Burdizzo castration

stevesd (imported) · Post by **stevesd (imported)** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:20 am

All:

Today I was castrated with a 18" Burdizzo by a Rancher here in San Diego County. No pain killer was used, however after the first clamping, he held the clamp on for 3 minutes each, we waited then he clamped the right side high up on the sack. The most painful part was not clamping the cord and nerves, it was the pinching of the skin together which makes the mark! So now I can say if this worked, as the rancher said he felt the cords afterwards, so he believes it worked. I took it like a man...yes it's fuckin painful when the clamp bites down, but I never felt any pain from the cords themselves. My Penis Piercing was more painful than then getting castrated with the burdizzo clamp! I will keep all posted as to the shrinkage and when I see the testicles shrink. I have taken some pain pills afterwards, but am very happy to be a castrated bottom now, with my cock having it's pa, and I do believe if done correctly burdizzo castration - bloodless castration does in fact work! Steve:D

SplitDik (imported) · Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:23 pm

Congratulations. I've been clamped unsuccessfully by burdizzo before, and like you said the pain was mostly the scrotum skin -- which in my case ended up pretty scarred. I do hope it works for you. The human testicles are designed quite different from farm animals' so the idea of crushing isn't as certain. But I hope you achieved what you wanted. Definitely keep us posted. Pics too if possible. Also, how did this come about -- is the guy who did you gay, or you met on an S&M site or something? By the way, it is pretty easy to get testosterone checked without a doctor, I order mine on the Internet and then go to an actual clinic and they send the results to me. Cheers!

stevesd (imported) · Post by **stevesd (imported)** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:35 pm

I met this dude through another web site. Yes he is gay, I have applyed frozen peas to the clamped areas, it's the tool that cut into the skin that hurt the most. How did you know it did not work for you? The Rancher had castrated others and many cattle. How long could you tell it did not work? Does the Spermatic Cord become elesatic and bounces back if you use ice on the skin? I am wearing a jockstrap with forzen peas on each side..it was the only way to get HRT since I had low T and he said after he clamped the left testicle it started getting cold, so perhaps it did work. I am not worried if I get on the Hormone patch, and the clamping did not work, I will have them cut out. I am not ashamed at 50 years old to have an empty ball sack, know lots of Marines from Iraq that came home with no testicles! Stevesd

Littledick (imported) · Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:33 pm

Congratulations!

I hope it works for you and heals well. Again I hope that you will be happy with the results when it all settles.

rammer (imported) · Post by **rammer (imported)** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:07 am

Congratulations. You've wanted this for a long time. I hope your sac has a nice empty look soon.

stevesd (imported) · Post by **stevesd (imported)** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:30 am

Burdizzo Update: After I was clamped, yes it hurt like a mother fucker...at first I felt pressure on the cord, then when the fullness of the clamp on penched the skin was the most painful part. After both sides were clamped, yes I was in pain, so put on a jockstrap, use frozen peas to ice the area and took some pain meds. I noticed a little discharge from the clamped areas. Today I took off the jockstrap but will wear one at work, and felt the clamped sites and felt a lump on each side, which is an indication perhaps I was castrated now have to see of the testicles get soft or shrink or if it really worked. I can tell ya, that I will not repeate the same cycle I just went through, being a Former Marine I knew how to handle pain, and it seemed although it hurt like a mother fucker, my body was getting used to the clamped site and it was becoming less of discomfort for me. I suppose if it worked I will join the brother hood of Eunuch Men..and at 50 years old, castration is a personal choice, it should not be taken lightly, and you better know there is no turning back after your castrated! stevesd

stevesd (imported) · Post by **stevesd (imported)** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:04 pm

Update 02/22/12

Well I am not sure the Burdizzo actually worked. I am still wearing a jockstrap because of the pain, but I have felt the cords and they seem to be there so I am not sure yet if it worked. I know the Rancher Dude crushed the cord in the burdizzo for 3 minutes each side, and it hurt like a motherfuck, but my testicles are not dead and I think still have blood flow therefore I may not have taken. I suppose guys on here were right that it does not always work, we did it they way it's supposed to be clamp fast on the cord and hold it no more than 5 minutes. I am still recovering - I still believe in a bloodless method, but if it does not work, I will get lidicane shots and try again. I want an empty scrotum and I am going to get this done. stevesd

Littledick (imported) · Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:59 pm

Thanks for the update!

Please keep us informed one way or the other but I hope it did work for you!:)

Riven (imported) · Post by **Riven (imported)** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:23 pm

I would think it's a bit too early to know if it's worked. The chords were simply crushed (not severed or removed) so they will still be there when you feel for them, and although just after crushing they would still have a groove across them in the place where the jaws flattened them, the tissues would spring back to shape quite quickly after the clamp is released. What you are left with is the same kind of damage to the chord as you can see on the skin of the scrotum. ie. pretty bad damage. The question is: Will the damaged blood vessels repair themselves sufficiently to give the testes as good a blood supply as they need to function properly, or will their testosterone production be impaired? You say you were done with an 18" Burdizzo. That would have thick jaws and massive pressure, so it's very likely to have done permanent damage. Do you have any swelling or bruising? Do the crush lines on the skin look ok (ie. not opened up)?

SplitDik (imported) · Post by **SplitDik (imported)** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:02 am

It's tricky to do the burdizzo castration because the idea is to crush the blood supply in a permanent way, but in humans the blood supply is pretty flexible so can simply open up again. This is different than herd animals where their ancestors had rutting seasons (even though farm varieties often don't, most wild sheep, oxen, etc. do) and so their testicles are very different. You'll notice that burdizzo is only regularly used on herd animals ...

Anyway, there are various different scenarios that can occur after a human has burdizzo applied:

1) it could work. hope it does for you

2) the blood supply gets crushed but restores itself, or isn't fully disrupted. The testicles continue to function, or one testicle does, either fully or partially.

3) the blood supply gets severed. This can be bad because you'll bleed into your scrotum and it will fill up as a blood balloon. I've had this happen after other CBT and it isn't fun and will end up with you in a doctors office.

My case was probably #2. Definitely applied a big burdizzo, thought something good might have happened, but within a few weeks things seemed to be normal and now a few years later I have normal (actually high) T levels.

stevesd (imported) · Post by **stevesd (imported)** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:52 am

Update: The crushed sites in the skin are almost healed, within one week of the burdizzo I had lab tests and showed my Hormone levels decreased below the Normal range. i.e, (my lab tests showed 181 vice normal range is 246-800 for Normal Range with Kaiser. I will be starting on HRT Hormone patch soon. I am sastified with the clamping, the site where the clamp bit down on left a good mark, it has mostly healed but I believe dammage was done to the cords through the use of the tool. The cords can repair themselves in Humans yes, from what I heard. I had swelling for a few days afterwards of the clamping, I used frozen peas for the pain and the swelling. The crush sites did have some drainage from the clamping. stevesd

janekane (imported) · Post by **janekane (imported)** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:12 am

One theory as to how Burdizzo castration works, when it works is by creating sufficient pressure on the inner cells of the blood vessel linings as to create adhesions such that the cells stick together (cells normally stick together in humans or we would all be unicellular critters) and cells that do not stick together have effective surfactant coatings which keep cells from sticking together. Sufficient pressure for sufficient time can displace the "non-stick" surfactants and adhesions result which occlude the blood vessels, thereby accomplishing castration.

If the Burdizzo method results in occluding adhesions, and the adhesions subsequently break, thereby opening blood vessel lumens, then Burdizzo castration will tend to fail to be effective.

That being the best theory I have yet developed,and having been aware of the method and theory, led me to seek surgical castration, and I have serious doubts that what I did will be very achievable for many other people.

I hold that people do the best that is actually possible when in difficult situations.

Riven (imported) · Post by **Riven (imported)** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:01 am

Sounds like a good enough theory to me janekane. If you hold a flesh wound together (with pressure, sutures, etc.) for long enough, the tissues join. I tend to think that the main reason Burdizzo castrations fail is because people don't hold the clamp shut for long enough. But that doesn't explain why the thing works better on livestock than on humans. For instance, I don't think vets (or stockholders) hold the thing shut for ages when doing cattle. So there might be something in the assertions that the testicular blood vessels of sheep, bovines, horses, etc. are more brittle or somehow more easily damaged than those of humans, though I can't for the life of me think why that should be.

regreen13 (imported) · Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:28 am

stevesd (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:52 am Update: The crushed sites in the skin are almost healed, within one week of the burdizzo I had lab tests and showed my Hormone levels decreased below the Normal range. i.e, (my lab tests showed 181 vice normal range is 246-800 for Normal Range with Kaiser. I will be starting on HRT Hormone patch soon. I am sastified with the clamping, the site where the clamp bit down on left a good mark, it has mostly healed but I believe dammage was done to the cords through the use of the tool. The cords can repair themselves in Humans yes, from what I heard. I had swelling for a few days afterwards of the clamping, I used frozen peas for the pain and the swelling. The crush sites did have some drainage from the clamping. stevesd

Welcome to the brotherood. I was catrated surgically last Sept. sorry I ddn't do it sooner. Hope u continue to heal. I am not on HRT, but take calcium supplements.

Ralph

SD

janekane (imported) · Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:40 am

Riven (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:01 am Sounds like a good enough theory to me janekane. If you hold a flesh wound together (with pressure, sutures, etc.) for long enough, the tissues join. I tend to think that the main reason Burdizzo castrations fail is because people don't hold the clamp shut for long enough. But that doesn't explain why the thing works better on livestock than on humans. For instance, I don't think vets (or stockholders) hold the thing shut for ages when doing cattle. So there might be something in the assertions that the testicular blood vessels of sheep, bovines, horses, etc. are more brittle or somehow more easily damaged than those of humans, though I can't for the life of me think why that should be.

I can think of several explanations as to why Burdizzo castration works better on "non-human farm animals" than on "human farm animals." (From my biology perspective, all people are animals and not all animals are people.)

In comparing farm animals with humans, there may be a bunch of factors, which may, or may not, include, for the farm animals: thicker skin, thicker blood vessel walls, differences in the biological surfactants that keep cells from sticking together in situations where sticking together is biologiclly a bad idea. Quite a few factors could account for a Burdizzo working better with farm animals than with humans.

Blood vessels, human or other mammal, are required, to be functional, to maintain an open lumen; the alternative is one or another form of blocked blood vessel, as in the manner of a stroke.

I suppose it would be fair to propose that a Burdizzo clamp creates cell surface damage akin to the process of plaque formation in blood vessels when the clamping works effectively.

There might be an additional possibility, though I would not conjecture as to its likelihood. Arteries are relatively muscular, the muscles being ordinarly used to regulate blood flow distribution. These muscles, in some arteries, are strong enough to completely stop the flow of blood under some circumstances. Because of differences in nervous systems, in some farm animals, use of a Burdizzo might activate arterial shutdown, as another way of blocking testicular blood flow.

For my orchiectomy purposes, I had the biology background to be persuasive with a doctor, I also had as an additional persuader an Elastrator, to help the doctor think that, without help, I might be capable of a "do it myself" procedure.

But then, I made the decision, based on my own understanding of testosterone and what I expected it was doing and might have done had I kept it. Accordingly, to the extent that responsibility for a decision actually exists, I am totally responsible for the decision to get my orchiectomy.

Because I understand the decision I made and because I understand that there was essentially zero chance of anyone persuading me to not get the orchiectomy, I also understand why people who experience a need for an orchiectomy as much or more than I did will end up getting an orchiectomy or die in making the effort to get castrated.

I found myself in a decision without a viable alternative. Is that a decision? Or, is it a fact?

SplitDik (imported) · Post by **SplitDik (imported)** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:29 pm

Riven (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:01 am But that doesn't explain why the thing works better on livestock than on humans. For instance, I don't think vets (or stockholders) hold the thing shut for ages when doing cattle. So there might be something in the assertions that the testicular blood vessels of sheep, bovines, horses, etc. are more brittle or somehow more easily damaged than those of humans, though I can't for the life of me think why that should be.

Well, herd animals breed very differently. All wild herd animals have specific rutting seasons where they mate like crazy, but it only happens once or twice a year. So they spend most of the year producing no sperm, and then suddenly have to cum in dozens of females in a short time. Humans on the other hand have evolved such that the males are constantly ready to mate, and generally most young guys cum several times a day. So it seems to me that such big differences in mating habits and sperm formation could relate to very different blood supply arrangements. Also, humans being two-legged might have different ligaments supporting the testicles and those may interfere with the crushing action. Lastly, there is a difference in size with humans having relatively small testicles relative to most herd animals.

Anyway, it is quite possible that the testicles are as different as every other physical trait is between humans and herd animals.

stevesd (imported) · Post by **stevesd (imported)** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:16 pm

Update:

My testicles have started to get smaller, I am almost pain free, I can still see the clamp marks that are healed, but my T levels within one week went down to 181 ml in the blood. Normal Range in men my age is 300- 1000. Before Starting on Androgel my T levels were 80 ml. The Doc did not want me in T shots due to having PTSD/Depression and the high's and lows of T. He wanted to just keep me at an even keel and I strted to have errections in the Morn again, of course I was a morning person when it came to sex anyway, some guys are better than in the evening when having sex. My Burdizzo clamping was a two fold mission; (1) to get fully on HRT because for about 20 years I was having hot flashes and would not be treated as long as I has functioning testicles so to speak, and (2) I liked the idea of having an empty scrotum sack, this burdizzo was carefully studied. I must stress it hurts like a mother fucker, not the cord getting clamped it's self mind you, it's the clamping of the scrotum skin together! The clamp marks are almost healed and the tissues around the area, fatty tissues etc. Balls are smaller and when I get an errection they shrival up inside and I have an errection with no testicles hanging below. I only recommend the Burdizzo for one who is healthy, and one who performs the crushing of the cords and how to trap them in the clamp. You have to make sure you don't get blood cloths and take other precautions medically speaking to one's own health. I am pleased with the results, I would not go through it again, even being a Marine, but believe I got what I was looking for and will be happy with the final results of Eunuch life being on HRT. I know now that my T levels will be more stable and things will work out. there are many postings here on the Burdizzo, some working some not, some with painful experiences. If I could have had a MD remove my testicles I would have gone that route and still recommend that medically speaking. However, just like abortion, try selling to a Doctor why you need to be castrated or want to be castrated and they look at you being crazy and lock you up in the looney ward! A healthy discussion among men and the reasons for castration should be something in the 21st Century addressed in a mature, healthy way. Take Care Eunuch Brothers, stevesd

eunuch2001 (imported) · Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:13 pm

Hi Steve. I hope your Burdizzo experience proves to be successful. The Burdizzo was my favoured means of castration but it didn't work for me (twice) so I had to pursue another option. The guy that clamped me had never used a Burdizzo before whereas you had the good fortune to find a rancher who I guess has a lot of experience.

All good wishes.

stevesd (imported) · Post by **stevesd (imported)** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:52 am

Well after the first clamping without any pain meds, I do not think I could go through a second time. I think some dammage was done because the testicles have started to shrink in size, they don't hang as loose in the scrotum and my T hormone levels decreased after clamping. I am on Androgel for T hormones, because I want to stay masculine. It hurt like a mother fucker for sure..the Rancher who clamped me held the clamp for 3 minutes each side..I was done doggie style like a bull he clamped and now most everything is healed 3 weeks later. Well time will only tell but it was worth the experience at any rate, and as a former Marine I had to prove something to a Navy guy who got the burdizzo the same night as I. Steve San Diego

Littledick (imported) · Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:14 pm

Again I am pleased it seems to be working well for you and hope that continues for you.

Please keep us informed as thing continue to settle for you.

How is your mate going as well?

Congratulations again

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