Why Be a Eunuch?

[MacTheWolf (imported)]

In the chat room last night I was asked the question, "What are the advantages of being a eunuch?

I honestly couldn't think of any.

I'd like to hear opinions from eunuchs and non-eunuchs alike.

Thanks,

MacTheElderly Wolf

[moi621 (imported)]

I cannot imagine the desire or fantasy to loose my balls and living with it since I was an adolescent.

I can and do imagine loosing my dick and living with the condition fully balled.

The desire to loose the nuts is something I cannot fathom.

Those on HRT don't count.

Moi

[DeaconBlues (imported)]

The advantages are many, and they are real, for me at least.

I remeber when I first started on depo provera, I will forever be in love with depo provera. Basically, everything that made my life unhappy, evaporated a few days after that first shot. I have posted elsewhere my experiences with depo provera so I will not duplicate them here, besides, you wanted only the advantages and disadvantages of being a eunuch.

So, ADVANTAGES... biggest one for me was that I suddenly quit hating myself, and I was no longer angry at the world, the rage and anger that I feel most of the time were gone! GONE!

Second, I was not a stupid horney moron anymore. I wasted too much time and money just looking to get laid. I NEVER missed my "morning wood" or any other erections that I no longed had, and I was quite happy not to have any erections. I was very happy that I was no longer making a fool of myself for any woman who I might have sex with.

My back and other muscles did not ache so much, I was a lot less tense.

I had feelings again, I could empathize easily, and I understood people. I had feelings before the depo provera, but I never understood the feelings, I just felt the feelings and drifted from one mood to another without really thinking about things. On the depo provera, I UNDERSTOOD my feelings and the feelings of others much better.

Now the disadvantages... the only REAL disadvantage that keeps me from getting castrated (aside from the insane cost of the operation) is the threat of osteo perosis and weight gain and weakness.

I would be lying if I said my depo provera (temporary and reversible) castration was ALL great. There were a few fleeting moments when I was so profoundly LONELY, and I knew that I would have been so grateful for anyone I could talk too. I felt so lonely in bed, I wanted to sleep next to someone, not for any sexual things, just wanted someone, anyone, to be with. Seriously, it was lucky for me that no con artist found me during any of those fleeting moments, I know I would have been very vulnerable at those times.

Finally, I suppose the disadvantage of not being able to have children, but really, IF you are lucky enough to have a woman you want to have children with, then sperm donors are a dime a dozen to get a woman pregnant. So infertility is NOT, in my opinion, a real disadvantage.

[Caith721 (imported)]

I was not a stupid horney moron anymore.

This is one of the best advantages I can claim. There is no more senseless drive to achieve orgasm or look for methods to achieve it. I can appreciate women in a very new way, rather than as simply sex objects. I still desire women for sex, but that's my personal preference. It's rather nice to appreciate them for who they are and how they behave, as well as how they look and act.

[Hash (imported)]

I really don't think I had a choice. My desire to be castrated seemed to grow year after year until the desire became so overwhelming and compelling I couldn't stop thinking about it, I had to be castrated. The benefits were/are calm, peace, serenity, no more drive to do and say stupid things to get off sexually. Testosterone controlled me and my thoughts, without my balls I can control myself or my sex drive. Well, really I have little to no sex drive. I think it's hard for non-eunuchs to understand why becoming a eunuch is beneficial because most men are so attached to their testicles.

[curious19 (imported)]

My story is complicated.

I had ever a submissive nature. The thougts about castration started when i was 15, after my first (non-consensual) sex experience, whit another boy of my school. He was two years older than me. He started to fondle me in a way i disliked at first; in minutes he was into me. I cried for the pain and had a very strong orgasm at least: so i started to seek for it with other boys, but i felt guilty about sex and pleasure and about my sexuality. That feeling of guilt was joined to fantasies about submission and castration. At 17 i made some attempt with a therapist but it was not useful, and my family made all the worse.

At 19, almost an year ago, i met :hearthrob my actual master (he's 20 years older than me and he was the first i really can call like this). To be kept naked at home, to be shaved, to be "punished" (spanking mostly ) , and shared like is usual in such a kind of relations, all those things were all new for me and i felt better for a while. Nevertheless, my thoughts about castration were not over. I talked about it with him. We parted for a month, then all restarted. It restarted with the proviso that my castration could not to be only a fantasy eventually. It became reality twenty one days ago. I was used a last time as a male slave-boy in the morning. More than an hour later i had a burdizzo between my legs.

It seems my malehood is not totally off (a little remnant of testosterone), altough desire for the most part run low and my sexparts are now visibly smaller than before (especially my testicles) and i begin to need less shaving. The relative calm seems to make me really tranquil about sex (it's not simply a joke), making me really submissive. So i feel good about it and no more guilty for the first time since my puberty started.

Perhaps someone could say i was too hasty about having my nuts modded like this. I know only that now i can really accept myself.

[punkypink (imported)]

Is there any advantage bigger than "being yourself"?

One does not need to justify being oneself as long as it does not harm others.

[OneBallBoi (imported)]

I think the psychological aspect of casrtation is the most important.. For me there were some real mental injuries by Christians. Those injuries really pushed me to go get castrated. I love being a Eunuch. Oh there is the issue of little strength and the issue of finger nails being paper thin. But I have a fantastic significant other that is a real help..

[loveableleopardy (imported)]

Lower or no sex drive resulting in a clearer mind and being a better person. One who can love another to his full potential; mentally, emotionally and physically.

[Cainanite (imported)]

Is there any advantage bigger than "being yourself"?

One does not need to justify being oneself as long as it does not harm others.

Thank-you punkypink. Your quote hits the nail on the head.

Yeah, there are physical advantages, and disadvantages. These things are subjective, and vary from person to person.

Wanting to be myrself, and to be comfortable in my own body, are my reasons for desiring castration.

For me, as a guy with naturally low levels of testosterone, I don't have a burning desire to be rid of my dangly bits. I'm already about where I want to be. I'm already sterile, and because I do have "some" testosterone in my system, it's like I'm already a eunuch, who has a natural maintenance level dose of testosterone in my system.

I remain on the edge of making the decision to go "full eunuch". If I go all the way, I'd have to start hormones to maintain my bones, and overall health. On the other hand, If I did go all the way, I'd be more myself. My external body would match who I am on the inside.

Frankly, I've never been too emotionally invested in my testicles anyway. I imagine I'd feel much more comfortable without them. All they do for me now is get in the way, and sweat uncomfortably on hot days.

To just lose them, and live as I truly am... What better argument could there be?

[loveableleopardy (imported)]

Is there any advantage bigger than "being yourself"?

One does not need to justify being oneself as long as it does not harm others.

I understand your point (and I like), but I think that those who do not wish you to undertake such a transformation would argue that you are not being yourself by becoming a Eunuch, that being yourself is to remain exactly who you are, working with what you were born with (and/or that puberty naturally created).

The second point I think is easier for us (Eunuchs and those wanting to be Eunuchs or to make such a change that causes others offence) to try to get across to others, though acknowledging that it will cause others offence can already be argued back that we are causing harm to others, and undue harm, since others will just argue, "why don't you just be yourself and stay the same?"

The causing offence to others thing can of course be reduced if people are able to learn to be less scared about things that they shouldn't be scared about (which is basically just fear of embarrassment); however this seems unlikely to be achieved in any great way. So the best way to reduce the offence would be for others to not know about what will cause the offence, and this may or may not be possible, depending on life scenarios and the actions of yourself and others. Then there is the fact that if you do decide to try to hide your Eunuch frame of mind (and possible physical status), then others may claim that you are not being yourself - or that you are ashamed of yourself and shouldn't have the Eunuch physicality as well as the frame of mind, that if you really knew what you wanted then you would be proud of it and of yourself.

So it can be difficult to win either way.

I really am not sure of what to say to my doctor when I see him in 8 days. I feel like I am going to go into the meeting without any grand plan, and without a gun-ho attitude. I will probably just say whatever feels appropriate at the time, which will most certainly include that I do still wish to give androcur a go. I do not envisage there being any kicking and screaming, and perhaps not even any swearing; I feel like whatever will happen has already been decided and as such I will let fate reveal the answer to me. What I have just felt though, is that I will embark on one thing or the other, depending on the outcome of my consultation. Down the track, this is where "harm others" might come into the equation, in a causing offence through embarrassment and fear sense.

[loveableleopardy (imported)]

So, ADVANTAGES... biggest one for me was that I suddenly quit hating myself, and I was no longer angry at the world, the rage and anger that I feel most of the time were gone! GONE!

Second, I was not a stupid horney moron anymore. I wasted too much time and money just looking to get laid. I NEVER missed my "morning wood" or any other erections that I no longed had, and I was quite happy not to have any erections. I was very happy that I was no longer making a fool of myself for any woman who I might have sex with.

I had feelings again, I could empathize easily, and I understood people. I had feelings before the depo provera, but I never understood the feelings, I just felt the feelings and drifted from one mood to another without really thinking about things. On the depo provera, I UNDERSTOOD my feelings and the feelings of others much better.

I would be lying if I said my depo provera (temporary and reversible) castration was ALL great. There were a few fleeting moments when I was so profoundly LONELY, and I knew that I would have been so grateful for anyone I could talk too. I felt so lonely in bed, I wanted to sleep next to someone, not for any sexual things, just wanted someone, anyone, to be with. Seriously, it was lucky for me that no con artist found me during any of those fleeting moments, I know I would have been very vulnerable at those times.

Finally, I suppose the disadvantage of not being able to have children, but really, IF you are lucky enough to have a woman you want to have children with, then sperm donors are a dime a dozen to get a woman pregnant. So infertility is NOT, in my opinion, a real disadvantage.

Why are men generally more violent than women? Testosterone. That is correct isn't it? Is there any other possible reason?

Having testosterone can indeed result in wasting a great deal of time and money. And time in particular, is very important. First and foremost I am a writer (that is how I view myself), and that is very often what makes me happy. Much of the time that I get back that is wasted because of testosterone can be poured into various book project ideas, and other worthwhile writing in general. I have lost complete motivation for book projects, and perhaps not without coincidence, this has come approximately during the period that I have finally been sexually active. It may take up to 6 months to get back into book writing mode (I imagine that it would take time just to re go over old ideas and perhaps get my head around whatever I was planning), but I am confident that with my testosterone removed that this motivation can be recovered. So why was I able to write books in the past? Well, I think that I could still sometimes focus on such things while I was still working out what was best for me in life. Once I worked this out, that's when I either get what I want (which should not cause offence to others) or I start kicking and screaming

M

aking a fool of myself for any woman who I might have sex with.

Well not in all cases a fool (for me), but yeah, there is that constant hope of having to always desire the sex with her, even if she's said no (I have discussed such things at other times on the EA). I'm reminded of a quote by Mike Skinner, which goes something like; "Girls flirt to value their self worth while guys just hanker for hanky panky to happen." I have often complained about the annoyance of having the male sex drive, and of how much it effects us, but I think that women have it just as bad, but in a different way. They have such a constant worry over whether they are attractive (or are still attractive) that they need this validated by men (and preferably handsome men) basically all the time, perhaps as often as we physically require to get off.

We may wake up with morning wood, but they may wake up with a migraine of insecurity about their attractiveness level to men; both issues may produce about as much negativity in the lives of those who have to deal with them.

I am of course just spitting. I can't categorically say whether that is an accurate portrail of the female side of things. I was born a man.

I think that I understand my feelings pretty well despite the testosterone, but then again I won't have a comparison to make until I have it properly removed for a decent length of time.

I don't believe that I will feel THAT lonely, even if my actions push many people away, including my parents. I think that pets can help, and we can always interact with others online. I know that I would always get excellent companionship on the EA (and that's just one part of the internet); in fact my interactions would become better with others without my testosterone (going back to the time thing, and having a really free mind).

And if it would be true with me as it is with you of understanding others better, than the interactions only improve.

I also wouldn't be as lonely as some because I have lived most of my life as single. So I am probably not as attached to the always having someone by my side thing as some others. I am someone who can go out to a bar on my own, still.

The sperm donor thing is a wonderful point. I was thinking that before starting on Androcur that I should go to a sperm bank and make some deposits of my own. What does anyone else think of this?

[raymar2020 (imported)]

I'll respond here. I grew up for all intents and purposes a eunuch. No visible testicles until I was 16. By then their intrusion into my life was unwelcome. They felt unnatural, and alien, and caused me great emotional stress. Thankfully they soon retreated back into invisibility, and I was left with only the issues of pain, and their lack of function.Over the years many who I was sexually active with were not even aware that I still had them. I was always quite comfortable with my eunuch appearance, and quite content not to have them.

The years passed , and the pain issues multiplied until I was finally able to convince a surgeon that a gay man with dead balls really didn't need them. They were removed in 2008. I only thought I was comfortable prior to that point. Once they really were gone, I found a new peace with myself that I could never have imagined before they were removed. I am totally comfortable being a eunuch, and truly feel that I am now as nature had intended in the beginning.

While being a eunuch is certainly not for everyone, for me it is one of the blessings of life. I am open about my status with most everyone in my life, and have no shame about being "different". I do use HRT, since I do not desire to be a nonsexual being. To some I know that sort of negates the whole eunuch thing, but its about what works for each individual

Raymar

[Peter47-NL (imported)]

The advantages of being a Eunuch seems for me that a deballed body expresses more and corresponds more with a state of mind I'm longing for and already have reached in some way. My desire for a castration is also joined with the desire to be member of a like-minded Eunuch community, not only on the internet but as friends of flesh and blood. I have loved my sex-live, but don't long to have it back, I'm happy that I'm almost complete a-sexual and my way of thinking about love has changed and tends much more to tenderness and affection than to lust and passion.

What keeps me from a castration is the lack of courage to talk about it with my GP, the costs, the chemical castration before the surgical castration, the fear of pain and the healing.

And I wonder, are testicles only producing sperm and testosterone or do they also make something else that I don't know?

[punkypink (imported)]

I understand your point (and I like), but I think that those who do not wish you to undertake such a transformation would argue that you are not being yourself by becoming a Eunuch, that being yourself is to remain exactly who you are, working with what you were born with (and/or that puberty naturally created).

Well being oneself on the inside is what I meant. The outside is just the cover for the book, being true to the contents of that book is what matters. What you want to do with the outside is entirely one's personal choice.

Lower or no sex drive resulting in a clearer mind and being a better person. One who can love another to his full potential; mentally, emotionally and physically.

Interesting post. Having a healthy sex drive for me does not seem to cloud my mind, but then as Cainite pointed out it's subjective, so many some people need a lowered sex drive before the potential of their minds are unlocked. Maybe it's just because I have a female brain...

[eunuch2001 (imported)]

I am totally comfortable being a eunuch, and truly feel that I am now as nature had intended in the beginning.

While being a eunuch is certainly not for everyone, for me it is one of the blessings of life.

Raymar

Thanks Raymar. That's exactly how I feel too and I couldn't have expressed it better.

[feedback (imported)]

Some of us had it forced on us because of medical problems. As it turns out I am a much nicer person without testosterone. I am much calmer, slower to anger, more emotional and just a more caring thoughtful person. After years of experimenting with different levels of replacement I choose to use just enough to keep me healthy but not enough to bring out the old me.

[Peter47-NL (imported)]

The advantages of being a Eunuch seems for me that a deballed body expresses more and corresponds more with a state of mind I'm longing for and already have reached in some way. My desire for a castration is also joined with the desire to be member of a like-minded Eunuch community, not only on the internet but as friends of flesh and blood. I have loved my sex-live, but don't long to have it back, I'm happy that I'm almost complete a-sexual and my way of thinking about love has changed and tends much more to tenderness and affection than to lust and passion.

What keeps me from a castration is the lack of courage to talk about it with my GP, the costs, the chemical castration before the surgical castration, the fear of pain and the healing.

And I wonder, are testicles only producing sperm and testosterone or do they also make something else that I don't know?

I considered that if a lack of courage to talk about castration with my GP keeps me from a castration I must think about what I like to say to my GP about the subject and write it down on paper. Before writing down my thoughts and questions I took an encyclopedia and looked for castration which derives from the Latin word castratio which on its turn originates from the Latin word castus = pure. This is exactly how I feel about the subject: a castration is in its highest goal a purification.

[devi (imported)]

There aren't many reasons for being a eunuch. When speaking Spanish women half my age will tell me, "no me tuteas, este jovencito muchachito!" (Don't insult me by talking like you're as old as me, little kid. Something like that.) So at fifty-three I still pretty much speak in the formal. You can impress them by out-sopranoing them though but then again as old as I am I can't do that on most days anymore. My balls never completely matured and for this reason I was very happy to be rid of them at last (rather than keeping them inside my pelvis) and to become at least "formally" a eunuch at last some years ago. And I have loved this ever since. So for me becoming a full eunuch was the best thing. My only regret was that I had never done this earlier because of all those physicians that had scoffed at me from my adolescence until I was finally able to locate someone.

[loveableleopardy (imported)]

Castus = pure

I like!

I very much agree with the purification idea...for me. Like Raymar said, it is not for everyone.

[punkypink (imported)]

Having seen all that's been expressed and said, it seems to boil back down to what I've said, that is the most basic of all: simply being yourself. You'd have to be an eunuch in mind first and foremost. Otherwise if being an eunuch is a state of mind that comes from the physical, then hell, it'd be for everyone wouldn't it?

[loveableleopardy (imported)]

Having seen all that's been expressed and said, it seems to boil back down to what I've said, that is the most basic of all: simply being yourself. You'd have to be an eunuch in mind first and foremost. Otherwise if being an eunuch is a state of mind that comes from the physical, then hell, it'd be for everyone wouldn't it?

Too right. It comes down to being yourself - the self that you see inside.

Eunuch State Of Mind sounds like a good song title. We could sample from the New York songs. Any piano men on these boards (Billy Joel)?! Or nasty rappers (Nas)?!

[slowone2 (imported)]

As with a lot of us here it's the cost and time to become a eunuch and being youself.

Too right. It comes down to being yourself - the self that you see inside.

Eunuch State Of Mind sounds like a good song title. We could sample from the New York songs. Any piano men on these boards (Billy Joel)?! Or nasty rappers (Nas)?!

[bobover3 (imported)]

I sometimes wonder if this would all feel different if we lived in a culture with more relaxed attitudes about gender. I ask because I remember, in my youth, feeling oppressed and threatened by society's definition of macho masculinity. (This was the 60s and 70s.) The so-called "sexual revolution" did nothing to ease this. If we all felt free to be ourselves, it would be another world. But I suppose that's an idle dream, since every society I'm aware of had sharply defined gender roles.

[Eunuchus (imported)]

I have wanted chemical castration for years after a Psychiatrist suggested that I take Depo-Provera to help control my sexual addiction. The doctor though could not tell me who to get Depo injections from,and told me to find someone. I felt like I

was stranded without help.

I suffered for years with this addiction,while it was also getting worse. By that I mean more deviant thoughts, easily

angered,watching porn, masturbation, and unwanted erections at inappropriate times and places. then months ago

I decided to search for chemical castration again. I found the EA and started reading every thread I could. I also discovered

InHouse Pharmacy. I learned about alcohol injections. I know the pros and cons of castration.

I initially did not want to spend the money for drugs, so I tried alcohol injections. Then I change my mind stop the injections and

ordered Cyproterone

It seemed to start working really well. The I started having side effects,it cause my right leg to swell from the knee down.

So I decided not use any drugs.

I restarted the alcohol injections with 190 proof grain alcohol. I like the results better so far. I have already noticed less

sexual thoughts and desires. I have become more tolerant and show less anger.

I hope it stays this way. Time will tell.