. From my studying medical documemtation, I was able to find out that the female breasts as they mature develop milk producing ducts. These ducts will mature with time and the 'right' hormone levels.

This is where the progesterone comes in, it is the female hormone that helps support (maintain) pregnancy. During pregnancy the woman's progesterone level increases. During the woman's first pregnancy her milk ducts will mature as part of the effects from the hormone levels.

Now I am not taking progesterone in the sort of doses that would mimick being pregnant, I am taking it in the sort of doses that mimick 'normal' female levels, so my breasts have developed to the extent that would occur in a female that has not been pregnant. (One day I am planning on changing the dose for a few months to mimick pregnancy, just to see what it's like, and find out what effect it will have on my body.)

With the breasts development I have experienced, at first my breasts were very 'perky' and pointy, (this was when I was taking Oestrogen alone). After adding progesterone to my hormones, I noticed that my breasts changed shape and became much more rounded, more like a womans rather than a teenage girls. During this whole process I could feel when massaging my breasts, the development of the internal milk ducts. The whole breast development phase was also accompanied with great breast tenderness, at times it was painful to even WALK, let alone run.

I also do breast examinations, and soon I will get my first mammogram, because the risk of me developing breast cancer is similar to that of any other woman on long term HRT, and of a similar age.

I hope I have been able to explain that breasts are much more than just fatty deposits, and that there is a structure inside them that has sensation, and feels different when massaged. Afte 'saggy pecks' for a few years before starting my HRT, I can say that there is a real definate difference between that and true breasts.

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I would not have personally had a problem if I had been fortunate enough to have gynecomastia as a boy. However, it would not have been easy.

(1) I would have had to endure excessive teasing from the other boys. They would have called me a sissy girl and a pussy. I would have been a freak. I do not know how the girls would have felt about a boy with breasts.

(2) If I would have had breasts, my parents would have had them removed without even considering my feelings about them.

Other boys and society place a high value on boys fitting the sexual development profile. Any hint of femininity is not allowed.

It appears that girls are freer to be what ever they feel. Are girls as mean and discriminating as boys? Is society as harsh on them for being different?

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It would be a good idea if ALL men with breasts would get mammograms.
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madscientist (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2002 5:07 am It would be a good idea if ALL men with breasts would get mammograms.
My wife has told me how uncomfortable and painful those are. However, if you have breasts, I agree that you need periodic mammograms. Would seem strange having a lovely nurse give me a mammogram.
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The idea of a Mammogram for men is not so way off the mark and not just men with Gynecomastia.

Many people do not realise that men can get breast cancer and because of this the number of deaths of men who have been diagnosed with it is far higher than for women.

The reason is that because they are not aware of the problem men do not check their breasts for lumps and therefore when the problem becomes apparent it is often too late.

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Are men with breasts still allowed to go topless? Are they required to wear a bra top like women? Or just allow us to go topless, too. Why the difference?In fairness to everybody; if one has to cover-up, all should have to cover-up. Breasts or no breasts (big or small), why should there be any difference? "Shirts Required" means full shirts for men but only bra-tops for women, why?
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As far as I am concerned there should be one rule for both sexes. If a woman wants to go around bare breasted then she should.

A sideline on this is that a few years ago, one of the Australian states tried to bring in a ban on Women showing bare breasts. One journal immediately challenged it with a picture of a pair or large well formed breasts. When threatened with prosecution it was revealed that they actually belonged to a well known sportsman who had been a champion swimmer. Needless to say, the ban failed.

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The rule here in Germany is simple.

Women are allowed to go bare breast on beaches, parks for sun bathing and swimming baths, that do not specificely forbid it.

Men are allowed to go bear and hairy every where they want exept public buildings and most shops and restaurants wont allow it either.

I went swimming the other day in a public open air baths and I wasn't the only woman topless, some do and some are ashamed.

your antonia :boobies: :boobies: :boobies:
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Hmm, Well I think I'll stay away from the nude beaches for awhile. Will end up blinding people with all the Jewelry I have hanging between my legs. Plus I think many people would be speechless seeing my body mods. πŸ™„ :tongueout
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The female body is so beautiful. Lovely breasts and a nice smooth crotch. No unsightly body hair. I am rather envious. It is a disgrace to cover such beauty!
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Mac (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2002 7:32 am The female body is so beautiful. Lovely breasts and a nice smooth crotch. No unsightly body hair. I am rather envious. It is a disgrace to cover such beauty!

Especially those of us who "shave"!

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I was castrated 11 months ago and had taken Androcor for a year before that. I have about an A cup, my daughter told me in about another month I would need a trainning bra. All attending had a good laugh.

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Riverwind (imported) wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2003 12:06 pm I was castrated 11 months ago and had taken Androcor for a year before that. I have about an A cup, my daughter told me in about another month I would need a trainning bra. All attending had a good laugh.

River

I was castrated almost 27 months ago, and have been on estrogen (to deal with the hot flashes) for 14 months. I am a nice B cup. I may or may not wear a regular bra or a sports bra, as the situation demands, but it is no big deal one way or the other. :boobies:
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Andrew (imported) wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2003 12:53 pm I was castrated almost 27 months ago, and have been on estrogen (to deal with the hot flashes) for 14 months. I am a nice B cup. I may or may not wear a regular bra or a sports bra, as the situation demands, but it is no big deal one way or the other. :boobies:

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I was castrated in the first part of 97, that makes slightly over 7 years now. I have never received any hormones, and so what I have, is all mine. -s- a large A cup. The result of softening of my breast muscles, and the adding of "eunuch "subcutaneous fat. I have never been into "exercise" so I do not know their name, nor do I care to know.Sallimpone
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sal.limpone (imported) wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2003 7:18 pm -------------------------------------------

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I was castrated in the first part of 97, that makes slightly over 7 years now. I have never received any hormones, and so what I have, is all mine. -s- a large A cup. The result of softening of my breast muscles, and the adding of "eunuch "subcutaneous fat. I have never been into "exercise" so I do not know their name, nor do I care to know.Sallimpone

Aren't those the pectoral muscles?

I think this kid is finally weaning! Woohoo! *Passing the milk-making on to whomever wants it!!!*
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