Glandular - Mineral Therapy

[Blaise (imported)]

Wow, thank you for these ideas. If my tee-tee were simply to disappear into my body, I would be utterly thrilled. The idea of it shrinking away to nothing sounds delightful. I have gone about four months without successful masturbation, but I still tug away on my little nub for hours. Of course, I never really have anyting resembling a read ejaculation. I get only some wetness, no thick, white semen.

What's so bad about masturbation? Why do you guys want to stop?

[slave_jim (imported)]

Wow, thank you for these ideas. If my tee-tee were simply to disappear into my body, I would be utterly thrilled. The idea of it shrinking away to nothing sounds delightful.

I have gone about four months without successful masturbation, but I still tug away on my little nub for hours. Of course, I never really have anyting resembling a read ejaculation. I get only some wetness, no thick, white semen.

What's so bad about masturbation? Why do you guys want to stop?

Old Softee,

You are welcome on the ideas. I love discussing glandular, mineral, and HR therapies. If you are getting a wetness, isn't that a successful masturbation? It is obviously a climax.

Obviously we here want to change our bodies -- for different reasons and for different results. There is nothing wrong with masturbation, but I am tired of doing it so frequently. I would not like to be "stimulated" constantly...

Some of the folks posting in the E.A. have constant painful nocturnal erections, which they want to stop. I've not had any nocturnal erections for many months -- I guess a nocturnal erection for me is anything that is longer than just the head (of the penis) -- button size.

- Jim

[slave_jim (imported)]

Good Morning!

Last night I could barely get my penis up, and what I could get was not hard at all. Maximum length was 4½", so I lost another ¼" -- for this masturbation session anyway. If I lose another ¼" I will have lost two inches on my penis length in the last six months. The skin is very dry and cracks, even though it is not being stretched to [former] maximum length and hardness.

I went for a couple days without masturbating, which was fine. One of my goals, as mentioned earlier, is to decrease and minimize masturbating. Hopefully a year from now I can write that all the curiosity of my body changing has worn off and I'll masturbate 12x per year or less.

By the way, my climax was diminished (sensations) and my ejaculation -- if you can call it that -- had returned to sprinkles of water with just a little white in. That made me happy, as I was very, very pleased with only clear fluid in Maryland in August.

So for those who are reading this thread for the first time, I would say that my personal experience of using glandulars, minerals, and hormones has resulted in totally diminished ejaculation(s) in these deterioration steps:

1 - Powerful normal ejaculations with various volumes, viscosities, and length of spray. Exciting sensations accompany the climax.

2 - Blobs of thick liquid, almost paste-like that travel through the penis and emerge rather than spurt out.

3 - Daubs, or a single daub of gel that appears at climax -- it does not have enough force to leave the head. It is usually thick.

4 - Ooze. A mixture of white and clear that basically just appears. It is pretty runny. By this time there is almost no sensation or thrill during climax.

5 - Variety sprinkles of mostly water. Sometimes I have totally clear water (like in MD two days in-a-row) and sometimes there is just a bit of white. These tend to dance away from the penis tip because they are so light. There is no force at all; it's sort of like a small hole in paper cup with water dribbling out.

Obviously I hope someday that #5 is all I can achieve on a normal basis and at those times, clear water only. A dry climax would be very pleasing. The lack of anything viscous in the seminal fluid completely reduces the "thrill" of a climax... thus, there is no feeling of anything traveling through the shaft or emerging from the tip. You know the climax occurs, but all you see is water trickle out and you really don't feel it.

My penis has become so tiny when flaccid that my balls actually make up a larger portion of my package now. I consider an erection to be anything bigger than just the head (button-size).

Thank you for reading!

- Jim

[slave_jim (imported)]

It is comfortable for a few hours. But I will admit that after wearing it all day at work, I promptly remove it when I get home. NOTE: If you have chest hair around your breasts, you will be more comfortable if you shave off the hair.

Thank you, Andrew. I found some different sports bras that were pretty inexpensive. Maybe I'll try to experiment with them for sizing. There was a clearance item for $9-$10 at one website and it was in XL, which might not be big enough for me.

I will probably have to go shopping in the "Just My Size" areas... for now. Chest hair is *not* a problem for me.

- Jim

[Blaise (imported)]

I don't get the feeling of an ejaculation-- the sense of climax or completion. The fluid has been clear for a long time when I have had ejaculations. There is little volume. In the past, my erect penis was about six inches. It was a thin, beautiful cock. Now, I have this little flacid things that never gets longer than maybe and inch and a half. It has been really tiny.

Before I took my medications, I used to make love or masturbation [or both] at least once daily. Later, I went for months without any sex or any desire. I think the longest such period was about two years.

However, after reading this board during the night, I have a semi-flacid four inches this morning. I am going to try to beat off before I go to work.

[Blaise (imported)]

Your desciptions fit with what I experience. Just some wetness without any force. I still have desire, however, which after years without libido is strange and actually kinda thrilling.

I still want my penis to shrink to a little nub. I like longing without relief. I know that may seem weird, but that's where I am just now.

It just doesn't stay up. I have tried to get off since I first posted this message. All I have is this little nub. Press, tug, pull, beat, whatever, nothing but a bit of lubrication.

[slave_jim (imported)]

I don't get the feeling of an ejaculation-- the sense of climax or completion. The fluid has been clear for a long time when I have had ejaculations. There is little volume. In the past, my erect penis was about six inches. It was a thin, beautiful cock. Now, I have this little flacid things that never gets longer than maybe and inch and a half. It has been really tiny.

Before I took my medications

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Old Softee, it is great to read about someone else who is undergoing the same changes and you also seem to be thrilled with having a much smaller penis! I love this change.

Earlier this morning, I was curious again and I masturbated. I could not get an erection at all! It stayed totally limp for quite some time. That feeling (sort of a helplessness) was enjoyable, so I'm looking forward to the day when maybe I'll no longer have erections or I give up trying. Even when I struggle to get an erection, as soon as I take my hand away it (whatever hardness I achieve) gets limp in a hurry.

Just because I want a small or non-erect penis doesn't mean I don't like cocks. I think they are beautiful! I would not say that I am gay, but I probably have bisexual tendencies and attractions.

May I ask what medications you are taking?

Thanks for posting.

- Jim

[Blaise (imported)]

I'm on Paxil but I've was also for years on other antidepressant meidcation. You describe my feeling exactly. I too love cocks. I'm probably bi-sexual though I've never made it with a guy--just never met anyone with whom I wanted to make it so maybe, not). I love the "feeling of helpllessness" you describe. I loved my beautiful cock before medication and age. It was quite beautiful. Now I love taping my little weenie into my body. I love the frustration of not being able to get it up and get it off.

I really most want a woman I love to make fun of me trying to lubricate my little weenie. I love going down on a woman, but I haven't made love in over a decade.

[slave_jim (imported)]

You describe my feeling exactly. I too love cocks. I'm probably bi-sexual though I've never made it with a guy--just never met anyone with whom I wanted to make it. I love the "feeling of helpllessness" you describe. I loved my beautiful cock before medication and age. It was quite beautiful. Now I love taping my little weenie into my body. I love the frustration of not being able to get it up and get it off.

Old Softee,

Whow -- it is amazing; we really have the same feelings -- or it seems so. The feeling of helplessness is quite exquisite although eventually I do get a partial erection (nothing solid anymore). I've been yearning for this for some time. Our postings have generated some enthusiasm for me so I have been experimenting... yes, more masturbating! But, I almost experienced a dry climax earlier tonight and it was very rewarding. At climax I expected to feel a surge -- I did, but nothing was there except for a drop of moisture. It literally felt like a surge of air and had me groping for contents.

I am very interested in cocks and always have been. Even though my own member may be shrinking, I am hoping to some day play with and grip other men's penises. I'm optimistic that I will find someone who is large and hard. That's the best turn-on of all.

- Jim

[slave_jim (imported)]

Greetings!

My breasts have been tender and sore for about a week now. I feel that there has been some ongoing growth this week, and it is particularly noticeable tonight. Usually I could feel additional flesh (and fatty tissue... breasts) pressing against my inner arms and rubbing but tonight I have true awareness of a presence in front of me. My breasts can be cupped in front, underneath. Most of the mass is off to the side (towards the inner arm) and there is a substantial amount of breast to grab and it feels good. Oh, my breasts are nowhere as large as an average Woman and as mentioned before, they do not have the pleasing Female shape.

Many years ago when I was a very skinny and light man, I performed various exercises as depicted in Women's fitness magazines that claimed to help firm up the breasts. Of course then I had barely any fat, so these exercises were futile except for gaining arm strength. If I do these exercises now, my boobs stick out dramatically. Maybe they would firm up as well over time.

My skeleton is a man's skeleton, so I think that is causing the weird shape of my breasts. A Woman's breasts are nice and round.

- Jim

[slave_jim (imported)]

Greetings!

Well, I have been very pleased after just over three months of HRT. My whole package has shrunk to mini-size (not infantile, but boy size) and it seems smaller each day. This morning will mark two or three full days without masturbation attempts or ejaculation. Last night I tried playing with it but there was no response. Although I am sure I would have been able to get the penis to move and thicken eventually, I gave up.

The one thing that I don't need or want is breast development. Oh -- believe me, I don't mind it personally because it is quite lovely but professionally it's just not an option for me now. My breasts seem to grow each day, especially after being released from a pullover shirt or t-shirt. They have been sore for almost three weeks. It is quite obvious that I have boobs (when shirtless) and even the areolas have changed. They seem to be wider (not a perfect circle) and truly resemble a Woman's areolas but are very light and pink, not brown. The nipples protrude most of the time but that's probably because I'm feeling my breasts.

As much as I hate to, I am going to taper off the estrogen at least until the tenderness goes away. I believe the Spirotone is doing a great job sterilizing me whether temporary or permanent. I just received an order of Promensil yesterday and will supplement that with phyto-estrogens and Black Cohosh. Of course I'll continue with my Ovary glandulars and Boron.

I know that the hormones are more powerful and I love them, but my goal has not been to turn female even though I have no objection to this. If anyone has experience with plant estrogens and "feminizing" herbal supplements, please post here so we can discuss. There is plenty of

information at www.sissify.com

on various herbs and such.

This morning I woke up and I was cold even though it is 80° in here so I put a t-shirt on. Yesterday was my first Promensil tablet. Normally I open the window and have a fan blowing cool morning air into my house. Not this morning, though.

Also, it's too early to jump to conclusions but I do feel very feminine this morning, kind and considerate, and very gentle.

- Jim

[happousai (imported)]

>

If anyone has experience with plant estrogens and

> feminizing" herbal supplements, please post here so we

> can discuss.

I have been taking 6 capsules of Evanesce per day (http://www.myevanesce.com/) since around the beginning of the month. (I had to stop taking it before due to family interference. I am secretly taking it again now.) The site claims that Evanesce has the most powerful testosterone suppressors available without a prescription.

I've noticed a less in aggression, sex drive, as well as less spontaneous erections. The erections aren't completely gone, though. Herbal products aren't that powerful.

About a week ago, I had a nocturnal emission. However, the volume of fluid was less than normal and it made less of a mess.

[slave_jim (imported)]

I have been taking 6 capsules of Evanesce per day (http://www.myevanesce.com/) since around the beginning of the month. (I had to stop taking it before due to family interference. I am secretly taking it again now.) The site claims that Evanesce has the most powerful testosterone suppressors available without a prescription.

I've noticed a less in aggression, sex drive, as well as less spontaneous erections. The erections aren't completely gone, though. Herbal products aren't that powerful.

About a week ago, I had a nocturnal emission. However, the volume of fluid was less than normal and it made less of a mess.

Wonderful -- thank you for posting Happousai!

I have looked into Evanesce before and it seems to be a product that is a possibility for me... thanks for the endorsement.

Although they have a different use and effect, my own experience is that herbal products can indeed cause some changes to my body. I noticed immediate results from (Promensil, phyto-estrogens, or Black Cohosh) as some additional tightening and shrinkage occured in my scrotum. My penis was small when flaccid anyway but now it is even smaller and is just barely a little head most of the time. However, I've had years of glandulars and minerals plus 3+ months of HRT.

In the shower I can tell that the last week or so my testicles / scrotum have become smaller -- especially when washing. I used to cup with four fingers but now I can do it with two. The balls feel less firm as well; hell, there just isn't much to grab.

Of course all these changes are so exciting I was stimulated last night and couldn't hold back. I masturbated. There was a flow of fluid <more> but I was in the semi-dark so I couldn't check for white. The climax felt good even though what came out was far diminished from say, four months ago.

The website you listed had several feminizing products listed worthy to observe. Thank you.

- Jim

[Paolo]

The problem with herbals for any relief is not only the amount of pills and the cost involved, but the problem of allergies to certain ones as well.

Always test some on your skin first before you eat it!

As someone mentioned, you have to eat a pile of the stuff to see any results at all. I experimented years ago with DQ and SJW and some others. While I did see some results prior to my other inflammation / infection onset, it wasnt' worth the cost for the OTC herbals that you can buy anywhere.

I seriously doubt the powers of these things now, and would advise anyone using them to do so carefully.

[happousai (imported)]

>

it wasnt' worth the cost for the OTC herbals that you

> can buy anywhere.

In the case of Evanesce, it costs about $30 per month for 6 pills per day. (The website says any more than 6 per day will probably be wasted.)

That seems comparable to the price of Estrofem. (At http://www.inhousedrugstore.com/womens- ... rofem.html Estrofem costs $57.50 for 5 28-packs of Estrofem 2mg. http://www.annelawrence.com/regimens.html suggests to take 6mg daily, which works out to ~$37 per month.)

[sag111 (imported)]

JIM since beeing on depo provera for the last five monthes i have noticed that when i do ejaculate i have a burning sensation. And like OLD SOFTEE i am also on paxil .JIM you didnt say what amount of estrogen you are taking.

[slave_jim (imported)]

JIM since beeing on depo provera for the last five monthes i have noticed that when i do ejaculate i have a burning sensation. And like OLD SOFTEE i am also on paxil .JIM you didnt say what amount of estrogen you are taking.

Sag, I'm surprised that you have a burning sensation. When does that occur? At climax? During the ejaculation? At the tip? Is that an uncomfortable burning sensation or a pleasing one? Sometimes I have enjoyed a light sting (even prior to HRT) from what I assume is various acid levels in the semen. This also occurs when not masturbating for quite some time as it seems the tissues and nerves inside the shaft aren't used to the fluids.

I've not had any stinging sensations for most of September and all of October thus far. All I produce is a drop or small flow of semi-clear fluid that has no force (to clarify my situation).

In July I started with Estro-Fem slowly. 2-mg. every other day and built up for a brief period to 4-mg. (did not sustain that very long) and then down to 2-mg. Now I will taper that off until I get 1-mg. doses (for daily) and then start tapering off that dose. As mentioned elsewhere I absolutely love the results that I've seen but breast growth -- even though I adore this -- has been too extreme for my near future.

- Jim

[sag111 (imported)]

JIM the burning sensation that i have is during climax .It is also not very comfertable for my wife it seams it burnes her just as bad . I guess i will have to get better at oral sex. I have had brest growth but i can live with it .

[slave_jim (imported)]

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The problem with herbals for any relief is not only the amount of pills and the cost involved, but the problem of allergies to certain ones as well.

- As someone mentioned, you have to eat a pile of the stuff to see any results at all.

- I seriously doubt the powers of these things now, and would advise anyone using them to do so carefully.

I agree for now that the herbs don't give any immediate feminizing or sterilizing results... but I do think they are quite effective into shrinking the penis or tricking the body, in my experience. Take a lot of boron, and your sperm will become watery. Use Ovary glandulars over the long term, and watch your balls tighten up and penis eventually shrink up. Again, the effects may be psychological... I don't know.

Spirotone and estrogen is certainly not expensive. I've seen dramatic results over three months... it took a while... and now all of a sudden I have nothing to show for my climax! I am hoping to find an herbal path that continues this amazing consequence and maybe over time herbs will get the job done.

I've been tapering off the estrogen (because of breast growth) and already I notice that erections are easier to achieve. Fortunately I haven't had time to do anything with them.

- Jim

[slave_jim (imported)]

Good Morning!

Happy Thanksgiving, if you celebrate!

At this time, I begin my fifth month of ingesting estrogen and slightly less time taking Spirotone. I started my HRT in late July, so I have been taking the female hormone through August, September, October, and November = four months already! I am joyful! There were two short breaks when I stopped briefly (towards the beginning of self-medication), but I have been totally consistent since August 29th.

Per Christina's advice, I ordered and then started with the Spirotone in early August.

Because of the drastic changes to my body, which includes the unwanted & obvious breast growth and soreness, I curtailed my estrogen dose from 2-mg. daily to 1-mg. not-quite-daily for a while. Lately I have been pleased with 1-mg.; my breasts still hurt, but I have resumed 1-mg. daily for about a week and I feel fine. I was also confused about my future, but yesterday I decided to take estrogen an additional month. All told, I will have about 42 days more of HRT, which will bring me well into the New Year 2003. If I become sterile, so be it.

I've found out, and most people here already know, that sterility can occur rather rapidly but obviously it depends on the person and the amount of estrogen ingested. It seems everyone agrees sterility is irreversible. Impotence can take up to two years after becoming sterile.

These thoughts are what excite me the most, and I can actually achieve a quick, fairly solid erection when pondering becoming sterile. Visual stimulation takes me a really long time to get my penis going, and it never becomes solid. I have lost length - that is obvious - regardless of how "semi-hard" my penis becomes. Ejaculations are nothing like what they used to be... as written before hardly anything comes out and there is no sense of pleasure during ejaculation -- the movement of fluid through penis and tip. Of course I still feel the internal climax and expect a volume of fluid to spurt out that doesn't happen. That is gone, perhaps forever. The last couple ejaculations have resulted in a slight increase in ejaculate - whatever it is.

I believe that if I had another man's penis to play with and suck, I would soon lose interest in my own. This activity would be very exciting however so I'm not sure how I would react. Although I would say my libido is diminished, thoughts can still trigger sexual excitement for me. Of course I love observing pretty Women and enjoy their appearance. I've even started looking at white Women again -- what could that be the result of?

As I read a long time ago, altering the body with female hormones can cause nasal congestion and I've certainly had that for a long time! I welcomed it at first because I knew my body was changing but it became irritating to wake up each and every day being clogged up. This morning I feel great and I am thinking that I've settled on the perfect dose - congestion went away shortly after I went daily with 1-mg. estrogen.

We'll see what happens next.

- Jim

[slave_jim (imported)]

Good Morning!

Well, my body has finally succumbed to a cold, a head cold it seems for now. This could not have happened at a worse time (when is a good time?). I am really dragging -- lucky for me I had the weekend off -- my first full weekend since the beginning of September.

Anyway, my "package" this A.M. is totally small and smooth. It's almost not even there. I am wondering if the cold has affected my genitals and given me a temporary flat benefit. I've been conscious of the smaller, smaller package since prior to summer -- as I've written here about it.

There are other members on HRT and Spirotone. Any progress with shrinking testicles, penis, and do you also discover more dramatic results when sick? Hopefully, no one else will get sick but I'm curious anyway.

Have a great day -- and good health to all!

- Jim

[slave_jim (imported)]

To All:

I have been in touch with Christina via Private Messages once in a while to keep her informed of my progress and to read about her.

Basically, I was on solid estrogen therapy with Spirotone for 6½ months. I had no fear of becoming sterile or impotent. What did bother me was getting huge breasts and I almost could not conceal them. I did inquire about sports bras, but decided that I would cease taking the estrogen, and Spirotone, instead. Also, I began to worry that I would not have children.

For the last week in January and all of February I laid off the hormone and tapered off with Spirotone. It wasn't too long and I became a whack-off monster. Nocturnal erections also started again. Eventualy I was masturbating daily and enjoying it. I could get a solid penis and have ejaculate, although nothing near the volume like it was before. There is/was not much force, either, although I felt okay during climax.

This weekend I started taking the estrogen again and I felt better immediately (i.e., today). I am wondering if there is a dose that could prevent me from being so drawn towards masturbating. Of course if I take this constantly I will probably be sterile in no time.

Just an FYI, and if anyone has suggestions, let me know.

Thank you,

- Jim

[Christina (imported)]

Hello Jim,

It's nice to hear from you again. It seems you are caught between a rock and a hard place (no pun intended) with your desire to lose a high libido and still retain sterility. I imagine this is very frustrating for you to know there is a way to kill the libido, but the side effects are unwanted. There are only two options I can think of that may offer hope for you. One, drop the estrogen and remain on the spiro at a higher dose (which still may cause sterility). Two, seek information on other types of drugs such as the ones used for depression that have side effects related to sexuality. I have read a few posts here on the Archives that mention sexual side effects of these drugs, (personally, I have no experience with them) and would think that this may be a better choice for you. I hope you find a solution soon that fits your situation without compromising you sterility. I wouldn't want for you to find that by achieving your desire, you had caused permanent unwanted damage to yourself.

Be careful, be cautious and above all be safe.

Hugs

[Blaise (imported)]

has improved my sense of well-being. It may help me maintain muscle mass. It seems to help my sexual organs look larger. It has not, it seems, improved libido or my ability to obtain organsms.

Looking over old posts that I made, I apparently enjoyed some aspects of low testosterone, but now I enjoy recovery and wish for greater recovery.

I wonder how many people who visit this board desire eunuch status and how many have had it inflicted upon them.

[Andrew (imported)]

I wonder how many people who visit this board desire eunuch status and how many have had it inflicted upon them.

In my case it was desired and, thanks to Dr. Spector, obtained.