Glandular - Mineral Therapy

[slave_jim (imported)]

Twice in my life I have taken a glandular/mineral therapy that, believe it or not, has somewhat diminished my sex drive and greatly diminished the sizes of my genitals. The effects are not permanent. I started this beginning in 1990, I believe, and got married so my performance and body were not affected long-term. The marriage was short-term.

I became interested in Boron when I learned that California NOW (National Organization for Women) wanted the state to add it to the drinking water to reduce the testosterone levels in men. The research that California NOW had done suggested that this would work. Lately, on the Internet, I have found testimony that Boron does reduces testosterone, actually increases testosterone, and has no effect on testosterone levels in a man. So, the jury is still out on that one.

Also, I discovered that I could purchase Ovary glandulars through any vitamin company. With the combination of taking several of these pills per day, I could see a change to my penis, testicles, and in my ejaculation. There was a company in Scottsdale, Arizona that offered Boron and raw Ovary in the same vitamin pill (for Women) but I have not been able to locate them in this decade. Their Women's vitamin pills were wonderful (for me), smooth, easy to swallow, and I used them as supplements to straight Ovary glandulars.

Anyway, I have started this self-treatment again and marvel at the results. My penis shrinks up to tiny size and my testicles usually ascend up into my body and are tight. This makes for a very nice, taut, little package up front with some spare room in my briefs. I like the feeling of being "flat" up front. It is not easy to fish my penis out to urinate; that is a bit of a problem. Usually there is not much to hang onto.

Because of the high temperatures this time of year (Arizona heat) sometimes my balls will hang lower.

Erections are harder to achieve. I no longer get turned on at all by pictures of Women or thoughts of vanilla sex. Being dominated and bossed around by my Goddess, however, is thrilling for me and that stimulates me. Also, pictures of men's cocks give me an instant hard-on if I fantasizing about sucking them or touching them. But overall, while taking these pills I cannot achieve a full erection. Also, the ejaculation is not worth the effort most of the time. Whatever (separate) sensations the sperm give during the orgasm are lessened somehow. The volume of ejaculate seems less and also seems more watery. Sometimes there will be a large ejaculation.

Does this really work, or is it all in my mind? Well, I have taken two recent vacations for family holidays and Father's Day and did not take my pills either time. I also had some blood work done for my physician to analyze so I laid off the pills then as well. Soon after I stop taking them, my penis will become greater than "head" size only and my balls droop. I find this disgusting and most uncomfortable.

Naturally, I am interested in finding additional, legal substances that I can take to help shrink up my penis. I have no idea how to go about getting estrogen and am aware that castration is a one-way final step. But this therapy works pretty good for me, and it is not expensive.

I am willing to discuss this in more detail and welcome comments from anyone.

- Jim

[slave_jim (imported)]

I've found some other various Women's vitamins and glandular tablets, so the changes are no longer part of my imagination.

For those who are interested: an ejaculation is no longer worth the trouble! I don't really feel any sensation and the volume of ejaculate has declined dramatically since I posted my last message. All I get is a daub of thick paste, it seems. I can feel that I am trying to force this outward, but there is not much to show, and feel, for it. In other words, the pleasure aspect is gone from my climax.

I would think this alone would eventually discourage me from masturbating, but of course it doesn't. Luckily I have found additional resources on the E.A. message board.

The temperatures have been going well over 108° for approx. two weeks now, so I cannot control how low my balls are hanging. They get fairly tight in the house and are hanging real low by the time I return home from work. Although the hot weather is probably also contributing to low sperm volume, I have never in my life had such small ejaculations before.

I like it.

- Jim

[slave_jim (imported)]

Good Morning!

I like to share information about glandulars in case others are interested in using them. Of course, realize you can purchase these gems legally in the U.S. from any online vitamin company. They might be a good start for many men considering low-level feminization.

In the middle of last week, I reached the zenith of glandular/mineral therapy when my ejaculations were next-to-nothing. (I am trying to eliminate the urge to masturbate, something I can't stop and have done daily and more than once per day sometimes). In my last post I spoke of a 'daub' of semen; well, it got less than that last Tue-Wed-Fri. I had no feeling whatsoever from the climax except for being conscious of the sperm traveling -- and it was just a drop that came out at the tip of my penis. Wonderful!

Now, the temperatures have exceeded 110° here so heat must have something to do with this. As mentioned before, these daubs and drops have never occurred before.

Thursday I received my first estrogen pack and started taking them. By Saturday (yesterday) my ejaculations had increased quite a bit with a larger volume of ejaculate. I imagine my body is trying a last-ditch effort to go wild with testosterone.

It is slowly becoming a fight to get aroused which is good. I have looked at previously stimulating photos and text (female and male biased) and have not been excited much. I am also keeping a journal of any changes I notice and will post them or put them on a web page somewhere as I accumulate more entries.

- Jim

[slave_jim (imported)]

I've been on estrogen for three weeks now.

As I mentioned previously, once I started taking the estrogens my ejaculations actually increased in volume. This continued for a while and I noticed instantly that these ejaculations were rather clear and watery compared to a normal ejaculation and certainly much different than my late-July results. My guess is that the glandular-concentrated "daubs" were thick with spermatozoa and the latter had considerably less sperm and more seminal fluid --> for whatever reason(s).

With the increased thinning and clearer fluid came more of a sensation during climax, possibly because seminal fluid alone has more acidity?

On the suggestion of CT212, I started taking low doses of spironolactone in addition to estrogen about one week ago.

I noticed about a week ago that I could no longer achieve a full, hard erection and also sensed from what erection I could get was a somewhat thinner shaft. The climaxes that I've achieved have been triggered by the brain -- just the right thoughts as usual -- at just the right time. It is quite difficult to get the penis from totally limp state to even begin to erect, then once that starts it will grow but not get totally hard -- close, though.

I went a few days last week without masturbating, tried on August 3rd (it was a struggle) and have not touched my member since except to pee. I have not been stimulated by text, messages, or pictures and have not looked for any stimulation in these last three days.

As I expected, my voice has become quite nasally. Previously, I had a rather deep-bass voice. My voice has not changed, but the depth has. It seemed that the "bottom" of my voice used to come from my throat, moved up into the nasal areas, and now seems to originate from inside my head (I know that is not possible; it is just how it seems). On Sunday I surprised myself as I spoke out loud during my desert walk -- it sounded like a sultry, deep woman's voice, very sexy.



If I can make it through today without whacking off I will be very happy. And, if this extends for several days, maybe the penis will start to stay small from neglect (we discussed this in detail on another thread). I woke this morning with a great, small, tight-pack, and I don't believe I've had nocturnal erections for several weeks.

- Jim

[CT212 (imported)]

Hi Slave_Jim,

I would just like to add a few comments here. As you know my doctor started me on estrogen only from May to July. This was different from my estrogen and anti-androgen therapy that I was taking. Although I could feel the estrogen effects, it was a bit different than before. What I mean is that I felt horny in a female sort of way. I know that this might sound strange, but it is the only way I know how to descibe it.

It wasn't untill July, when my doctor increased the estrogen and added anti-androgens, that the erections had begun to cease once again. Yes, it can be difficult to achive an erection, but it is possible. It's just that now, I no longer have a desire to do so, and when I do, it is just out of curiosity.

As far as the voice is concerned, and as much as I would like to have a feminine voice, that will not change. What does seem to happen is a physcological effect, a need if you will, to sound female. Remember the waves of emotion that I had been talking about, this could be the effect of having a female disposition. I have bought tapes, and read methods of training the voice, but the best I can get is a boyish sounding voice. I suspect that surgery is the only way to obtain a voice that is in the feminine range for me.

Well, I thought I could give you a little more insight as to what I have experienced so far.

Chris

[slave_jim (imported)]

Greetings, Chris!

Thank you for your comments.

It is interesting how the estrogen affects us in different ways. Or, we are perceiving this differently.

Addendum to my post yesterday:

1 - Obviously I wash thoroughly in the shower, so that is another time I touch my penis. I like it when things are small here as well.

2 - I didn't make it without masturbating yesterday. Like you, my curiosity was killing me so I managed to achieve probably a 75% erection and ejaculated (in the dark).

It is tough getting a whack-off session going with less than 2-inches of soft flesh in between one's fingers. In the past, the erection would occur first and then I would have something reasonably long and somewhat hard to grab. Now, although I feel the stimulation (from my brain) the penis stays at head-size only for quite a while before it grows.

I realize that my voice has not changed but the depth most definitely has. It would be sort of like listening to your favorite music (PC, stereo...) with your favorite settings and then killing all the bass or playing same music 'flat' again. It could be lack of vibrations. My nasal area has really been plugged, too, and that could be the cause of it. But I know for sure I am not feeling my voice in my throat --- it's all in my head now --- whether I am crazy or not!

- Jim

[slave_jim (imported)]

Being a Dutch-German, I have an incredible desire for beer as a refreshment.

Since I started HRT, I have lost some of my taste for beer... hmmm. This might be a good thing (lose some bloat), save some money, but it's also unacceptable.

Time to weigh in all the possibilities!

- Jim

[Christina (imported)]

Being a Dutch-German, I have an incredible desire for beer as a refreshment.

Since I started HRT, I have lost some of my taste for beer... hmmm. This might be a good thing (lose some bloat), save some money, but it's also unacceptable.

Time to weigh in all the possibilities!

I too have a bit of German in me. Both my grandparents on my mother's side were of German decent. I have never been much of a beer drinker, but I do love food, and that was my downfall. About 12-15 years ago I just started letting myself go. I didn't care about weight gain or health problems and I have gotten much overweight. But since I have been on HRT, I have seen a new outlook on myself. I am watching what I eat and going in for checkups now. I no longer desire snacks after dinner and I have lost a good bit of weight this year alone, 34 pounds off since February! And I know I lost some last year too, but I did not keep track, it was probablly 20-30 pounds also. Most of my clothes do not fit anymore and I am having to buy new ones. It is a good feeling to know that I am losing the pounds. The bottom line is that without the HRT, I most likely would have continued on the path of self destruction. It really has changed my life for the better.

[slave_jim (imported)]

I didn't make it without masturbating yesterday. Like you, my curiosity was killing me so I managed to achieve probably a 75% erection and ejaculated (in the dark).

As I look at my previous post and also at the calendar, I am pleased to report that it has been a full week since I last masturbated. If I can make it thru today, that will give me about eight days!

I am delighted!

But this realization is stimulating in itself... so I hope I can at least make it to the weekend or even achieve a goal of two weeks without ejaculating. The challenge of course, is curiosity.

Although I continue my HRT, this weekend I went to two Diamondbacks' games. I felt as if I was given a boost of testosterone and my voice assumed its' original, deeper tone. Could it be from cheering and talking about the game? Unknown.

- Jim

[slave_jim (imported)]

Greetings to all!



Well, one of the goals of HRT is to reduce this need for masturbating! I am very pleased to report that I went approx. 204 hours (not quite nine days) without. I can live with that, for sure.

My curiosity was peaking on Wednesday P.M. and I had an explosion of near-clear seminal fluid (no white) that also seemed quite acidic, sharp. The after-feeling was pretty good (bites) and of course the flesh buzzed from not having any friction for a while.

I repeated this on Thursday P.M. and had another forceful detonation of clear fluid. Viscosity is way down; it seems more like a lube jell. No doubt anyone who felt this force would enjoy it internally. Again, I felt the sting of the fluid(s) and I started to hum. My erections were not quite 100%.

Ms. XNoCTuRNaLRoSeX will be biting me with her fangs and I know this will be a huge turn-on. I will only allow HER to do this to me. Hopefully, she will be going for my neck as I submit to Her.

Does anyone else have reports of changing ejaculate, volume, viscosity, surges, feelings, messes to clean up, etc.? Would love to read more!

- Jim

[Christina (imported)]

Does anyone else have reports of changing ejaculate, volume, viscosity, surges, feelings, messes to clean up, etc.? Would love to read more!

Just the other day, I think it was Tuesday, I had an ejaculation. Not because I needed too, but I wanted to see if there were any changes. Yes, I am glad to report that there was hardly no sperm or fluid, and it did sting slightly. My HRT must be working because I have never seen a lesser amount before. The climax did not last as long and no fluid to speak of. I love not having to think about sex all the time and I can go for long periods now without doing anything.

[slave_jim (imported)]

Greetings!

In late August I had an unusual experience that I shared with Christina in a private message: I was in the Baltimore/Washington area for a week on a business trip... After a couple days, I couldn't wait to check out my ejaculations so I masturbated and all I got was a few weak sprinkles of what looked like water. I tried it again the next day and it was the same. There was no viscosity at all (or white) and my ejaculation looked more like clear raindrops rather than semen. I was psyched and pretty happy with this. Sensations were limited.

I've been on HRT now (with Spirotone) for three months. I'm very pleased to report that my whole package seems smaller than when I was on a purely glandular/mineral therapy. I continue the use of glandulars and try to remember to take Boron but that is the one thing I forget. My penis in its' natural state is like a small button. Often my balls are tight in the scrotum, but at times they will hang down, too, probably from afternoon warmth. I prefer it when they ascend as much as possible. I cannot tell if they have become smaller, and three months has probably not caused any shrinkage yet. My ejaculations are very weak. Although there is some viscosity and white, it's like nothing I've seen before. I preferred the sprinkles of clear water I had in Maryland and wondered if airplane travel caused that. Volume is way, way down and there is no force whatsoever. Even the water sprinkles, as little as that was, had at least some force.

More in the following post.

- Jim

[slave_jim (imported)]

Some men posting on this board have mentioned how disgusted they are with nocturnal erections. I used to have them and wake up with them often, but never since July. Usually now when I wake up I have my normal miniature "button" penis (which is hard to grab) but it can grow quickly with any stimulating thought.

In the past I had a proud erection of 6¼" which of course is only average. The best I can achieve now is 4¾" and believe me, it is a strain to get it. The 4¾" measurement is when I am, fortunate or unfortunate depending on how you look at it, totally erect and straining for maximum hardness that is rarely achieved.

I can go many days without masturbating, but that old curiosity and pleasure seeking takes over. Most of the time I climax with a rod that is mostly limp and bendable, and not at the "full" length of 4¾". I discussed ejaculations in my previous message.

The smaller penis... is it due solely to estrogen or due to age? Perhaps it is a combination of that plus glandulars, but I have not noticed the obviously shorter penis until recently. This is in conflict with information at www.sissify.com which clearly states that taking estrogens and other female hormones will not reduce the size of the penis. The House of Sissify also mentions that fertility is permanently lost after some long duration of HRT (for males). I find the website information-packed. Although the goal of the site is different from my own, I enjoy reading and doing the research on particular vitamins and herbs used for feminization. This will help guide me further on my journey.

Estrogen has not altered my moods or emotions...yet. One thing that Sissify.com mentions is dry skin (during HRT) and that is something I have noticed for sure. When my penis does erect, the skin has breaks just below the head and yesterday I noticed dry skin flakes on most of the upper shaft. Although I use plenty of aloe vera gel to help repair the skin of the penis, it continues to crack. Guess that is my punishment or warning, huh?

Of course, my main goal is to really reduce ejaculating and eliminate stimulating thoughts. Masturbation is indeed a chore (now), so why bother? I think at this point I will look into additional "feminine" herbs before taking more drastic action such as Androcur, etc.

Thanks for reading!

- Jim

[Christina (imported)]

I haven't heard from you in a while. I am glad you are doing ok and that your HRT is working for you. I too am having similar reactions as you being on HRT. I would like to mention that I am going back to my doctor on Tuesday for an evaluation and blood tests. I will give you an update then, although it may take several more days to get the results back on the blood tests.

As far as atrophy goes, I notice periods of shrinkage and growth. I still think my hormone levels need to be adjusted a little more, as it has been slow going to get where I am at now. I am curious to see if my doctor will change my intake of hormones again.

At this time masturbation is not an issue for me. I have even attempted to masturbate and then given up without any frustrations. I don't care about it at all any more, really. It is one less thing that I am concerned with now.

Thank's for keeping us informed of your progress.

[sag111 (imported)]

This is interesting CHRISTIANA i read in one of your previous posts that since you started on hrt you have lost waight. I have been on depo provera for four monthes now and this is the first time in my life i am watching wy waight .I have lost 15 pounds so far. I also am not eating after dinner snacks somthing i used to love to do. Maby it has somthing to do with our sence of well beaing. As for masturbation is concerned it has been over two monthes and i do not have any desire any more it is the best i have ever felt. CHRISTIANA i have been reading your articles for some time now and i hope that some day your dreams will come true

[slave_jim (imported)]

At this time masturbation is not an issue for me. I have even attempted to masturbate and then given up without any frustrations. I don't care about it at all any more, really. It is one less thing that I am concerned with now.

Hi, Christina!

Whow, I am happy for you! That is where I want to get -- to forget about masturbation.

One thing that is frustrating me is diet, energy, and of course a limited taste for beer which I mentioned before. Now that the MLB playoffs are going, I would really like to get the BBQ going and enjoy the games. Of course, it is more healthy for me to *not* drink so much beer, but this has been a drastic lifestyle change for me.

Starting Thursday, Oct. 3 and continuing on thru this morning, my breasts have really become tender (almost sore) and the center of the areola (nipple) is sticking out like it is stimulated. I have felt tingling before but never this soreness. I enjoy this change.

Thanks for posting.

- Jim

[Christina (imported)]

To sag111,

From February of this year to date, I have now lost 44 lbs. I think most of it is due to the hot weather and working harder at my job. Over the past three week's losing weight has been a little harder. The cooler temperature may have something to do with it. I have been +/- 5 lbs and have seemed to level off. A sence of well-being is, for the most part, one of the reasons for losing this weight. I do ocasionally cheat on my diet and I am looking into an exercise program to add to my regiment. I still need to lose more weight.

To Jim,

Since I have been under my doctors care, I have not had any breast tenderness until 4 days ago. One of the things I have posted before, was that I was on my own regiment of HRT. During that time I did get the breast tenderness. The first thing I noticed is just behind the areola, a sore lump will accure, this is normal. With continued use of HRT, the tenderness spreads out around the areola and I felt small nodules forming, these are the ductile tissues of the breast growing. As the breast grows, this tenderness can be quite noticable, especialy when bumped or jarred. Myself having a fair amount of growth already, notice that when walking down stairs or riding in a car on a bumpy road, they tend to hurt a little. I don't mind this at all, it give me reassurance that the HRT is working! As for how much growth one can expect, it is up to family genetics. Right now, my breasts are still small compared with the rest of my body, but with continued HRT, they may grow to a proportion I will be satisfied with. Only time will tell.

[slave_jim (imported)]

As the breast grows, this tenderness can be quite noticable, especialy when bumped or jarred. Myself having a fair amount of growth already, notice that when walking down stairs or riding in a car on a bumpy road, they tend to hurt a little. I don't mind this at all, it give me reassurance that the HRT is working!

Christina,

Thank you for sharing.

As you know I've been and am still pretty heavy. I've lost about 10 lbs. since starting to participate on the Eunuch Archive. So, I had some very slight breast growth (obvious fat) prior to HRT.

But now, my breasts are somewhat visually larger and they feel bigger to me, too. The feeling is what I also enjoy. I especially like feeling the weight of them and fullness when at my computer. They are not rounded beautifully like the female breasts, though -- they have a more of a width than a vertical growth. I can feel them against the inside of my arms.

As of today, my nipples are still sore. I was really happy when I felt the tingling a couple months ago and I hope that comes back.

These larger breasts will be a problem for me, though, if I wear tight shirts. If it continues I might have to wear a t-shirt to keep them pressed in. Of course my concern is having large boobs at work.

- Jim

[Andrew (imported)]

These larger breasts will be a problem for me, though, if I wear tight shirts. If it continues I might have to wear a t-shirt to keep them pressed in. Of course my concern is having large boobs at work.

If that is the case, you might try what I use at work, a sports bra that compresses as well as supports. Plenty of variaty to be found, and you should be able to find one that suits you. I use an IN SPORT "Elitist", size 40. Good for A, B, or C sizes.

[slave_jim (imported)]

If that is the case, you might try what I use at work, a sports bra that compresses as well as supports. Plenty of variaty to be found, and you should be able to find one that suits you. I use an IN SPORT "Elitist", size 40. Good for A, B, or C sizes.

Andrew, thank you.

Does this sports bra show lines or outlines in your shirts?

Well, the pictures are attached from what I found. It looks very comfortable and I suppose it can't really be detected.

I bet Christina will like this as well. I hope these can be ordered or purchased in the U.S.

- Jim

[slave_jim (imported)]

"Established 1997 Serving customers online since 1999.

"The Elitist Bra is made of supersoft Hydrasuede, a combination of supplex and lycra. Combined with a coolmax/lycra liner, it will wick and disperse moisture in a flash, all the while staying soft against your skin. It has a t-back design for freedom of motion, and a 1" elastic band for additional support.

"The editors at Runner's World had this to say: "This was one of the more popular sports bras among our testers. We all have at least one in our closet. As one runner said, 'This sports bra is so comfortable, I actually forgot I had it on.'" (from RW Online) This bra is best for smaller breasted women (A-B cups) in high impact activities, and larger sizes in lower impact activities. Measure around the bottom band for your size."

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/trfitness/inelsporbra.html

- Jim

[Andrew (imported)]

Does this sports bra show lines or outlines in your shirts

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If you wear only a T-shirt or tight fitting shirt, maybe. Wear a loose fitting patterned shirt and you should be OK. And if somebody does notice something, and you don't want to admit wearing a bra, just say it is a back support.

[Mac (imported)]

Does this sports

bra show lines or outlines in your shirts?

... if somebody does notice something, and you don't wa

nt to admit wearing a bra, just say it is a back support.Does that really work? If so, it would have to be white and not a colored one like on slave_jim's linked site.

[Christina (imported)]

Yes I am looking into something just like this. I want comfort, and this appears to be very comfortable. Thank's again for the pictures and links.

[Andrew (imported)]

Yes I am looking into something just like this. I want comfort, and this appears to be very comfortable. Thank's again for the pictures and links.

It is comfortable for a few hours. But I will admit that after wearing it all day at work, I promptly remove it when I get home. NOTE: If you have chest hair around your breasts, you will be more comfortable if you shave off the hair.