Heterosexual Relationship After Castration (Marriage Etc)

[HappyEunuch (imported)]

The back story... I lost my testicles 2 plus years ago to tumors and have since been on synthetic testosterone. I have had 2 instances that I was not on HRT due to initially waiting to get into doctor to get HRT after surgery and letting myself heal and then again due to not having my medication and being off for about 2 weeks. Both times I noticed changes in my body almost immediately within 24 hrs.

The changes I have noticed include emotional, cognitive thought process, hot flashes, function of penis, and sexual desire, and a few others. To start it off my emotional changes I notice are I am more emotional whether it be any type of emotion from upset, to sad, to happy, etc. It does not matter what it is that is making me feel a certain way but it is more pronounced. Second, my cognitive thought process is different as to what bothers me and what does not bother me and how I go about my thoughts and actions. Hot flashes that everyone reports, penis function is limited as it does not get as hard as it use to or as hard as I can remember it did but it does get almost hard I guess you could say but not hard enough to make a difference. My sexual desire is no longer in the realm of penetration I actually start to view my penis as a part of my body that is used for urination not for procreation. I lost the desire to have my penis inside a vagina and when I do the sensation is not as intense although it feels good it is not as pronounced and not as good as to make me WANT it. But on the other hand I desire intimacy, cuddling, touching, admiring my spouses body, etc. I actually seem to be more aroused by watching her please herself than I am by actually pleasing her with my penis. a few others as stated may or may not be mentioned below further.

So the other night there was some discussion on religion and viewpoints of it. I have not always been open about anything. Even after my surgery I was still and am still partially closed minded thinking that balls make me a man and I have to play that role and not even be honest with myself. Well, that is not true let me make that clear. My wife and I were talking about our beliefs and etc and then it got into marriage and etc and blah blah blah. Well I was being open, sharing my thoughts, etc. I have been having issues with the response of my HRT and have learned it is no longer working. So I have stopped HRT.

Since stopping HRT over the past 3 days I have been having trouble being honest with myself. I have an issue with that. I want to do what I think people want to see or want to know. Well here recently I could care less. I was ashamed of not having balls, etc. I have been reading a lot of scholar research through google scholar around orchiectomy, castration, etc. and use to I would close down a page as soon as it mentioned something that I did not want to hear whether it applied to me or not. I have learned that everyone has different reactions and feelings and thoughts. I will touch more on the thinking later because that is the hardest part to deal with. I am hanging onto the past still and its making it harder actually for me to accept the present and the possible future.

I have been reading some of your posts and answers and etc along with others from around the internet. Everything from whether you are gay, transexual, m2f, cancer survivor, medically needed like myself or not. I have noticed a lot of similarities. Most I can relate to disregarding sexual orientation. But what I have had a hard time understanding is the limited research and also limited reaction and side effects from straight men M2E (Male to Eunuch) as it is called around the web. This would be the category I fall into. I was a male and now I am a Eunuch. I accept that. That wasn't hard. This is the first step in accepting myself in an open light. Thank you all for your posts because without them I would have no direction. I see it as a direction as everyone has a different exact path but the direction we are all going in is similar when it comes to the side effects post castration.

Terms that I have noticed used, Eunuch, Castration, Orchiectomy, m2f, tranny, transexual, etc. are all very valuable terms when searching for answers and not using them will leave you with less information. Trust me.

Now here at the Eunuch archive there are some very helpful folks and some very not helpful ones. I would assume some want no testicles as some sort of fantasy and I am fine with that although at one time I won't lie I did not understand it and thought it was somewhat different than the norm. Thank you all. I do though appreciate honest feedback not fantasy feedback. If you do not know please say you do not know not only in responses to this post but to any here at the site. There is a fiction section here for that. I am hoping to have some helpful feedback and constructive responses. Here is the situation now.

Hangup #1 - I was honest and told my wife that although I enjoy her sexually, what turns me on and what I like are no longer the same. I use to enjoy penetrating her and feeling her and now that is not as enjoyable as watching her pleased whether it is me doing it orally or physically with my hands, mouth, etc or if it is just her playing around by herself. It gives me a warm feeling under my stomach that actually is tingling and it feels good even after everything is no longer happening. Like an orgasm but an extended one that can last from 10 minutes if not longer. I told her I view my penis more as an outlet for urine than an outlet for sex. She actually said she understands and used other situations to relate and it kind of clicked. I was actually shocked because I was afraid I was going to be hurting her feelings. Although that is how it is I am still trying to figure out how my cognitive thought process has changed to view that part of my body differently.

Hangup #2 - We were discussing about how since my penis does not get hard and when it does it is minimal about how she would desire a hard penis at some point seeing as she is still in her 20's and young. We were both honest and the subject came up of another person (purely carnal) to serve those desires. I heard it, I thought about it, I even tried to be upset about it, but I was okay with it. I do not even have the jealousy that I was taught to be upset about this. I see it as her getting something she needs. I can even somewhat relate from memory the difference between masturbating with your hand is not the same as using a toy and that is not the same as actually having sex so I understand how that could be an urge that is natural in satisfying a primal desire and need. I can't say I would want her to expect me to settle for hand jobs and oral if something happened and she couldn't do it. I would honestly have to say at some point I would want to be inside a real vagina.

Now finding a woman's point of view on this matter is extremely difficult given the scenario and situation. This is not a fantasy or fetish. This is a medical issue that makes it to where I cannot get hard and get inside her and actually do not have the desire to although I do desire to see her happy and satisfied. When looking for the same scenario I have found only 3 different scenarios that involved the couples sex life after the husband became a eunuch and they all ended up in this "cuckold" as the term is used type relationship. I nor her like this title and term used to describe a relationship where the wife gets her D from someone else and the husband provides other needs from intimacy and love and kissing etc. Although it is very similar one is a choice due to situation and the other is a fantasy fetish.

Now here is the deal. I have no problem with this. I have no jealousy issue. I actually told her that I understood and I do and I even accept it if it were to happen 2 days from now or 2 years from now. All that I would want is to keep the intimacy. I want to be her cuddler, kisser, oral sex provider, and also her husband still. I only asked that she be on birth control and that it be someone regular not a random person each night. I even understand this could be something that could take place one time, once a month, once a day or once a year depending on when she had the desire and none of that bothers me. What is bothering me is that I can't feel differently about it. I told her that and said I think I should feel differently if I were still intact but I do not and I am trying to think differently as if I were intact but I can't. If that makes any sense. I am trying to think the way I would if I still had my nuts but I can't for the life of me even pretend I am thinking that way because my cognitive thought processes do not even agree with what I am trying to think.

So who has been through this? Who is married? Who has sex? Who has a sex relationship similar to the one described as above? Who has no sex? Who can tell me their story?

I look forward to hearing some of your responses.

Here is a link to a blog post by someone in a similar situation for your entertainment/research purposes I guess.

http://marriedtoaeunuch.blog.com/?p=1

[Hash (imported)]

Hi Happy Eunuch,

Welcome to eunuch-hood. All the feelings you're feeling I've felt and so have many other eunuchs. Not alll eunuchs experience these feelings and changes, but many do. I have, and still do. Once castrated you lose most of your testosterone production and if you don't supplement with some replacement form, then you lose most of your sexual desires or your sexual desires will change.

Like you, I no longer care about penetration and neither does my wife, we're in our mid-50's though. My penis has shrunk a lot (your's might too) and I seldom if ever get an erection anymore. I have actually developed a penectomy desire and one day will have it removed. It's strange how I moved from castration to penectomy, but that's what happened.

Sexually, after castration lot's of things can change or twist. You never know where you'll end up. Good luck and thanks for sharing.

[daifu-orchid (imported)]

Indeed. The world is so not the same after castration. I am happy and so is my wife (I think!). I too was castrated, but for non-malignant medical reasons, so TRT was a reasonable option. We are now in our mid and later 60's and naturally penetration is not so important or frequent. She is still the best cuddle in the world; what else do we get up to? TMI.

First thing, Ain't Mama happy, ain't nobody happy. How does she feel about that fine old dick, now of respectably high mileage? Both she and I having thoroughly and magnificently done the dick thing for many years, now entertain the idea of it gone, with some anticipation and excitement of what that next stage might bring. Why does losing nuts with or without T lead to these thoughts? -Good material perhaps for another thread.

So, in short, we're still sexually active, mutually engaged and yet that penis is less and less important than before, even maybe to be "retired". So, as distinct from those who choose not to participate sexually, we find that things are very much alive, with or without that dick.

Truly, there is life after dick. :)

[HappyEunuch (imported)]

Well I do not have a desire to lose my penis by any way shape or form. I didn't exactly want to lose my testicles. It was not a choice made for any reason outside of medical reason. But thank you for the replies. I just want to clarify for other responses that by me viewing my penis as a different type of "tool" is not any way implying I am not wanting it anymore. I am mostly speaking on my thought process and memory process of desires and thoughts before and after.

[jako9999 (imported)]

As the others have said the changes are many and I think we all end up the same, I enjoy the lack of desire there was no way my wife could have kept up with my needs even I couldn't keep up it was driving me mad I was having to relieve my self 4 times a day, now I take a very low dose of T more fore health reasons then any sort of desire. I feel a different and far more happier person these days in some ways I feel so many more people would benefit if they became eunuchs the world would be a calm happy place.

[unencumbered (imported)]

As the others have said the changes are many and I think we all end up the same, I enjoy the lack of desire there was no way my wife could have kept up with my needs... now I take a very low dose of T more fore health reasons then any sort of desire. I feel a different and far more happier person these days

The longer it's been since my castration, the less my interest in sex is. I not longer think about it anymore. I think that this is the essence of being a eunuch.

[erikboy (imported)]

It is again a case when simple testosterone replacement therapy won't give desired results. That should be expected and is not so uncommon, even doctors should know about that. I have read some study about various Testosterone derivatives and what is their function. But I can no longer remember what did what and where did I read it. It is worth to search for that study again. I will do that when I have time.

I wonder why medical people do not give much attention. It should be possible to inject a hormonal coctail of testosterone derivatives, that body is not able to synthesize anymore. Instead doctors give just mure testosterone which do not resolve the problem and creates additional unwanted effects.

[daifu-orchid (imported)]

Yes, the changes to a castrated husband are challenge enough for any marriage.

We have negotiated some difficult rapids, but have always decided against involving anyone outside the marriage to perform sexual duties.

Given the strange and powerful ways the brain is connected to a penis, we fear that the satisfying a physical want might lead to relational problems that neither sought in the first place. So, with the ups and downs, we have thought it wisest to keep our challenges of this changing life safely at home.

[Atreyu69 (imported)]

I know a couple who were in a situation very much like the one you find yourself in now. The husband was a new eunuch and his wife a very attractive 27 year old. With the husband's blessing his wife was able to fulfill her needs with an intact man once every two weeks. It seemed the perfect solution to the problem and for the first year and a half things were great.

For the man who served as the sex surrogate it was a dream come true. He didn't need to date the women or spend any money on her, he simply had the pleasure of meeting her physical needs while her husband meet the emotional and financial needs.

So what went wrong? For men penetrative sex is about more than just lust. It's about having power over another person and possessing that person. It's about claiming ownership. He became jealous of the relationship the lady had with her eunuch husband and he wanted her all to himself.

Although the sex was great the women, forced to choose, decided to stay with her eunuch husband. I know many people will have a hard time believing that any women could prefer a eunuch to a man but that's how it played out.

If you think it's difficult for a man to lose a women to another man well that's nothing compared to a man who's lost a women to a eunuch. It was ugly.

[daifu-orchid (imported)]

But my wife says that I'm the best in all the world!

;)

[nuderthannude (imported)]

Yes, the changes to a castrated husband are challenge enough for any marriage.

We have negotiated some difficult rapids, but have always decided against involving anyone outside the marriage to perform sexual duties.

Given the strange and powerful ways the brain is connected to a penis, we fear that the satisfying a physical want might lead to relational problems that neither sought in the first place. So, with the ups and downs, we have thought it wisest to keep our challenges of this changing life safely at home.

I have found that anyone I had interest in having sex with more than once was someone I was attracted to in other ways either physically or mentally. I think it would be difficult to have a long term sexual relationship without an emotional relationship forming. As that emotional relationship develops so does the need for the relationship to be monogamous. Eventually, the wife would more than likely have to choose. If the emotional feelings were as strong with each man the one that could provide the benefit of sexual satisfaction would be the more favorable choice.

[daifu-orchid (imported)]

Just so. Do be careful....

[Wifflebender (imported)]

The back story... I lost my testicles 2 plus years ago to tumors and have since been on synthetic testosterone. I have had 2 instances that I was not on HRT due to initially waiting to get into doctor to get HRT after surgery and letting myself heal and then again due to not having my medication and being off for about 2 weeks. Both times I noticed changes in my body almost immediately within 24 hrs.

The changes I have noticed include emotional, cognitive thought process, hot flashes, function of penis, and sexual desire, and a few others. To start it off my emotional changes I notice are I am more emotional whether it be any type of emotion from upset, to sad, to happy, etc. It does not matter what it is that is making me feel a certain way but it is more pronounced. Second, my cognitive thought process is different as to what bothers me and what does not bother me and how I go about my thoughts and actions. Hot flashes that everyone reports, penis function is limited as it does not get as hard as it use to or as hard as I can remember it did but it does get almost hard I guess you could say but not hard enough to make a difference. My sexual desire is no longer in the realm of penetration I actually start to view my penis as a part of my body that is used for urination not for procreation. I lost the desire to have my penis inside a vagina and when I do the sensation is not as intense although it feels good it is not as pronounced and not as good as to make me WANT it. But on the other hand I desire intimacy, cuddling, touching, admiring my spouses body, etc. I actually seem to be more aroused by watching her please herself than I am by actually pleasing her with my penis. a few others as stated may or may not be mentioned below further.

So the other night there was some discussion on religion and viewpoints of it. I have not always been open about anything. Even after my surgery I was still and am still partially closed minded thinking that balls make me a man and I have to play that role and not even be honest with myself. Well, that is not true let me make that clear. My wife and I were talking about our beliefs and etc and then it got into marriage and etc and blah blah blah. Well I was being open, sharing my thoughts, etc. I have been having issues with the response of my HRT and have learned it is no longer working. So I have stopped HRT.

Since stopping HRT over the past 3 days I have been having trouble being honest with myself. I have an issue with that. I want to do what I think people want to see or want to know. Well here recently I could care less. I was ashamed of not having balls, etc. I have been reading a lot of scholar research through google scholar around orchiectomy, castration, etc. and use to I would close down a page as soon as it mentioned something that I did not want to hear whether it applied to me or not. I have learned that everyone has different reactions and feelings and thoughts. I will touch more on the thinking later because that is the hardest part to deal with. I am hanging onto the past still and its making it harder actually for me to accept the present and the possible future.

I have been reading some of your posts and answers and etc along with others from around the internet. Everything from whether you are gay, transexual, m2f, cancer survivor, medically needed like myself or not. I have noticed a lot of similarities. Most I can relate to disregarding sexual orientation. But what I have had a hard time understanding is the limited research and also limited reaction and side effects from straight men M2E (Male to Eunuch) as it is called around the web. This would be the category I fall into. I was a male and now I am a Eunuch. I accept that. That wasn't hard. This is the first step in accepting myself in an open light. Thank you all for your posts because without them I would have no direction. I see it as a direction as everyone has a different exact path but the direction we are all going in is similar when it comes to the side effects post castration.

Terms that I have noticed used, Eunuch, Castration, Orchiectomy, m2f, tranny, transexual, etc. are all very valuable terms when searching for answers and not using them will leave you with less information. Trust me.

Now here at the Eunuch archive there are some very helpful folks and some very not helpful ones. I would assume some want no testicles as some sort of fantasy and I am fine with that although at one time I won't lie I did not understand it and thought it was somewhat different than the norm. Thank you all. I do though appreciate honest feedback not fantasy feedback. If you do not know please say you do not know not only in responses to this post but to any here at the site. There is a fiction section here for that. I am hoping to have some helpful feedback and constructive responses. Here is the situation now.

Hangup #1 - I was honest and told my wife that although I enjoy her sexually, what turns me on and what I like are no longer the same. I use to enjoy penetrating her and feeling her and now that is not as enjoyable as watching her pleased whether it is me doing it orally or physically with my hands, mouth, etc or if it is just her playing around by herself. It gives me a warm feeling under my stomach that actually is tingling and it feels good even after everything is no longer happening. Like an orgasm but an extended one that can last from 10 minutes if not longer. I told her I view my penis more as an outlet for urine than an outlet for sex. She actually said she understands and used other situations to relate and it kind of clicked. I was actually shocked because I was afraid I was going to be hurting her feelings. Although that is how it is I am still trying to figure out how my cognitive thought process has changed to view that part of my body differently.

Hangup #2 - We were discussing about how since my penis does not get hard and when it does it is minimal about how she would desire a hard penis at some point seeing as she is still in her 20's and young. We were both honest and the subject came up of another person (purely carnal) to serve those desires. I heard it, I thought about it, I even tried to be upset about it, but I was okay with it. I do not even have the jealousy that I was taught to be upset about this. I see it as her getting something she needs. I can even somewhat relate from memory the difference between masturbating with your hand is not the same as using a toy and that is not the same as actually having sex so I understand how that could be an urge that is natural in satisfying a primal desire and need. I can't say I would want her to expect me to settle for hand jobs and oral if something happened and she couldn't do it. I would honestly have to say at some point I would want to be inside a real vagina.

Now finding a woman's point of view on this matter is extremely difficult given the scenario and situation. This is not a fantasy or fetish. This is a medical issue that makes it to where I cannot get hard and get inside her and actually do not have the desire to although I do desire to see her happy and satisfied. When looking for the same scenario I have found only 3 different scenarios that involved the couples sex life after the husband became a eunuch and they all ended up in this "cuckold" as the term is used type relationship. I nor her like this title and term used to describe a relationship where the wife gets her D from someone else and the husband provides other needs from intimacy and love and kissing etc. Although it is very similar one is a choice due to situation and the other is a fantasy fetish.

Now here is the deal. I have no problem with this. I have no jealousy issue. I actually told her that I understood and I do and I even accept it if it were to happen 2 days from now or 2 years from now. All that I would want is to keep the intimacy. I want to be her cuddler, kisser, oral sex provider, and also her husband still. I only asked that she be on birth control and that it be someone regular not a random person each night. I even understand this could be something that could take place one time, once a month, once a day or once a year depending on when she had the desire and none of that bothers me. What is bothering me is that I can't feel differently about it. I told her that and said I think I should feel differently if I were still intact but I do not and I am trying to think differently as if I were intact but I can't. If that makes any sense. I am trying to think the way I would if I still had my nuts but I can't for the life of me even pretend I am thinking that way because my cognitive thought processes do not even agree with what I am trying to think.

So who has been through this? Who is married? Who has sex? Who has a sex relationship similar to the one described as above? Who has no sex? Who can tell me their story?

I look forward to hearing some of your responses.

Here is a link to a blog post by someone in a similar situation for your entertainment/research purposes I guess.

http://marriedtoaeunuch.blog.com/?p=1

Why don't you try Viagra or other erectile dysfunction drugs? Or perhaps you have but I think that could help with that issue

[erikboy (imported)]

Why don't you try Viagra or other erectile dysfunction drugs? Or perhaps you have but I think that could help with that issue

The problem isn't simply physical. There is a lack of desire and interest in having sexual intercourses. And having them with artificially rigid penis would not give any pleasure. No big difference if you did the same thing with a finger.

[Wifflebender (imported)]

The problem isn't simply physical. There is a lack of desire and interest in having sexual intercourses. And having them with artificially rigid penis would not give any pleasure. No big difference if you did the same thing with a finger.

While I suppose this is true if he is willing to give oral etc wouldn't that indicate that there is desire to please there?

[Mac (imported)]

It takes time buy you can adjust. My wife had a problem with an extremely dry vagina and lost her desire for penetration. Adjusting to the lack of sex was difficult at first. As time passed the tension lessened. It has now been about 5 years. We still sleep togetner nude and cuddle at night.

[HappyEunuch (imported)]

There is a desire for intimacy but no desire for intercourse. I will try to explain the changes in thought process. I still want to have the feeling of acceptance and have that bond. It is less about my satisfaction but more about hers rather than the other which use to be giving oral as a precursor to getting my penis inside her and feelings her. I use to feel everything like fireworks. I have taken cialis and it sometimes works for getting me an erection but i think the mind and body have to be in sync. My body is giving me an erection but my mind is not as interested. I have an interest in pleasing her and actually enjoy seeing her happy sexually and in everyday life. I use to get jealous and upset if i found out she was "rubbing one out" you could say because I felt that she should have told me and let me do that task. Now I do not get upset and it is actually a turn on. Now turn on is no longer used as a term that could double as hard on. Turn on is a feeling of sparks in my head and warmness in my stomach that feels good. Seeing her pleased in general is awesome.

I know she likes penetration but it is different for me because even if I am able to force myself to get an erection I only feel 3 things. Warm, Soft, and Wet. When the feeling use to be all over the place extreme sensations. Since it is not as good of a feelings (similar to putting my finger inside her) I lose the erection quickly. Orgasm that use to feel like fireworks to me now feels like a muscle contraction no different than flexing your bicep.

Not sure if any of this makes sense but that is the way it feels and the thought behind it for me.

[daifu-orchid (imported)]

Yes, it makes very clear sense, but is not good news to others who are maybe running out of time on TRT (never exactly the real stuff), and see that things work less easily over the months and years.

Fortunately, at home we have enjoyed many birthdays together, and have come to US from far away. This teaches us that there are many stages in life. I think the art is to enjoy the present, relish the next, while cheerfully trying not to revisit the past.

We know that there will come a time when the already less frequent and less important penetration will be only the past. We explore many thoughts for the future stage, including going off T or nulling. Whatever is decided we are sure that it has to be decided and done together, perhaps allowing the exploration of life in a new way for the next stage of the adventure. -But the adventure is still together.

[lister02 (imported)]

I am in my early 50s. I also have been taking TRT for 4 years now. I have increased the amount for the last year. It still does not feel nearly as good as it used to. I still can get hard and penetrate her but the pleasure is much less. As for her she would be glad if I didn't. Usually I have to thrust and thrust till I finally ejaculate which happens only about half the time. When I do come it is more of a relief then thrill. And when I don't come it feels lousy after and I regret having tried.

Is this what normally happens to guys on trt? What should I expect next?

[daifu-orchid (imported)]

I do hope pleasure isn't getting mixed up with duty? If she doesn't want it and it isn't fun, maybe don't do it. Drop the T and you probably won't miss it?

[lister02 (imported)]

Ahh but I want it to be fun.

[daifu-orchid (imported)]

Ouch!

-IMHO!

[Atreyu69 (imported)]

As I'm sure you know there are many different flavors of straight sex. If a women has all her other needs filled by her eunuch husband (love, understanding, friendship, support, tenderness) then seeing a fully functional male for penetration can be sort of like a benign or consensual rape. I know that's an oxymoron.

In the case I wrote about earlier in this string the women would go to her sessions with the man with a combination of anticipation, guilt and some amount of fear. To feel that she was at least someone faithful to her husband she'd claim to have changed her mind at the last moment and resist being entered. The man would then take her by force.

It was great sex and she loved it but there were aspects of S&M and bondage involved. I don't know if that's something you'd want for your wife.

[PrettyBoy (imported)]

I was castrated at 20yrs old, married at 22yrs old and still screw my wife royally at 28yrs old. I still get uber hard but I do use a cock ring and sometimes porn. The more fit you are, the stronger your sex drive will be. Also its about 3 times a week (she asks me for it on the nightly though). I have never used TRT either. Hope this helps!

[lister02 (imported)]

Prettyboy, why don't you do it nightly then. When I was your age I went in her twice almost everyday.