America as the villian and the cause of the worlds woes...

[A-1 (imported)]

Of course, I doubt if you'll find anyone in the USA to do it and might have a hard time convincing any surgeon to do it.

this is typacly [sic] american. Alsways [sic] think the world wide web is only to be used in america. If one doesn't tell where they come from, most americans assume they from the usa. Well, i'm not, for as the world is a lot bigger then amerca

This hateful bullshit came from some low-life person named "Hans" who posted under the name of "nogender"

This post and response came from the "Fantasy Board" and I am not so sure that it doesn't still belong there. But in the interests of this community and the world, I want to share this with the E.A. and invite and encourage everyone's comments.

It is really too bad that some people from outside America have this insane habit of blaming the USA for all of their shortcomings as peoples and nations.

In other words the best way that some dictator, nut, kook, wierd-oh or otherwise impared indiividual can arouse his fellow countrymen and organize some sort of political or religious movement is to "blame" all of their woes, poverty, ignorance, lack of world prominence on America.

IT is really a problem that historically we see in whole countries, factions within countries, and more and more lately, certain religous movements trying to use the same old methods with the same old results.

It is such a LIE by vile, filthy, power-hungry, greedy, Godless provocatuers bent on furthering their position. It is of little consequence what their agendas are because ultimately we always see the same consistant results.

The people whom they profess to help, suffer from the results of their hateful lies and behavior. Not only do they cause suffering by convicing them that they will go to heaven by killing innocent people, thus taking their lives needlessly, (not only Americans, but whoever happens to be around) but they make those who live on suffer from the lack of American and free world $$$, which I might add is given freely to governments to help them support and feed their people.

The truth is, the more that world governments mimmick the free nations, the richer they become and the larger the middle class gets. In other words, its citizens get better off both freedom-wise and financially.

Well, to Hans and whoever reads this. If you started tomorrow with a clean slate and had the monies of the world divided equally, in 300- 400 years things would be exactly as they are now.

The people of the world who knew how to accumulate wealth and manage it would go somewhere and form their own country.

Said country would have safeguards against people like you, HANS, AND that binLaden character who stepped on a landmine that resulted in an explosion that took a whole society down with him in Afghanistan!

SAID country would extend a hand in friendship to its citizens and provide its citizens with liberties and freedoms that you and despots like you despise because it denies you CONTROL. They would still try to manage the world in their UNSELFISH wish to see to it that others are allowed to live in peace and freedom. They would not allow you and your ilk to use fear and terrorism to control the innocent and to accumulate power and wealth.

AND THAT...., IS HOW IT IS. IT IS HOW IT SHOULD BE.

What is happening in the world today is not to be blamed on America, but instead on opportunists like you that use, religion, lies and hate-mongering to threaten, intimidate and worst of all, to accumulate personal wealth and power

As long as the people in America maintain their will to be free, you and your kind, HANS, will NEVER succeed.

You and your ideas will soon be found on the trash heap of history once again.

You are a loser!

Go deal with it!



A-1

[peter4u (imported)]

Once again, A-1, you've left me breathless.

All I can say is, I agree...

wholly.

Neo

[radar (imported)]

C'mon, A-1, stop holding back. Let us know what you really think....

If you started tomorrow with a clean slate and had the monies of the world divided equally, in 300- 400 years things would be exactly as they are now.

And THAT is the bottom line.

[Paolo]

A-1,

Settle down, buddy! Don't work yourself up into a stroke! Well, maybe work Vi up into a stroke FOR you, but that's a stroke of a different color, isnt' it?

I should probably also reaffirm my sarcasm in what I said about giving Uncle George W. enough time on conquering the world ... he's NOT my uncle!

Amazing how it parallels your personal life - one day you're the bank, one day you're the savior, one day you're the crying shoulder ... and the only time you hear from these relatives (read-other nations) is when they want something from you. Sounds like my relatives and neighbors huh?

Let's start by annexing Mexico. Pay Carmen Miranda $75k a year to dance with that trippy hat on ... eliminate this cheap labor problem. MONEY for everyone. Next we'll move on down to Central America and put Nancy Reagan in as Queen Nancy the Red.

Rain forests? No problem. Keep going south. Fillet of pirahna, anyone? Always wanted to visit Chile.

I could go on, but I won't. I don't wanna stir up my Midwestern cohort any more ... LOL.

:tongueout :p

[A-1 (imported)]

Yes,

We could go on into Brazil...and then we could put a big hydro-electric dam on the Amazon river.

It flows 10 times the water of the St. Lawrence Seaway.

It would be bigger than the dam that the Chinese are building on the Yangzse River. That would bring the biggest dam back to the North American continent.

All kidding aside..., I tire of hearing how bad America is and how the government is sooo corrupt.

I am even ashamed that when this all blew up on 9-11 the Supreme Court, the Senate Judiciary Committee and Tom Daschle(sp?) the Senate majority leader, recieved Anthrax contaminated mail that it was later revealed through DNA testing had originated in this country.

Think about that one, Paolo! That gives me the creeps because I have seen how people try to influence politics. We would have had the Patriot Act passed anyway, because we always need a war powers act when at war.

Believe me, this is WAR.

I can tolerate views that are anti-status quo from fellow Americans, but I am sick and tired of hearing it from those who take American aid and then turn and bite the hand that feeds them like the rabid dogs that they are!

I can only say this for Hans...

I hope that when he goes home and crawls under the porch that his mother BITES HIM!



A-1

Now, how is that for more inner feelings?

BTW, I think that I smell another FUCKING TROLL! What thinkest all of thou?

[Losethem (imported)]

Actually, the whole terroism problem has very little to do with the USA. It has everything to do with what Bin Laden and his folks want to do in the middle east.

He and his pals want to set up fundamentalist Islamic regimes throughout the middle east. There is one problem, the USA and the west get a large portion of their energy from those nations. As long as we get a large portion of our energy from that part of the world, we will continue to support the current administration in whatever nation (we've already nuertalized Iraq for the most part) has the energy reserves.

This stands in the way of letting the fundamentalist regimes take over. They are stong enough to do so if the US and the west were not in the way. What happens? They rise up and form terrorist groups, and attack the western nations hoping to get them to withdraw their influence in that part of the world. If they can get the west out of the way, then they can set up their regimes, essentially turning the whole middle east into a place similar to Iran.

Personally, I don't have a problem with that. However the west needs to develop alternative energy sources and tell the middle east/oil producing countries to go to hell. As long as we remain dependent upon oil, we will have to keep governments in place in the middle east that are favorable to western views. That is unless you want to pay $6.00 a gallon for gasoline.

Can you guess what my major in college was?

Just my .02 worth.

[A-1 (imported)]

Your post says that...

This stands in the way of letting the fundamentalist regimes take over. They are stong enough to do so if the US and the west were not in the way. What happens? They rise up and form terrorist groups, and attack the western nations hoping to get them to withdraw their influence in that part of the world. If they can get the west out of the way, then they can set up their regimes, essentially turning the whole middle east into a place similar to Iran.

Personally, I don't have a problem with that. However the west needs to develop alternative energy sources and tell the middle east/oil producing countries to go to hell.

The problem that I have with it is that it condemns the whole ARAB region to a historical time comparable with the Dark Ages. It is truly a crying shame that the Arab culture, which gave us the foundations of our science, mathematics and social ideas, has fallen upon such an intellectually barren time.

The true problem is not Islam per se, but the corruption of it by those who claim to be Clerics, but in fact are nothing but greedy, power-hungry control freaks out to control the whole world. It is terrible! The mutilation of women's genitalia, the repression of femininity, the perpetuation of ignorance. In the name of humanity it has to be stopped!

Consider that in the Dark Ages the Christian Church was responsible for the repression of freedom, ideas and science. It was travel through the Arab lands to China that helped bring back the ideas that sparked the Renaissance.

It is sad indeed that now the Free World has to exert Military Muscle to help bring back the tolerance and free-flow of ideas to the Arab culture that will hopefully spark their Renaissance into a modern, progressive world culture contributor.

I do, however, respect your position, especially the part about alternate forms of transportation. In my opinion the oil companies and the automobile industry, that is Henry Ford for one, is responsible at least partially, for this mess. As a country we made the decision long ago to forego public transportation for private transportation. It was a mistake, one that we can never go back and correct.

We are in the mess that we are in and there is no turning back. Isolationism is not the answer. If we do not control these backward ideas, and some of the Middle Eastern Arab countries become significant nuclear powers we will have a situation on our hands that will make the Cold War with Russia pale in comparison.

I say that we must be proactive here. It is, unfortunately, as "W" says, not a time to draw back.

A-1

[Riverwind (imported)]

A1, you have such a way with word, I wish i could write as well.

"Hans" if your still there take note, the rest of us reflect.

Something I saved a couple of days after 911 -

The other day, terrorist attacks on New York and Washington has brought my country to a point of rage and anger. The bigger question is why?

A Canadian wrote this several years ago

Subject: America The Beautiful

In the wake of the election fiasco and the national tragedy of today,

this is worth reading. We still live in the greatest country in the

world and sometimes we forget what we have worked so hard for.

This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing:

America: The Good Neighbor.

By Gordon Sinclair 1900 - 1984

Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to A

remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a

Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of

his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the

most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the

earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were

lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions

of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries

is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United

States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans

who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on

the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries

in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by

tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy

pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers

in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering

Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is

gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own

airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal

the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If

so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except

Russia fly American Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on

the moon?

You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.

You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.

You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not

once, but several times - and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store

window for everybody to look at.

Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on

our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws,

are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down

through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the

Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody

loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other

people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else

raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside

help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have

faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing

them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their

flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose

at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope

Canada is not one of those."

Stand proud, America!

[Paolo]

I remember that article. Very good, indeed.

The solution to the problem of having a giving hand bitten is very, very simple - stop handing out money and aid.

[luvpain (imported)]

Riverwind thanks for the post.

I had heard that broadcast on the radio a few times after the 9/11 attacks. I believe there are a number of good points in it and to hear it read like it was on the radio almost a year ago, would just bring up lots of emotions, and maybe a tear or two to your eyes.

Thanks for posting the link as I had been looking for it back last year.

[antonia (imported)]

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[Mac (imported)]

Nice graphic. Where do you get those?

You should enlarge your avatar image to the maximum size for effect.

[haltlos (imported)]

A-1 and Paolo, my friends:

What is happening in the world today is not to be blamed on America, but instead on opportunists like you that use, religion, lies and hate-mongering to threaten, intimidate and worst of all, to accumulate personal wealth and power...

etc, etc



Oh my GOD!

From what I* can see both your reaction is very unappropriate! :redbounce

Hans's words did NOT read like a political, neither religious nor fanatical nor especially hateful statement and it was definitely NOT a threat!

It was just a stupid, bloody OPPINION about americans!

As far as I can see (that means if no posts were deleted and if Hans did not communictate directly too you, so that we could not know/judge) ALL HANS (Nogender) SAID WAS:

this is typacly [sic] american.

NOTHING ELSE!

Don't you think you overreact just a little?

And Paolo:

"Were you here in person to make that comment to my face, you'd more than likely find your ass beaten to a bloody pulp [...]"

MAN, are YOU crazy?:realpisse

Just because he said ANYTHING about that your FUCKING COUNTRY or it's fucking typical ways:

If you you REALLY were anywhere to touch this silly fuckhat for that and I was near too I* would be touching YOU for sure!

Man, check your ways!

Can't you cope with the slightest sound of criticism or, in this case, simple dislike?

Well, not that I cry one tear at all after a impolite, boring wannabe...

But I'm really impressed how far such a simple silly remark can take you.



You better don't ask ME what I think about the US.

But you know that you can always ask me what I think about YOU my friends:

love you, goddamn it.

Gus

[Paolo]

Gus,

Plain and simple, when people lip off at me in person, I punch them. When they pull weapons, I shoot at them. Most of the time, I hit them, too. Road rage? Yep - that's why I RAM them with my big-ass new Dodge truck when they annoy me.

THIS is TYPICALLY AMERICAN ... deal with it.

My comment about probably not being able to find a US surgeon willing to do the said procedure was made in point of eliminating THIS area from the search, and it sure as hell didn't deserve the snotty reply that it got.

You can't tell me that if I replied to a post by saying, "Oh, how typically German," or "Oh, how typically French," or "Oh, how typically Outer Mongolian," with some other comments like his, that I wouldn't piss someone off. "Well, they don't know any better, they're just ________(insert nationality) is not a suitable reply to a valid post. The comments made that as Americans, we tend to think only of ourselves, is a gross delusion.

Look at all the money that the USA has pumped into other countries, as A-1 so eloquently states. And what do we get for it? Said aided country taking a shit on our shoes at every chance they get. And I'd also like to know how many zillions of American dollars are flushed down the proverbial toilet every year by those well-meaning but dumb enough to believe that those charities for starving children worldwide actually DO something for the said children.

If the whole batch of 'typical Americans' actually thought like this, then you can bet your sweet bippy that we'd have just stood by and let each and every situation that we've helped, or tried to help, resolve, just sit there and burn while the innocent suffered.

We could have sat by and let Hitler have Europe while simply going and taking revenge on Japan. Likewise, we could have left the radiation-mauled Japanese populous to fend for themselves in the ruins after we got done trouncing the government. We could have let Saddam Hussein have Kuwait, et al, and the list goes on and on. Of course, I'm sure that there's also the arguement that in doing so, we were only looking out for OUR own best interests.

And don't even throw the Arab oil issue at me. In one or two growing seasons, we could produce enough corn alcohol to run all of our vehicles with. A simple re-tune of the motors is all we'd need, we'd have more jobs, a better economy here, BUT we'd also be wrecking the economy of those 'less fortunate' countries in doing so. Even though it would make our own lives infinitely better.

Mark my words, eventually someone is going to push it a bit too far when someone LIKE ME is in office ...

[Erik (imported)]

WAR!

Okay, we need to rally the troops and take over the whole fucking planet.

It is no longer Planet Earth, but it is now Planet U.S.A.

We start off by getting Canda on our side. After all they are pretty much a little USA. We work our way down Untile we have all of South America.

Once all of North and South America is in our full control, we take a year or two off to regroup and rearm. During this time we let whichever countries wish to become a state of planet USA to join.

Then once ready we go to work on the hold outs.

Instead of countries it is all states now.

Whate state do you live in?

Why I just hapen to live in the state of Australia, mate.

Now that we have won, and we are now all united under one government, we no longer have all this diffrant lauguage bull. We can now all talk and understand each other.

Holy crap, I can understand you! Maybe now we can work together and spend money on curing the ill and feeding the hungery instead of spending a Billion dollers and a fucking bomb we will never use.

Hey people. we have all this money we are no longer using on military. Why not use some of it to explore space now? Or maybe the Ocean? Lets find Atlantis.

Hey everyone, we have more then enough money now to educate our children. Holy shit, they can think for themselves now. Maybe we dont want that? After all we can't have them growing up to be adults who will question GOD and the church, or if what our government really wants is trully best for us.

100 Years After The Great War

Greetings.

As you know, before the Great War the planet America was a shit hole to live in.

But then the Great State of America got sick of the bull shit and put it's foot down, and put it down hard.

Now, thanks to our forfathers we are a great race once again.

we no longer fight each other. Instead we are peacful. We have cured everything from a simple cold to AIDs. Instead of fighting, we are feeding. No one goes hungery. Because the dollor is so much stronger now, instead of a boy paying almost a full dollor for a small candy bar, that same boy now can use the dollor to buy 5 or 6 very large candy bars.

People work because they want to and enjoy what they work at, instead of working somewere or work at something do NOT like, just becuase of the money they earn will pay the bills. Like me. I work only 12 hours a week as a tour guide and over a 100 years ago I would of had to work for 9 or 10 YEARS at a job i would hate to ear what I earn in 1 weeks work now.

Over 100 years ago, we were close to nuking the hell out of the planet and kiling everyone and everything alive, now adays we have terraformed Mars and have discovered a new race of humanoid type people on another planet. And I am sure you all know that, Yes, they have been here many time before in the past, and that all thoes anal probes was just a joke.

What?

Oh yes sir, it is true. Way back then, men had a very hard time having there parts removed if they wished. Now adays we are more enlitened and not only remove them, but late if he chooses to do so and has his parts stored, they can be reattached.

I hope you have enjoyed the tour of our hellish past and please feel free to ask Com-Puter any other questions you have.

[haltlos (imported)]

Yes, THAT'S the way I like you more!

And of course you're damn right: "My comment [...]

sure as hell didn't deserve the snotty reply that it got.

"

Let's forget the bastard, well I already have, nearly.

Because the other thing is far more interesting and I want to tell you what I think about it (without fearing for my teeth ):

"

Look at all the money that the USA has pumped into other countries..."

"I'm sure that there's also the arguement that in doing so, we were only looking out for OUR own best interests

"

No, there isn't. But I've got a better point (I hope):

In doing so America fulfills it's DUTY as the stronger one!

That's where it fits in that ALL other "civivlised, western" nations (have to) do exactly the same! Pumping money, helping etc.

If you have grown up with a few brothers and sisters you know that:

The strongest one HAS to care for the weaker.

Most of the time he will even get less of anything than his protegees.

I know this can be very annoying, espeacially cause the weaker aren't grateful at all.

But there is simply no other way: If you want THEM to act civilised you have to be it yourself first. And that means if you are stronger you have to help.

That sounds like a rather idealistic point, but there is one thing more to it if you transfer it onto modern nations:

If you are SO big, that means 100th of times bigger in power in comparison with another nation you simply cannot say:

Not my damn buissness what's going on there.

It is.

America as the only "super-power" left is the best example but still just an example:

If America farts half of the world will stink. (probably more )

A country of some critical size&power simply IS involved.

So MY oppinion:

By helping weaker nations a powerful AND civilised country not just serves it's own wealth or acts altruistically but it minds it's very own damn bussines!

Now what do you think of that?

(And have you ever seen another board where you can discuss THIS and castration and everything else too ?:) )

God, love you.

gus

[A-1 (imported)]

haltlos... (good Buddy...),

Don't you think you overreact just a little?

Well, in light of 9-11... NAW!

Can't you cope with the slightest sound of criticism or, in this case, simple dislike?

Well, in light of 9-11... NAW!

66860]
But I'm really impressed how far such a simple silly remark can take

you.
[/quote]


Well, in light of 9-11... (should you be?)...NAW!

Erik...(my friend!)...

Okay, we need to rally the troops and take over the whole fucking planet.

Well, no, not really, only the parts that belong to those who have no respect for human life. Nobody else has to worry about anything. ...capish?

I guess that it might be summed up thusly...

For those who understand, no explaination is necessary. For those who don't, none is possible.

I would also like to serve notice to everybody here.

In America the citizens are the government. The government IS US!!!

You better don't ask ME what I think about the US.

But you know that you can always ask me what I think about YOU my friends:

love you, goddamn it.

Gus

Gus, Poor Gus, we love you, too.

I only hope that your love is truly unconditional...it is said that love is never having to say that you are sorry...

Gus, Gus, Gus...

Sorry, I ain't. I don't have it in me after 3000+ New Yorkers were killed for no reason other than some bastard's jaded fucking gutter self-righteousness. People, husbands, wives, women, children...all civilians. All killed not by accident or an unintentional mistake, or even as collateral damage in an act of war, but as an intimidating act of terrorism!

The perpetrators of this atrocity and ANYONE who sympathizes with them are in for the war without end. Just watch. This war was never declared...and it will never end...it will continue until not only the the perpetrators and their sympathizers are gone, but until the entire thought process that led to this is obliterated.

American's lives are not more valuable than those in other countries. But if as Americans we did nothing whe 3000 + of our own on our own soil are murdered, how could that show respect for life anywhere? If the only thing that these demons of evil respect is death, then so be it. Let them reap what they have sown...

No, somebody's got to pay and somebody's going to die. Now is not the time to antagonize America or Americans. Now is not the time to side with the terrorists and their lies.

I wish that they would have just left us alone. Since they didn't they are going to get what is coming to them.

Some Friendly Advice,...Don't feel sorry for them, they asked for this!

Don't feel sorry for Hans, the asshole asked for his, too.

Do you remember the movie Dr. Strangelove? Well, just think of me as Slim Pickens riding that damned bomb in waving my hat and screaming "YAHOO!!!"

You damn better well believe that if Hans came to a bar that I frequent in the midwest and shot his mouth off like he did here he would end up laying in the alley in back of the place with the shit stomped out of him, if he indeed lived to tell the tale.

If me and Paolo feel like this what chance would he have against a bunch of redneck roughnecks? I mean, we aren't exactly your typical low-life uneducated idiots, are we?

...and that is just the way that it is now...remember, everyone, the US didn't start this thing. We even backed our CIA off after the fall of the USSR. We cut our intelligence capabilities by 50%. We WANTED the world to be able to fend for itself...

Well, look what has happened! They want a fucking war, well...,

THEY GOT IT!

They can be likened to a pack of wild dogs chasing a bus. The damned thing is about to run over them and all they can do about it is to nip at it's wheels. Roadkill, all!

A-1

BTW,

Limpone was in the CIA. I would pretty much bet that he is active again. A true Eunuch of our times...

[Andrew (imported)]

BTW,

Limpone was in the CIA. I would pretty much bet that he is active again. A true Eunuch of our times...

Gee, is that why Limpone seems to have more or less dropped out of the Eunuch Arcives? Seems to have been almost a year since we had anything from him. I hope he is doing OK.

[Paolo]

With all of Limpone's medical problems that he's mentioned, I'm beginning to wonder if he didn't die ...

[haltlos (imported)]

Poor Gus?

Oh my God, what else did you find out...

No, I mean: Poor Gus?

I don't understand but,well, don't you think my love was unconditional, it isn't!

I just happen to cultivate my private illusions on the basis of my temporary "unknowing" (is "ignorance" in english (as in german) more "intentional unknowing"?).

In your case(es *s) that means I just keep thinking that in "eye to eye situation" or in case of "important decisions" I trust you to make the "right" decision.

(ups, that was ..., well ok.)

This confidence grew by TALKING to you but is NOT based directly on what you SAY!

I just think I like you, A-1 and Paolo in this special case, simply as persons and that does not go away just because you have a different oppinion.

So, as long as I'm not prooven wrong by sight we can TALK here whatever you like.



You can take whatever position you like, as long as we can still TALK about it. And if, by chance, that should become impossible the confidence is still there. It might just not be so interesting any more to TALK.

Just that does NOT mean you could not loose that confidence!

Eye to eye or in important decisions.

It doesn't mean either that I won't tell you if I think I have to attack a position you take...

So, you don't want to talk about the responsibilitys of a powerful nation?

Ok, something else.

A-1, my friend, I still thing you're going too far.

I come from the country of the holocaust and have grown up in a time when it was talked up a little clearer at last, even in school.

The thing you ponder as a teenager is of course:

"How did they justify THIS in front of THEMSELFS?"

The question comes up again and again of course at every new occasion, every knew act of war and death and each time it leads into complex matters so that you easiely get caught in it and may even start discussing where you should have been saying "No" right from the start.

I just know one thing yet:

With a motto like: "Well, in light of 9-11... "

you can really justify EVERYTHING !

A-1, I know your hurt!

Everybody was; hurt and frightened.

But you KNOW, you FUCKING KNOW!, you don't make that thing any better if you now go shooting EVERYBODY.

MAN. Take care where you point with that thing, it might be loaded!

MAN, I*m standing here! GUS!

Man?

[Charlieje (imported)]

OK, now I have GOT to say something.

The USA swallow Canada? I'm sorry, but it is very doubtful that it will ever happen.

When Quebec began raising hell in the 60's, crying FOUL and threatening to separate, we Canadians all realized that such a split would divide Canada into two pieces. On the one side would be Western Canada, including Ontario, quite able to sufficiently take care of themselves I'm sure. On the other would be the Maritimes: New Brunswick (where I grew up), Nova Scotia (where I called home most of my life), Prince Edward Island, and Newfoundland.

There was a lot of talk during the 70's and 80's that if the Quebec separation ever did happen, the eastern Maritimes would be quickly swallowed up by the USA. At times I thought I was the only one in the entire region who was saying two things, over and over and over:

(1) We should be so lucky

(2) What makes you think the US would WANT us?

It is an economically depressed area; the only natural resources worth thinking about is a little water, lots of coal which few use any more, and a whole lot of unemployed people. The fishery, which at one time was a gold mine, is pretty well fished out thanks to the draggers and trawlers from Europe and Japan that the Canadian government didn't have the guts to drive out. Most of the other minerals have already been exhausted. Does the USA need more unemployed? Not hardly.

But the entire argument is academic anyway because Quebec is never going to separate. They are not stupid, those people. They know as well as the rest of Canada that all they have to do is threaten separation and the Canadian government will panic and heap a whole new bunch of perks on them to keep them happy.

As for anyone criticsing the US, anyone who does simply does not understand. I read with interest the posting, once again, of Gordon Sinclair's tribute to "The Americans." Folks, I knew Gordon Sinclair. No, no personally, but I lived in Toronto when he owned a radio station there. He was abusive and rude, even downright annoying at times; but he told it like it is! I heard the original broadcast of that editorial... it caused quite a stir in Toronto, and I'm proud to say that most Torontonians were behind him all the way.

I am not a native American, but lemme tell you, I am VERY PROUD than I am now a part of this country! As any who reads the story Kenny that I will begin posting soon will see, throughout my entire life, every time I encountered a crisis in my life that seemed insurmountable, I found the solution in the USA.

The USA is not perfect, and it probably never will be. But to quote the introduction to an old TV show, every alternative is so much worse!

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A-1, my friend, I still thing you're going too far.

I come from the country of the holocaust and have grown up in a time when it was talked up a little clearer at last, even in school.

The thing you ponder as a teenager is of course:

"How did they justify THIS in front of THEMSELFS?"

I think that what happened in Germany with the Holocaust could have happened in any country. It could have happened here in the USA if we did not give all groups equality. Pick your ethnic group, it can happen to them if we allow it to go that far. Love you brothers only when they can be trusted not to kill you in your sleep.

There is a step by step procedure in genocide. WWII Germany just went further down the road than most others have. Oh, there are exceptions. Pot-Pol in Asia, Idi Amin in Africa, and the list goes on and on.

Sure, we have to be on the look out for and eternally vigilant that we do not fall into this trap as a society and as humans. No one is infallable. No one, on country, no religion, no ethnic group, nobody!

With that being said let's look at what happened to the Jewish people. 2000 years of wandering through different countries. NEVER becoming part of the so-called "melting pot". Never losing their ethnicity. No people have done this. This is very, very unusual. Well, all of that aside.

When a group gets constantly down-trodden, discriminated against and violated they will get a tough-as-nails attitude. This can be applied to Palestinians, Jews, Africans, Latinos, it does not matter what the group is or how they percieve themselves violated. It is their perception that makes them this way.

When you deal with a group like this you must remember one thing. If they will not make peace then they will fight till the death. The Al-Quada is such a group. Worse, they are based in religous fanaticism. When they die killing Americans, they get 72 virgins and some such (camel)(bull)shit, take your choice.

Until someone can tell me how they can justify 9-11 then my position is that the only Good Al-Quada is a DEAD Al-Quada. I know that they think that America is the cause of the Palestinian situation. I know that they think that America can control Israel.

The facts are that they have a mass delusion. Something like the JIM Jones "SUICIDE CAMP" in Ghianna. (Sp?) Something Marshall Applegate's suicide cult in California that killed themselves over a comet sighting.

They are killing themselves like the Japanese Kamikaze or (divine wind) pilots did in WWII. This fanaticism is part of the reason that Harry Truman had the A-Bomb dropped on them. It is a terrible, terrible reality check, but killing the populations of those cities saved over a million lives because they saw that their position was futile. We were at war. Another damned war that America didn't start.

The groups that I mentioned are only harmful to themselves and those immediately involved with them. When these BASTARDS start attacking America and it's civilian population then you damned betcha I'd kill every last one of them if I could.

No, we are not mad here in America, but we are damned angry. Some no-good M***her F**kers in the middle east better watch out! They want a war?, they are messing around with the survivors of the cold war!

The only way that these rabid dogs will rest now is when they are dead. I hope that they have given their souls to Allah because their asses belong to us!

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Well said, A-1!

To quote Toby Keith, notwithstanding Peter Jennings (he's Canadian, I'm ashamed to say)...

We'll put a BOOT IN YOUR ASS!!!!

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Gus and friends...

Did you hear the story about the guy who runs the X-rated internet sites that tried to set up a "sting" to catch the Al-Quada and he could not get the FBI to respond quick enough?

Interesting story. Check it out!

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld ... ul30.story

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...if that one doesn't make the hair stand out on the back of your neck then check this one out!

http://www.itshappening.com/

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